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的反應我們可以做交叉比對或是做資訊交換"},{"start":1676.524,"end":1702.324,"text":"這個是比較大圖看東海防空識別區跟中共宣佈的限制空中任務通告我們再把上海飛航情報區不是防空識別區因為它在國際民航組織它的航線都公佈了所以把航線標上去這是我們今天公佈的因為昨天他們沒有"},{"start":1703.346,"end":1731.865,"text":"飞机越中线那这是今天公布是昨天图再看今天中午的民航机你又发现它这是一种心理战其实那个区划出来跟它的国际航线从上海出去都没有影响这张图表是根据就是美国跟伊朗那么这个军事冲突啊"},{"start":1732.551,"end":1745.724,"text":"他對國際上產生的衝擊影響那麼有關國內政事還有些軍事力量還有些經濟民生國際的這個他的信譽啊那麼到底"},{"start":1746.536,"end":1775.191,"text":"产生什么样从美国面来看从大陆面来看从我们在台湾的角色来看各有立场不同但是这种如果你把它综合将来汇整起来可能可以变成一个跨部会讨论的一个依据最后的一个简短的结论就是国际动态的环境对国家安全都是挑战那么国家安全战略是确保国家安全跟我们的核心利益"},{"start":1775.956,"end":1800.459,"text":"我們講的任務方法手段就像左邊的這個在政治方面正通人和避免戰爭在外交方面實質互助資源防衛力量經濟方面要堅韌社會堅韌軍事力量攻守強固下面四個通通是社會的韌性我今天問到這邊如果有時間這個院長您回答幾句"},{"start":1801.598,"end":1830.789,"text":"好謝謝我非常敬重陳委員每次跟您在這裡對話都讓我很有壓力也沒有壓力壓力是你提供的資訊非常豐富這種科技感AI導入的系統讓我們覺得我們應該學習那沒有壓力的是像剛剛你就不會要部長去講出他不適宜在這個公開場合講的話所以我們對話會非常的健康我也期待未來我們在委員您的支持底下建立台灣之盾形成高科技的擊殺鏈以及形成我們自主"},{"start":1836.94,"end":1836.961,"text":"好 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