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海上的船隻的安全跟查緝那這個是海巡署的工作那本席今天看到海巡署有提到這個要科證規劃籌建最先進雷達設備並導入AI智能自動判讀功能提升對小型目標之偵測跟辨識效能外也積極的規劃籌建紅外線影像系統及環島智慧型暗記監控系統"},{"start":366.32,"end":383.672,"text":"那署長從2024年中國小型船隻入侵台灣本島以來已經快兩年那這段時間海巡署對於我們海洋防衛的弱點補強有哪些具體的成效還有扯棄的這個成效有哪些海巡署要花多久的時間可以建置完善我國海洋跟海岸巡邏員工作簡單回答"},{"start":384.593,"end":401.072,"text":"公務員報告那這種小案子發生以後我們除了在勤務上精進以外我們對雷達操作人員包括運用這些科技設備的人員我們有做一系列不斷的教育訓練那不斷的精進這些徵收技能另外對於雷達的運用"},{"start":402.854,"end":427.173,"text":"就現有的部分我們是持續在做優化那未來在那個國土防衛戰線的預算裡面就有編列我們這些優化的這些更高規格的這個雷達更高規格的紅外線跟更高規格的岸際監控系統那我們會在116年之前會全部建置完畢也就是目前對於徵收的效能會大幅度的這個優化"},{"start":428.154,"end":456.428,"text":"那我想未來對於這個小軍目標創案的問題我們會這一個會大幅度的減少讓海域更安全謝謝署長 署長 我要分析一下 請問跟海軍的工作不同海軍他負責的是海上的作戰海巡是負責海域的執法那千萬不要因為這些防衛的漏洞影響到我國海上的安全跟漁民的權益那接下來我想要請教我們次長次長 我們在什麼樣的情況之下會打開AIS的訊號"},{"start":458.925,"end":473.053,"text":"市長簡單說明就好您是說什麼船隻在什麼情況之下軍艦會打開AIS的訊號我們請海軍常務長回答我也好我是海軍常務長軍艦基本上我們AIS是不開啟的不開啟他有沒有開啟的時候什麼情況他都不會開啟嗎不會"},{"start":485.03,"end":508.448,"text":"謝謝市長,我想軍艦的執行非常的特殊,因為你不開啟的原因是怕會洩漏行蹤,這是國防安全的問題,那你不開的話,你要怎麼知道這是哪一種軍艦?我們是不是只有透過無人機或者是衛星混合合成的孔鏡雷達影像主動來證收,然後使用的是這樣子嗎?會不會這是手段之一?"},{"start":509.249,"end":523.611,"text":"那看起來我們手段其實也是很有限嘛就在這個幾個方法對不對我們有很多多元的方法我們可以掌握解放軍的建設OK 謝謝三豐今天你報告公布有提到跟海巡署執行這個偵查有關的這個資料的互通那但共軍"},{"start":524.833,"end":540.939,"text":"海上的這個軍艦偵查應該是海軍負責吧那所以海委會主委管主委他PO這個海面態勢圖應該是國防部提供的那雖說過去我們會隱藏一些敏感的資料避免被共軍掌握到我國的偵訪的方式但"},{"start":542.366,"end":570.2,"text":"共軍他仍然可以透過我國既有的偵查武器去推敲你是怎麼進行那來進行這個反偵測的動作那國防部2024年其實我們2024年的時候有有一個改變中共解放軍進入台海周邊空域活動示意圖的公布的圖紙就是把那個共軍我們查到共軍的機型啊飛行的軌跡啊船艦的資料都給他去除那甚至在我們這個相關的影像上在進行重置目的是為什麼就是"},{"start":570.74,"end":589.329,"text":"我們要避免共軍會從這些資料裡面探測出我軍可能的偵測方式嘛那從中間獲得這個武器的參數的資料來演算出我反反制你的方法嘛是這樣子對不對 是這樣子沒錯對不對是不是這個意思 是 人人回答委員好 我是情報次長次長是不是這樣子剛剛您所講的"},{"start":591.906,"end":605.556,"text":"大部分都是對的我們要做這些示意的圖主要的目的是一方面要滿足民眾知的權利另外一方面我們還是要兼顧到勤資的來源還有一些徵收的手段的機密性"},{"start":607.057,"end":634.015,"text":"其實本席非常支持適當的公佈我國周邊沿海空域的偵查資料我們同時也要恪恪我們要恪指周邊的國家你不要做違法的事情但是是不是要需要到詳細到連船艦的號碼選號都公佈我覺得這個都可以再斟酌啦應該是採取風險較小的方式來進行會比較好畢竟現在電子偵查的技術日新月異如果你相關的武器參數被敵軍掌握"},{"start":637.377,"end":665.097,"text":"反制的這個措施我覺得這對台灣的國防也不是好事情那這方面我是也請國安局國防部跟海巡署務必也做好這相關的這些防範措施我們不要因為這個急功耗力影響事大讓台灣安全產生黑洞嘛那另外最後我利用一點時間就是要跟海巡署反映一件事情就是蘇長台東有漁民來跟本席反映說有外縣市搭載大陸漁工的漁船在台東台東12海里內的範圍來捕魚"},{"start":666.678,"end":683.149,"text":"那這個部分我們也要請海巡署同仁多加留意然後查證倘若有這樣的事情也請海巡單位務必嚴格的查緝這些不肖的船隻然後維護這些守法於民的這些權益好 沒問題 我們會查證好 謝謝署長 謝謝謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:53:35.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:53:35.423000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:53:39.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:53:43.509000+08:00","text":"我想沒有人喜歡戰爭，本席也希望世界和平，兩岸友好共存。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:53:44.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:54:12.789000+08:00","text":"這次鄭習會就是藉由意見交流創造兩岸友好共融的契機，中國大陸同時也公布對臺灣的十項利多，例如恢復上海、福建自由行、食品輸入的解禁等等這些措施，執政黨一直說，這是國民黨跟共產黨的政治交易，本席再強調，其實沒有什麼叫政治交易，我們只是打開交流的大門，現在大門打開了，中共也釋出一些善意，至於後續要怎麼做，還是要回歸到兩岸的官方去談。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:54:13.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:54:24.493000+08:00","text":"昨天有媒體採訪一名臺東的青農對這次鄭習會的看法，他的回答很簡單，他說他只想要養家餬口，哪裡有市場，就把農產品往那裡賣，他們不在乎政治的議題。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:54:24.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:54:30.874000+08:00","text":"所以希望陸委會跟我們相關單位也能夠好好地跟中共大陸來談，解決臺東農產品銷售的問題，讓農民可以活下去。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:54:31.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:54:36.375000+08:00","text":"我回到今天質詢的議題，有請國安局局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T12:54:36.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:54:38.136000+08:00","text":"請國安局蔡局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T12:54:43.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:54:44.119000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，黃委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:54:44.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:54:45.119000+08:00","text":"局長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:54:45.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:54:59.343000+08:00","text":"局長，上個禮拜有跟您討論4月10日美伊停火談判的情況，要求國安局一定要確實掌握各項變數，提供相關訊息給各單位提早準備。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:54:59.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:55:20.140000+08:00","text":"很不幸，美伊談判破局，川普在12號表示要封鎖荷姆茲海峽，美軍也宣布美東時間13號10點要針對進出伊朗港口所有海上交通實施封鎖，但不阻礙往返非伊朗港口船隻通過荷姆茲海峽的航行自由。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:55:21.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:55:26.926000+08:00","text":"雖然美軍表示不會影響他國船隻航行，但是不是會影響石油運輸還有待觀察。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:55:27.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:55:42.839000+08:00","text":"如果戰爭真的一直持續下去，絕對會對我國經濟帶來負面影響，請國安局也務必要確實掌握各項情資，讓行政院還有相關各部會能夠提早因應，以維護我國經濟、能源安全。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T12:55:43.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:55:46.824000+08:00","text":"有，這部分上次跟委員交換意見時，委員有特別提醒。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T12:55:47.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:55:56.475000+08:00","text":"我也跟委員說明，事實上，過去這一段時間從2月28號美伊戰爭之後，我們跟國際情報交流的重點之一就是美伊戰爭情勢的變化。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T12:55:58.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:56:20.325000+08:00","text":"我上禮拜跟委員還有媒體說明也提到，美國政府現在的策略一方面是極限施壓，調度軍力對伊朗施加壓力，也跟以色列方面做非常縝密軍事行動協調；另一方面就是透過巴基斯坦進行外交磋商，所以才會有委員所看到日前三方的談判過程。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T12:56:21.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:03.032000+08:00","text":"不過我覺得雙方事實上對於談判還是都蠻積極投入的，我會這樣說明是因為美方派出來的談判團隊陣容非常堅強、位階很高，由副總統帶隊，伊朗方面也是，美方有快兩、三百人的談判團隊，伊朗則有七十幾人的談判團隊，由他們的國會議長帶外交部部長、央行行長，代表雙方很願意進行討論，只是雙方的基本立場跟關切目前還沒有辦法完全聚焦，包括伊朗能不能生產濃縮鈾這些原料，以及荷姆茲海峽後續是不是要開放、可不可以收取通行費等問題，也都還沒有具體結論。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:03.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:07.134000+08:00","text":"另外，對於伊朗要解除國際制裁，美方也不願意在這個階段讓步。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:09.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:22.807000+08:00","text":"要跟委員說明是，它還是在一個過程當中，我們後續再看雙方磋商的變化以及美國在談判可能陷入僵局之下，他的極限施壓手段有沒有迫使伊朗進一步妥協。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:23.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:26.009000+08:00","text":"謝謝局長非常詳細的說明，希望你們持續保持關注。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:26.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:27.170000+08:00","text":"會，委員上次有提醒。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:27.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:28.211000+08:00","text":"謝謝局長，請局長休息。謝謝。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:28.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:32.515000+08:00","text":"接下來請國防部跟海委會一起上來備詢。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:34.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:35.497000+08:00","text":"請國防部副部長，還有海委會副主委。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:35.497000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:39.647000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:39.647000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:43.797000+08:00","text":"副部長好、署長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:43.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:51.166000+08:00","text":"9號跟10號金門沿海分別傳出中國籍漁船入侵的消息，這兩個案件都是由海巡署來查緝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:52.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:55.711000+08:00","text":"想先請教副主委兼海巡署署長，海巡署目前查處的情況如何？","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:56.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:57:57.013000+08:00","text":"請簡短說明就好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T12:57:58.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:58:05.194000+08:00","text":"那艘船是因為海象不好、沒有繫緊，然後漂流到岸際。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T12:58:05.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:58:14.766000+08:00","text":"目前這個案子已經處理好了，對方放棄那艘船，由我們用廢棄物的方法來處理。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:58:16.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:58:37.472000+08:00","text":"中國小型船隻或者漁船入侵臺灣海域已經不是單一事件，過去也發生過，像2025年、2024年個別發生中國人士搭乘橡皮艇從觀音海水浴場上岸，以及中國人民駕駛小艇從福州進入淡水河，一直到它停靠在淡水碼頭才被民眾舉報。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:58:37.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:59:06.488000+08:00","text":"這些案件凸顯出我國針對小型漁船還有偵蒐的盲點，尤其是小型船隻會藉由反雷達面積太小、電磁波反射訊號太弱以及海浪的干擾等等避開被發現，不容易被我國雷達偵測到，也正是因為這樣能穿過我國海岸防線，不僅僅影響到我國海岸的安全，更是侵害到我國的漁權。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:59:06.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:59:20.575000+08:00","text":"國安局今天的報告也有指出這個弱點，就是針對這些必須建置科技化、系統化的監偵系統，也針對海上漁權、海上船隻安全、查緝，而這個是海巡署的工作。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:59:20.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:59:39.320000+08:00","text":"本席今天看到海巡署有提到刻正規劃籌建最先進雷達設備，並導入AI智能自動判讀功能，提升對小型目標之偵測跟辨識效能外，也積極規劃籌建紅外線影像系統及環島智慧型岸際監控系統。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:59:41.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:59:49.786000+08:00","text":"從2024年中國小型船隻入侵臺灣本島以來，已經快兩年，這段時間海巡署對於海洋防衛的弱點補強有哪些具體成效？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:59:50.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:59:52.408000+08:00","text":"還有查緝的成效有哪些？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:59:52.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:59:57.231000+08:00","text":"海巡署要花多久的時間可以建置完善我國海洋跟海岸巡防工作？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T12:59:57.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T12:59:57.652000+08:00","text":"簡單回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T12:59:59.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:00:13.871000+08:00","text":"跟各位委員報告，自從這種小案子發生以後，除了在勤務上精進以外，對於雷達操作人員，包括運用這些科技設備的人員，我們也做了一系列不斷的教育訓練，不斷的精進這些偵搜技能。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T13:00:14.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:00:49.498000+08:00","text":"另外對於雷達的應用，就現有的部分，我們是持續在優化，未來在國土防衛韌性的預算裡面就有編列優化這些更高規格的雷達、更高規格的紅外線跟更高規格的岸際監控系統，我們會在116年之前全部建置完畢，也就是大幅度優化目前偵搜的效能，我想未來小型目標衝岸的問題會大幅度的減少，讓海域更安全。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:00:50.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:00:50.338000+08:00","text":"謝謝署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:00:50.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:03.925000+08:00","text":"署長，本席要提醒一下，你們跟海軍的工作不一樣，海軍負責的是海上的作戰，海巡是負責海域的執法，千萬不要因為這些防衛的漏洞，影響到我國海上的安全跟漁民的權益。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:05.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:10.428000+08:00","text":"接下來我想要請教次長，我們在什麼樣的情況之下會打開AIS的訊號？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:13.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:13.605000+08:00","text":"次長簡單說明就好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:14.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:16.787000+08:00","text":"您是說什麼船隻？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:16.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:19.509000+08:00","text":"在什麼情況之下，軍艦會打開AIS的訊號？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:19.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:20.149000+08:00","text":"我請海軍參謀長回答。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"朱參謀長惠民","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:22.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:23.171000+08:00","text":"委員好，我是海軍參謀長。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"朱參謀長惠民","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:23.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:25.753000+08:00","text":"軍艦基本上AIS是不開啟的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:25.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:25.953000+08:00","text":"不開啟？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱參謀長惠民","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:25.953000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:26.953000+08:00","text":"不開啟。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:26.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:26.593000+08:00","text":"它有沒有開啟的時候？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:26.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:27.053000+08:00","text":"什麼情況它都不會開啟嗎？不會。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:39.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:40.731000+08:00","text":"謝謝參謀長。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:41.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:01:53.301000+08:00","text":"次長，軍艦的執勤非常的特殊，不開啟的原因是因為怕會洩漏行蹤，這是國防安全的問題，但你不開的話，你要怎麼知道這是哪一種軍艦？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:01:53.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:02:01.728000+08:00","text":"我們是不是只有透過無人機或是衛星混合合成的孔徑雷達影像主動來偵搜，是這樣子嘛，對不對？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"朱參謀長惠民","start":"2026-04-13T13:02:01.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:02:02.428000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這是手段之一。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:02:03.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:02:07.275000+08:00","text":"看起來我們的手段也很有限，大概就這幾個方法，對不對？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"朱參謀長惠民","start":"2026-04-13T13:02:07.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:02:09.499000+08:00","text":"我們有很多多元的方法可以掌握解放軍的艦艇。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:02:09.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:02:10.400000+08:00","text":"OK，謝謝參謀長。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:02:10.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:02:43.730000+08:00","text":"今天國防部在報告中有提到跟海巡署執行偵查有關的資料互通，但共軍海上的軍艦偵查應該是海軍負責，所以海委會管主委po這個海面態勢圖，應該是國防部提供的，所以過去我們會隱藏一些敏感的資料，避免被共軍掌握到我國偵防的方式，但共軍仍然可以透過我國既有的偵查武器去推敲你是怎麼進行，來進行反偵測的動作。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:02:44.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:03:19.007000+08:00","text":"國防部2024年公布了改變中共解放軍進入臺海周邊空域活動示意圖的圖資，就是把我們查到的共軍機型、飛行軌跡、船艦的資料都去除，甚至在相關的影像上再進行重製，目的就是要避免共軍會從這些資料裡面探測出我軍可能的偵搜方式，從中間獲得武器的參數資料，來演算出反制的方法，是這樣沒錯，對不對？","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"謝次長日升","start":"2026-04-13T13:03:21.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:03:22.288000+08:00","text":"委員好，我是情報次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝次長日升","start":"2026-04-13T13:03:23.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:03:39.536000+08:00","text":"剛剛您所講的大部分都是對的，我們要做這些示意圖，主要目的是一方面要滿足民眾知的權利，另外一方面我們還是要兼顧到情資的來源，還有一些偵搜手段的機敏性。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:03:41.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:04:01.331000+08:00","text":"是，本席是支持適當的公布我國周邊沿海空域的偵查資料，我們同時也要恫嚇、嚇阻周邊國家不要做違法的事情，但是是不是需要詳細到連船艦的號碼都公布，我覺得這個都可以再斟酌，應該是採取風險較小的方式來進行會比較好。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:04:01.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:04:20.684000+08:00","text":"畢竟現在電子偵查的技術日新月異，如果相關的武器參數被敵軍掌握，衍生出他反制的措施，我覺得對臺灣的國防也不是好事情，這方面是不是也請國安局、國防部跟海巡署務必做好相關的防範措施？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:04:21.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:04:25.407000+08:00","text":"我們不要因為急功好利因小失大，讓臺海安全產生黑洞。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:04:26.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:04:53.326000+08:00","text":"最後，我利用一點時間跟海巡署反映一件事情，就是臺東有漁民跟本席反映，有外縣市搭載大陸漁工的漁船在臺東12浬內的範圍來捕魚，這個部分也要請海巡署同仁多加留意，然後查證，倘若有這樣的事情，也請海巡單位務必嚴格查緝這些不肖船隻，維護守法漁民的權益。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-13T13:04:55.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:04:56.608000+08:00","text":"沒問題，我們會查證。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-13T13:04:56.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:04:57.129000+08:00","text":"謝謝副主委，謝謝主席。謝謝。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T13:04:57.629000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T13:05:03.057571+08:00","text":"接下來請賴士葆委員，賴士葆、賴士葆委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T13:05:03.357571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T13:05:06.214714+08:00","text":"請鍾佳濱委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}