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其實採購法也是我要求的一個重要的項目啦"},{"start":652.924,"end":669.605,"text":"那比如說我們保護好的廠商不好的廠商我們也要處理啊比如說負責人換殼的問題這個我們本來這次採購法要修都會準備修進來嘛那包括就是政風主計加入審查的機制"},{"start":671.038,"end":691.425,"text":"那我聽說就是這個一家到三家三家改成一家這個有爭議這個大家再討論沒關係但是我聽說是說就這個案子所以整個採購法的修改都要再延後那這樣子我其他的部分可以先要求你我們要先處理"},{"start":693.983,"end":714.432,"text":"畢竟工程會提案經過行政院審議再送大院來審查所以我們依據大概各界意見在重整之後看年底之前能不能再重新依告年底之前你說一家跟三家這個會有定案我的意思是說現在一家跟三家有爭議嗎"},{"start":715.782,"end":739.131,"text":"那其他的我相信大部分都沒有爭議嗎還有些人有提出蠻多見解的所以我們必須重新再看過一次還有其他的條文也有意見我是這樣具體建議啦就是說有爭議的該暫緩的我們就暫緩嘛那如果可以先行的我們就先行我們盡速啦是不是主委可以用這個角度去思考"},{"start":740.273,"end":762.367,"text":"我們改很多條的啦 我也有提一個版本 我也改很多條的啦這個真的是對台灣採購的環境 要讓公務員有擔當 有政方主席照顧要讓好的商人不要受到這麼大的危困 我們要比較快速去解決他的問題"},{"start":763.499,"end":785.048,"text":"要不然給不好的村鄉你自己要挖坑我也不可以給你外面挖坑像這一些東西都是採購法一併思考的問題對於國家的公共工程才會有具體的幫助所以我是建議就是說速度還是要快那如果可以分開的話也可以考慮分開該可以做的就先做這樣好不好好 我們盡數來預告好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:39:05.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:39:07.319000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T11:39:08.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:39:09.100000+08:00","text":"有請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:39:15.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:39:16.366000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:39:16.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:39:16.867000+08:00","text":"主委辛苦了。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:39:17.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:39:35.518000+08:00","text":"剛聽了陳委員在講的，我也是有感而發，習近平對李克強的態度、對胡錦濤的態度，現在張又俠又不知道還在不在，這種人真的是無可相信啦！","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:39:36.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:39:48.524000+08:00","text":"所以惠臺措施，其實是今天給，明天就禁掉，這個都是對臺灣「養、套、殺」的一貫伎倆，主委還是要三思啦！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:39:52.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:40:06.266000+08:00","text":"要怎麼樣跟那邊交流，尤其是金門、馬祖又鄰近嘛，他們都會用很多利誘，去壞了我們的立場，所以該注意的還是要注意。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:40:07.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:40:12.487000+08:00","text":"這部分剛聽了覺得主委很辛苦，所以特地跟你再慰問一下。謝謝。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:40:16.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:40:32.227000+08:00","text":"事實上，世界變局真的很大，中東戰火──伊朗戰爭導致現在石油的問題，及現在很多工程界出現瀝青的問題，我們可以撐到什麼時候？","quality":0.764},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:40:34.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:40:38.569000+08:00","text":"瀝青目前供應已經逐步改善，是沒有問題的。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:40:39.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:40:51.877000+08:00","text":"供應商就是台灣中油跟台塑化的子公司中塑，還有4.5萬噸的庫存。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:40:53.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:41:10.960000+08:00","text":"台塑化也調整生產線，生產柏油的比例提高，減少供應國外的契約，優先供應國內，這是卓院長在院會明確要求的，台塑化目前也積極做到。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:41:13.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:41:29.637000+08:00","text":"中油的生產線本來就是在生產柏油，但是因為原油要從中東來，中油也在市場上購買現貨，他們積極在趕辦採購，這些加起來對柏油的供應不會有問題。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:41:29.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:41:30.718000+08:00","text":"量的供應……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:41:30.718000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:41:31.718000+08:00","text":"量的供應不會有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:41:31.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:41:46.541000+08:00","text":"希望主委、工程會注意，之前你們說大概到6月沒問題，那6月之後、7月、8月，還是中東有什麼變化，有時候也很難100%控制啦。是。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:41:47.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:42:02.566000+08:00","text":"我要跟主委反映的是，像高雄有很多建設都需要用到瀝青，科技園區聯外道路、高雄機場跑道北移、興建國道七號、國道一號拓寬、高屏二快新建等等，就有很多嘛。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:42:04.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:42:13.429000+08:00","text":"我在思考其實還包括採購法，就是說為什麼現在的工程界好像很多人越來越不喜歡做公共工程？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:42:15.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:42:23.517000+08:00","text":"公共工程的彈性或者是避免公務員有圖利的狀況，這都要非常的注意啦。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:42:24.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:43:00.825000+08:00","text":"所以像履約彈性的時間，像國際變化導致現在供貨比較短缺，現在我有可能因此延宕到時間，或者是增加到成本，這在一開始簽約的時候，沒有人會想到國際變化這麼大，在履約有爭議的時候，工程單位大概都沒有人敢自己做決定，最後都會說請工程會調解。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:43:03.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:43:21.638000+08:00","text":"像國際局勢變化產生不管是原料成本增加，或者是原料供應延宕，影響到本來契約所訂定的條件，這個部分如果是因為國際變化，工程會是不是有一個副案？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:43:22.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:43:23.159000+08:00","text":"萬一遇到這種情況的話應該要怎麼處理？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:43:26.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:43:52.784000+08:00","text":"工程會針對這件事有做過公告了，關於成本增加、工期必須延長，都主張可以做物調，而工程延期可以雙方合意來做工期展延，如果說雙方有意見可以到工程會來諮詢，工程會也是採取這樣的態度，應該很快可以解決。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:43:52.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:44:04.187000+08:00","text":"如果合約裡面沒有明確規定，也可以主張情勢變更，工程會很明確、正面的態度就是可以物調、工期可以展延。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:44:05.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:44:36.214000+08:00","text":"我現在有一個比較大項的問題，需要工程會統一去思考，在所有的國家公共工程裡面，有一些是不好的廠商，有一些是少部分會刁難的公務員，我們相信公務員90%以上都是好的，但是有少數的小鬼難纏，包括我以前當鳳山市長的時候，其實有個經驗可以讓主委參考。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:44:37.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:45:02.179000+08:00","text":"我那時候剛當，有一些採購還不太清楚，我會覺得設計、施工跟監造分開，可能比較可以防弊，但是後來發現有一家廠商，他專門低價搶標監造，這樣他就可以去跟施工單位要有的沒有的，不順的話就刁難。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:45:06.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:45:27.825000+08:00","text":"當好的廠商遇到這種不好的狀況，不管是公部門的小鬼或者是其他一般業界的小鬼，遇到這種情況，事實上有很多在地方基層都卡住、有很多求助無門，所以有一些會到我們這裡來。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:45:29.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:45:37.389000+08:00","text":"但事實上，這種狀況，不管大件的、小件的都可以拜託工程會處理嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:45:37.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:45:41.056000+08:00","text":"如果是履約爭議可以到工程會來申訴、調解。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員為祥","start":"2026-04-13T11:45:42.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:45:59.212000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，調解案件因為牽涉到六都也有申訴，它有一個類似管轄的分配，所以調解要看管轄到底是屬於六都的申訴還是中央，如果沒有的話就通通到中央來……","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:00.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:01.534000+08:00","text":"現在就是時間啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:03.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:03.735000+08:00","text":"就是效率。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:04.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:23.486000+08:00","text":"有些公司被卡到公司倒閉，這個部分我們聽起來覺得情何以堪，我們如何在他真的受到委屈後能夠把速度加快？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員為祥","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:24.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:31.988000+08:00","text":"第一個，工程會立場是認為你除了不能圖利廠商，你也不能刁難，不管是……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:33.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:33.930000+08:00","text":"是啊，這個誰決定？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:34.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:36.192000+08:00","text":"到最後還是工程會決定。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:36.192000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:37.192000+08:00","text":"你如果是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員為祥","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:36.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:40.836000+08:00","text":"我們是有訂採購人員倫理規則，但是執行在機關執行。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:40.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:51.265000+08:00","text":"就是說有一些比較有擔當的行政部門，如果專業夠、擔當夠，判斷是監造刁難，他可能就可以處理了。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:52.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:54.868000+08:00","text":"但是像這麼有擔當的公務員不好找……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員為祥","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:56.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:46:58.831000+08:00","text":"因為他會怕被人家講說他圖利。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:46:59.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:47:06.397000+08:00","text":"對，他除非覺得我非常有擔當，而且我非常專業，我認為這個部分其實人家真的沒問題，你是刁人家。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:47:07.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:47:13.262000+08:00","text":"其實我看過少數這種有擔當的公務員，但是畢竟不多。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:47:15.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:47:25.605000+08:00","text":"在臺灣各縣市這種小案子非常多，工程會能不能想個辦法去把它的速度加快？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員為祥","start":"2026-04-13T11:47:29.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:47:36.313000+08:00","text":"第一個當然是一開始抓的履約期限要合理，坦白講有些一開始就不合理了……","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:47:36.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:47:40.256000+08:00","text":"沒關係，因為時間的關係，也不要拖太久。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:47:40.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:48:01.782000+08:00","text":"原則上這是個問題，我請工程會思考，這個問題有時到最後都是一直拖時間，拖到最後公司倒閉了，沒有倒閉也傷了七、八分，有這種狀況你們有沒有辦法把速度加快？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:48:02.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:48:11.893000+08:00","text":"有一種狀況，明明是機關權責可以決定的事情，他還是會把案子送到工程會來……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:48:11.893000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:48:12.893000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:48:11.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:48:32.150000+08:00","text":"希望工程會去背書，所以案件非常多，自然人力非常缺乏，我們申訴調解的人力非常缺乏，每個月平均有80件，你去檢視會發現，有的機關就可以自己行政決定的、首長就可以決定了……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:48:32.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:48:33.150000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:48:32.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:48:33.771000+08:00","text":"有的首長就不決定。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:48:36.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:48:53.371000+08:00","text":"我們都瞭解，公務員很怕被卡到圖利，叫他有擔當，要求他100%有擔當，這就牽涉到我之前有跟主委質詢過，檢察官濫訴造成公務員不敢勇於任事。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:48:56.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:49:10.940000+08:00","text":"他很公正，但是人家還是去檢舉，檢察官還是去調查，結果還是被起訴的時候，他就覺得說，我這麼有正義感、這麼有擔當，也是受到很大的委屈。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:49:12.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:49:26.022000+08:00","text":"所以我為什麼說希望政風、主計能夠加入多一點最有利標，也謝謝工程會，事實上我大概要求五年以上了，這五年來從30%到50%，現在應該快50%了？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:49:31.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:49:32.596000+08:00","text":"超過50%了，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主任委員為祥","start":"2026-04-13T11:49:32.596000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:49:33.596000+08:00","text":"超過了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:49:32.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:49:38.182000+08:00","text":"所以這都是工程會努力的成果，當然要感謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:49:38.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:08.585000+08:00","text":"但是我的意思是說，從整個採購法，事實上我到交通委員會，除了其他的項目之外，其實採購法也是我要求的一個重要項目，我們保護好的廠商，不好的廠商我們也要處理，比如說，負責人換殼的問題，原本這次採購法要修，這些都會準備修進來，包括政風、主計加入審查的機制。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:11.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:30.405000+08:00","text":"我聽說三家改成一家的部分有爭議，大家再討論沒關係，但是我聽說因為這個案子，所以整個採購法的修改都要再延後，這樣的話，其他的部分有沒有辦法先處理？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:32.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:45.148000+08:00","text":"畢竟工程會提案還要經過行政院審議，再送大院來審查，所以我們依據各界意見再重整之後，看年底之前能不能再重新預告。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:46.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:49.330000+08:00","text":"年底之前，你說一家跟三家這件事會有定案？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:49.330000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:50.450000+08:00","text":"不是，是整個採購法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:50.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:50:58.103000+08:00","text":"我的意思是現在一家跟三家有爭議，其他的我相信大部分都沒有爭議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:50:58.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:05.686000+08:00","text":"有些人提出蠻多見解的，所以我們必須重新再看過一次，還有其他的條文也有意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:05.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:14.789000+08:00","text":"我具體建議，有爭議、該暫緩的，我們就暫緩；如果可以先行的，我們就先行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:15.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:15.530000+08:00","text":"好，我們儘速。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:16.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:18.111000+08:00","text":"主委是不是可以用這個角度去思考？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:19.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:29.620000+08:00","text":"我們改很多條，我也有提一個版本也改很多條，但這個真的對臺灣採購的環境要怎麼讓公務員有擔當？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:29.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:41.367000+08:00","text":"有政風、主計幫忙看；要怎麼讓好的廠商不要受到這麼大的委屈，我們要怎麼比較快速去解決他的問題？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:42.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:51:46+08:00","text":"要怎麼讓不好的廠商要換殼，我也不能讓你隨便換殼。","quality":0.409},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:51:48.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:52:03.827000+08:00","text":"這些東西都是採購法要一併思考的問題，對於國家的公共工程才會有具體的幫助，所以我建議速度還是要快，如果可以分開的話，也可以考慮分開，可以做的就先做，好不好？","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-13T11:52:03.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:52:03.968000+08:00","text":"好，我們儘速預告啦！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-13T11:52:04.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T11:52:04.048000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T11:52:04.548000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:52:07.405143+08:00","text":"謝謝許智傑委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T11:52:07.705143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T11:52:11.133714+08:00","text":"接下來有請鍾佳濱委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}