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還是繼續請教您因為這個所謂的十個措施裡面有一樣是所謂的共用廈門的這個祥安的機場我想請問一下這個局長這個所謂共用這個廈門的機場它的意義是什麼"},{"start":315.53,"end":329.389,"text":"這部分事實上中共官方在跟我們外離島的相關的互動過程當中都有在宣傳這一點也就是祥安機場因為今年年底可能要完成它的興建那中共提出來的一個"},{"start":330.37,"end":348.722,"text":"策略跟說法是認為說那祥安機場是國際機場那願意提供給台灣民眾特別是外地島的民眾同等的待遇可以盡量來使用祥安機場當成出國的一個機場那這樣的一個宣傳論述不是這一次才提到的事實上在過去這快一年的時間應該都有在談"},{"start":349.983,"end":377.313,"text":"那第二個角度他們在宣傳的是祥安機場會開設很多的特殊的這種攤位或店面那也歡迎我們的外離島民眾去申請租用所以它是有一套我們認為是對外離島統戰的一些宣傳的敘事在這一次的十項提議裡面有一個背後的一個圖像在這裡因為我更關心它這個是不是涉及到這個主權跟安全的問題"},{"start":378.573,"end":402.384,"text":"那如果說祥安機場,那台灣的,比如說金門的居民就是說你可以先到祥安機場,然後再回到金門那會不會讓外界就認為說,那這個就是一個中國啦就是說你就是在中國內部的同一個機場下到而到去中國希望操作就是能夠有這樣的一個意向確實它是往這方面在操作那在安全這方面咧?"},{"start":403.052,"end":423.351,"text":"那安全的方面可能兩岸不管是未來祥安機場完成之後它的一些航線或是空域的管制可能還是要循跟我們政府的一個溝通的管道來進行必要的協調來避免產生這種可能飛航安全的問題那因為飛航安全它不應該是涉及到政治的應該雙方應該要好好來溝通討論"},{"start":426.574,"end":454.335,"text":"那這部分我再請教這個兩副主委就是涉及到說他們有特別提到說共用廈門機場那一樣我關心的是這個台灣主權跟安全的問題對所謂的共用就是他們現在就如同局長這樣講的就是說他們鼓勵或是號召廈門居民金門居民他以後可以不用再飛到桃園機場去出國他可以到祥安區長去走國際線"},{"start":455.976,"end":479.85,"text":"他們現在的主要宣傳是這樣但是我們比較考慮的是另外一個問題就是空域重疊的問題也就是說金門上義機場跟那個祥安機場是非常的近幾乎空域是可以重疊的但是當然如果說雙方有一個協調的話就是說在高度上面其實是可以在高度上面做協調的"},{"start":481.611,"end":492.625,"text":"雖然空域近但是因為高度可以有容受的空間是蠻大的所以這個部分我們希望說在安全上面這個才是我們主要的考慮"},{"start":493.871,"end":517.12,"text":"那到目前為止到目前為止我們的立場是這樣就是說上義機場它是先存在的一個機場那祥安機場他們是後來才興建的機場所以後來在國際上來講的話就是說後來興建的機場它在航線或是飛安高度上面等等它必須要尊重原來既有存在的機場這是我們的立場"},{"start":518.12,"end":536.775,"text":"好 那我就是說 蔡局長我要講就是說 如果啦 金門的居民經由這個祥陽機場出入境沒有需要經過這個國境的檢查 因為就從那邊出去了那 我就以我想到的主權問題 國際社會不會認為說 那台灣已經接受這個中國的實質行政的管轄"},{"start":538.053,"end":564.166,"text":"對 在外離島民眾的出國的他的選擇那當然是民眾可以做這樣的選擇那也像委員所講的中共在政治操作上他就可以做這樣的一個操作所以他們一直在強調是同等待遇也就是認為說我們外離島民眾那跟中國大陸的民眾可以同等的來使用這個機場的權利那這是他的政治宣傳的操作對啊 因為我們出國是指從這一個"},{"start":565.126,"end":583.338,"text":"台灣出去嘛 出去其他的國家 但是他們的出國是變成說你中國是同一個國家 同一個國家出去那不一樣耶 這個要注意啦那那個 剛剛那個安全的部分我再問一下 最後再問一下兩副主委 就是說因為你剛才講說金門機場是先於這個下面這個機場那如果說我們這個未來啦 未來放棄了這一個 就是說未來這個"},{"start":592.271,"end":600.299,"text":"調度啦 空域的調度是由中方統一調度的話那是不是也會形成說我們已經放棄了金門上空的這個航管的這個主權"},{"start":601.058,"end":622.979,"text":"我們不會由中方統一調度中方調度他們的我們調度我們的基本上不會有問題但是雙方必須要有一個默契就是說當雙方在航管上面他有一個高度的差要有一個高度的差異要出來他高度的差異出來的話他基本上安全上面就不會有問題但是如果說高度的差異沒出來"},{"start":624.081,"end":640.2,"text":"那當然就是這個會發生一些問題那目前為止這部分都還沒有討論到目前為止我想我們的立場就是對方要尊重先存在的機場那這個雙方要有一個默契謝謝局長 謝謝副主委 謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:17:00.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:17:00.472000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:17:01.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:17:02.756000+08:00","text":"請國安局蔡局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T13:17:02.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:17:02.956000+08:00","text":"請蔡局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T13:17:09.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:17:10.598000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，李委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:17:11.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:17:11.779000+08:00","text":"局長辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:17:14.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:17:41.511000+08:00","text":"「習鄭會」剛結束，然後國臺辦就釋出了所謂的十大惠臺措施，包含局長也提到，它有三層意義，核心宣示就是臺海的和跟戰「北京說了算」；陸委會也提到，中共將兩岸交流「武器化、工具化、政治目的化」。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:17:48.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:18:35.478000+08:00","text":"我想北京也是有用心，在5月川習會之前先提前辦了習鄭會，那我想請教一下局長，所謂的十大惠臺措施，包含習鄭會，會不會5月份舉辦川習會的時候，中共藉由拉攏臺灣的反對黨，又藉由釋出十大惠臺措施，試圖營造反正臺海問題就是中國內政的一個問題，現在跟臺灣也處得還不錯，希望美國不用賣這麼多武器給臺灣？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:18:35.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:18:37.198000+08:00","text":"有沒有想要營造類似的效果？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T13:18:38.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:18:49.343000+08:00","text":"有，事實上早上在跟媒體朋友說明的時候也大概是用這個觀點切入，因為就國安局來講，我們比較重視的還是中共對臺的統戰跟策略操作的手法。對。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T13:18:50.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:19:06.308000+08:00","text":"特別再說明的是，這一次利用跟國內在野黨的交流，有看到在戰略面確實去凸顯在臺海和或戰的議題上，北京是有主導權的，以這樣的論述跟敘事來排除外力介入臺海的情勢。是。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T13:19:06.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:19:24.418000+08:00","text":"另外也操作到在野黨可能對北京傳統對臺政策立場的呼應，增加北京後續在川習會過程當中處理涉臺議題的一些政治操作籌碼，這部分也是我早上跟媒體朋友說明的一個重點。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:19:25.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:19:38.415000+08:00","text":"現在軍購特別條例也不知道何時會審查，因為冷凍期是到4月底，可能要到5月份了，也不知道5月份能不能如期審查。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:19:39.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:19:57.545000+08:00","text":"請教一下局長，你認為在川習會之前，第一個，在臺灣我不知道軍購特別條例能不能順利審查；第二個，您評估會不會影響到下一波川普有可能再賣第2批武器給臺灣？","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T13:19:59.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:20:10.099000+08:00","text":"對，這個部分跟委員簡單說明一下，在川習會的過程當中，我們當然不能排除中共可能會在涉臺議題提到對美軍購。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"蔡局長明彥","start":"2026-04-13T13:20:11.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:20:36.083000+08:00","text":"不過也要跟委員報告的是，就我們所瞭解的狀況，在美國跟中國互動的過程當中，只要涉及臺美軍購議題的話，美方的闡述立場事實上非常明確，他們認為這是美國一貫的政策，所以在川習會中，可能不能排除在這個議題上會有一些各自表述或交鋒的過程，但就我們的理解，美國的對臺政策還是有延續性的。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:20:36.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:20:41.669000+08:00","text":"這部分我能不能再請國防部徐副部長來說明？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T13:20:44.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:20:44.317000+08:00","text":"是，委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:20:45.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:20:49.101000+08:00","text":"我剛剛請教蔡局長的問題你有聽到嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T13:20:49.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:20:50.362000+08:00","text":"是，您最後一個問題是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:20:50.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:21:00.070000+08:00","text":"就是川習會預計在5月舉行，未來如果美方會再賣第二批武器給臺灣的話，不曉得會不會因此而影響到相關的進程？","quality":0.617},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T13:21:03.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:21:13.656000+08:00","text":"我們現在和美方的溝通還是順暢的，到目前為止，美方戰爭部給我們的訊息就是一切仍然如常進行。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:21:15.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:21:16.699000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有受到……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T13:21:17.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:21:18.680000+08:00","text":"沒有受到進一步其他的……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:21:19.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:21:27.948000+08:00","text":"那有可能不管國內在野黨跟中國是怎樣的互動，美方跟臺灣的關係也不會受到影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐副部長斯儉","start":"2026-04-13T13:21:29.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:21:47.045000+08:00","text":"我們跟戰爭部的溝通是順暢的，既有的已經知會國會的那些，保證信函都已經拿到了，目前都是順暢的，至於未來的，我們也問過，戰爭部的立場應該仍然會照常進行，這是戰爭部的立場。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:21:51.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:21:53.950000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝徐副部長，請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:21:54.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:22:12.01500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13T13:27:07.305000+08:00","text":"基本上不會有問題就對了？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"梁副主任委員文傑","start":"2026-04-13T13:27:07.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:27:26.084000+08:00","text":"對，基本上不會有問題，但雙方必須要有一個默契，就是雙方在航管上面要有高度的差異，高度的差異出來的話，安全就不會有問題；如果高度的差異沒出來，當然就會發生一些問題。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:27:26.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:27:28.887000+08:00","text":"目前為止，這部分都還沒有討論就對了？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"梁副主任委員文傑","start":"2026-04-13T13:27:28.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:27:37.778000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，我們的立場就是對方要尊重先存在的機場，這部分雙方要有一個默契。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-13T13:27:38.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-13T13:27:39.180000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝局長、謝謝副主委、謝謝主席。謝謝。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T13:27:39.680000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T13:27:44.537143+08:00","text":"接下來請楊瓊瓔、楊瓊瓔，楊瓊瓔委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T13:27:44.837143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T13:27:49.408571+08:00","text":"請徐富癸委員、徐富癸，徐富癸委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-13T13:27:49.708571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-13T13:27:52.565714+08:00","text":"請陳冠廷召委上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}