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持續的談"},{"start":597.35,"end":626.629,"text":"另外一個院長因為我今天時間有限我還是關注一下301條款明天就是4月15號4月15號很快就到了那301條款接下來我們要提出書面的評論跟公聽會那5月5號要在美國華盛頓召開公聽會這個部分我們準備好了沒有因為這一次他提出來是包括對於晶片不公平的產能過剩跟強迫勞動的部分為什麼我今天特別提到這件事情因為對我們來說半導體跟晶片"},{"start":626.769,"end":653.961,"text":"金片對我們來說太重要了我聽到的是半導體產業他們都擔心說三一條款到時候如果談得不好對他們來說增加關稅等等當然站在他們立場產業界有憂慮是應該的 合理的因為這是增加他們的成本我們到底有沒有信心因為川普又一直不斷在講說台灣搶走美國金片的工作機會而且美國貿易代表署格里爾也說過"},{"start":655.362,"end":656.103,"text":"到底對於301後續的溝通協調"},{"start":670.365,"end":699.161,"text":"我們有沒有信心可以通過三零一的考驗過去這一個半月以來雖然我們非常用力在處理中東的情勢的整個安定民生的重要工作但是沒有放棄在對美談判當中有沒有信心可以通過三零一的考驗我們在前這一兩天啦 前一兩天尤其是放假的連假的一兩天因為思緒化馬上就到我們準備好回一個對 我們還在那一兩天我們還在緊鑼密鼓的包括這個禮拜六禮拜天還在準備工作那目前我們還沒準備好"},{"start":699.941,"end":718.095,"text":"準備好了那我們這次會派5月5號會派人過去溝通嗎因為他是5月5號要去在美國華盛頓召開公聽會一定會有相對的層級的過去會派誰呢我們駐美的代表會有派人去參加"},{"start":719.102,"end":743.629,"text":"會跟美方是相對層級的人員來參加資料我們要談判的內容我們都準備妥當院長辛苦了我覺得談判都很辛苦嚴慧心副總代表的事件她也點出一些核心的問題台灣在國際貿易的談判的角色事實上越來越重要我們經貿辦事處它是一個任務編組"},{"start":745.478,"end":760.731,"text":"符不符合未來我們台灣在國際貿易上半導體晶片我們這個任務編組到底足不足夠是我關注的我覺得人才培訓不管政黨輪不輪替這些人才對我們來說對國家來說都很重要"},{"start":761.371,"end":780.206,"text":"所以未來會不會設置談判官甚至未來會不會設置一個常態化的辦公室而不是只有一個臨時編制就是說人才的培育國家的公務人員人才培育都很重要我們可以從一個科長未來處長慢慢生才能變成副代表然後變成代表談判團隊其中一員"},{"start":781.067,"end":810.687,"text":"那未來我們會不會有這樣子的角色跟常設常態化的辦公室去做談判的工作所以在國際上無論是RCEP或CPTPP或者是現在跟美國的談判未來會不會有談判官是 隨著台灣在國際經貿地位上越發的重要這種常設性的談判機構過去我們是沒有這樣的 我們是這麼編組這一次我們在對美談判開始之後我們已經編了六位的常設的文官在裡面了"},{"start":810.967,"end":812.828,"text":"我們觀察其他國家各個國家的這種談判的機構我覺得我們是有必要做這樣的檢討"},{"start":826.218,"end":843.875,"text":"院長就是說我覺得我們過去常在講說分散投資分散投資產業分散投資不是只有對美因為關注一下過去我們對美的貿易順差本來是700多億後來過了今年又是1400多億這個當然數字很漂亮我很高興那但是"},{"start":844.375,"end":873.049,"text":"相對的我覺得我們都希望市場分散所以接下來過去蔡英文總統有新南向政策在很多不同的產業鏈當然半導體是我們其中很重要的一塊那未來我們的分散市場包括歐洲市場這些未來會不會持續的有一個新的不同的目標在做其實以台灣為中心點我們南向 西進 東拓 北合都是我們可以往全球各地去發展的"},{"start":874.609,"end":890.758,"text":"蔡總統的正在有一個新南向辦公室有哪些措施未來賴總統會不會也有我們包括我們對歐盟其實歐洲跟我們過去的陌生跟現在的感覺是完全不同的那我們在南向國家當中我們也會選擇跟我們可以更加合作的國家"},{"start":892.799,"end":920.188,"text":"我希望南向或歐洲國家未來會有一個更明確的一些你們要怎麼做的做法出來因為這次通膨後續主席講說4月1號後續通膨的狀況會慢慢顯露出來那包括最近我們關注的機票這個燃油附加稅一下也調到很多包括國內短程漲了15塊美金長程會漲到117塊很多人都擔心說漲的時候就不會回來那包括韓國有一個石油的"},{"start":940.345,"end":940.865,"text":"好 謝謝 謝謝李委員 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:25:29.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:25:31.220000+08:00","text":"我是不是可以邀請卓院長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-14T15:25:32.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:25:32.902000+08:00","text":"請卓院長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:25:32.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:25:33.043000+08:00","text":"李委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:25:42.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:25:43.585000+08:00","text":"院長好，辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:25:43.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:26:06.764000+08:00","text":"今年2月24號我關注到賴總統參加臺商新春活動的時候特別提出一些善意，稱對岸為中國大陸或者是大陸，這在兩岸關係事實上是非常善意的，跟過去以往稱對岸的方式是不一樣的，我關注到了，這個在新聞上都可以看得到。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:26:08.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:26:23.810000+08:00","text":"賴總統過去在當賴市長的時候，有提出他的政策是親中愛臺、兩岸是朋友；甚至之前在疫情過後，他也提到兩岸的觀光其實是可以春暖花開。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:26:25.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:26:33.833000+08:00","text":"這些過去的點點滴滴都是賴總統、甚至是賴市長曾經講過的話，不是我李彥秀說的。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:26:35.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:26:53.079000+08:00","text":"雖然國民黨跟民進黨在很多國家的政策方向上有一些不一樣，但是我深信我們都有共同的目標，我們共同的目標就是讓臺灣人民過更好的生活，我們可能在議題、意見上有所不一樣，但是我覺得都可以溝通。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:26:53.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:27:08.793000+08:00","text":"特別是大陸提出來的惠臺十項政策已經推出3天了，我相信各部會應該都有盤點過，你們也做過評估跟研究，剛才前一位質詢的洪孟楷委員也提出來。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:27:08.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:27:17.301000+08:00","text":"院長，這十項當中，到底有沒有哪一項你覺得是可以進一步研究，還是你認為這十項完全都不行？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:27:18.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:27:19.082000+08:00","text":"第一項我沒有意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:27:19.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:27:21.129000+08:00","text":"是，接下來其他的呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:27:22.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:27:53.497000+08:00","text":"其實不是每一項都一定跟各部會有關係，譬如農產品相關的，包括農漁業進口優惠跟簡易便利的措施，這是在對岸可以決定的；包括放寬臺灣的影視作品引進的限制；還有包括協助臺商在大陸投資，有金融貸款或稅收專案支持等等，這些都是涉及對岸的部分，其他有一些是需要各部會支持，有一些則是民眾直接過去就可以處理。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:27:54.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:03.421000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下院長，對於大陸這十項善意，我不知道你怎麼看，沒關係，其中有一些是部會要決定，我就不再重複贅述。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:04.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:06.742000+08:00","text":"這十項是不是您都認為不可行，還是您認為有一、兩項？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:08.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:11.066000+08:00","text":"你的看法到底是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:11.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:19.796000+08:00","text":"總歸地講，有幾項、幾乎大部分過去都談過了，但是時開時停，有時候有、有時候沒有，有時候可以進、有時候不可以進。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:20.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:21.157000+08:00","text":"沒關係，院長，因為今天時間很寶貴，我的時間只有……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰：我對這個有問題的就是，比方第五項","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:25.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:35.673000+08:00","text":"在堅持九二共識、反對臺獨政治基礎上建立溝通機制，為符合檢驗檢疫標準的臺灣農漁產品輸入中國。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰：我對這個有問題的就是，比方第五項","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:35.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:39.457000+08:00","text":"臺灣農漁產品輸入中國跟九二共識、反對臺獨有什麼關係？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰：我對這個有問題的就是，比方第五項","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:39.457000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:42.385000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:42.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:45.808000+08:00","text":"院長，我想是這樣子……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:45.808000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:46.959000+08:00","text":"你也不懂嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:46.959000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:48.110000+08:00","text":"但是主席簽回來……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:48.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:28:57.399000+08:00","text":"院長，我想是這樣子，農民對於很多實質的內容面都等了很久，包括觀光業也等很久，我等一下會進入我的質詢。","quality":0.644},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:28:58.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:29:09.444000+08:00","text":"有幾項牽涉到對岸支持就可以進行，有一些當然需要跨部會配合，我尊重你的意見，但是我只是要提醒。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:29:09.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:29:34.737000+08:00","text":"我們來看一下幾個問題，包括恢復觀光的部分，我們都知道過去從2017年開始，我們觀光的產值到現在為止已經有7,000億的逆差，對我們來說、對觀光業來說是一個非常大的打擊，尤其兩岸停止交流之後，過去陸客占了22%，這對我們影響非常大。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:29:35.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:29:50.491000+08:00","text":"我要請問，過去這段時間大兩會可能停止溝通，但是小兩會我們有機會一直在談，所以賴總統一直提說春暖，現在天氣熱了，到底花開不開？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:29:51.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:29:54.896000+08:00","text":"對於這個部分的善意，到底我們後續怎麼去處理？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:29:55.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:29:56.577000+08:00","text":"您的看法到底是如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:29:57.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:30:03.584000+08:00","text":"委員談的應該是最後這一項「推動恢復上海及福建省居民赴臺個人旅遊試點」，「恢復」表示過去有，後來停下來，又變成沒有，現在……","quality":0.608},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:30:03.584000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:30:05.002000+08:00","text":"好，現在不管過去大家在溝通上有什麼樣的問題，接下來這十大項院長是否支持我都尊重，但是我現在就請問你這幾項……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:30:05.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:30:39.517000+08:00","text":"我支持交由小兩會先去談，因為上海及福建省這個例子，過去在2011年跟2019年也有開放47個城市可以來臺灣自由行，結果2019年突然就停下來了；在2025年曾經開放上海到金馬，但也沒有執行，所以就是沒有後續的談判……","quality":0.671},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:30:39.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:30:49.123000+08:00","text":"院長，我尊重，所以現在大陸已經提出善意，有一些你也可以同意讓他們繼續去溝通，如果可行就往前走、往下走，是這樣子嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:30:49.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:30:52.586000+08:00","text":"要經過有公權力的機關進行必要的協商。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:30:53.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:30:58.892000+08:00","text":"我知道、我同意，就是有一些是跨部會的，有一些是大陸他們自己就可以做的……","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:30:59.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:31:05.299000+08:00","text":"但是剛剛那個前提要在，就是要健康有序、對等尊嚴，而且不設條件、不帶前提。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:31:05.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:31:06.079000+08:00","text":"對，我當然同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:31:06.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:31:06.880000+08:00","text":"像剛才委員所提的漁產，我不曉得委員要怎麼去談！","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:31:06.880000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:31:11.264000+08:00","text":"你跟魚講要堅持九二共識……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:31:11.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:32:01.552000+08:00","text":"好，接下來要談農業的部分，過去5年農產品出口創新低，雖然過去我們編列了海外拓展的預算，包括外銷、運輸的補貼等等，這幾項都有編，但是過去5年臺灣農業輸出產值，衰退將近400億臺幣，針對這一點，因為我們現在在臺美關稅談判，未來美國黃小玉的進口，對我們的農業來說也會有一定的衝擊，所以在這一塊，過去這幾年我們對大陸市場衰退了30%；對美國農產品輸出也下降6.2%；對日本也下降6.2%；新南向國家無論是越南、泰國、日本，農業的部分也都往下降。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:32:02.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:32:11.919000+08:00","text":"在這一波關稅特別條例當中，對於農產品相關的補助，我覺得勢必要再加強。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:32:12.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:32:33.335000+08:00","text":"針對我剛才跟院長報告的那些數據，接下來無論是對美農業的進口也好，或者以市場分散來處理，因為從數據上看起來，這些全部都是下降的，所以我們對於農民的協助、幫忙到底是什麼？","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:32:34.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:32:44.983000+08:00","text":"換言之，你不要大陸市場也沒有關係，但是我們現在看到其他新南向國家的這些市場，包括對日本、美國、韓國，我們都已經往下降了，請問該怎麼辦呢？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-14T15:32:45.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:32:54.890000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，第一個部分，您剛才所提的數據有一大部分是中國在110年開始就陸續停止我們非常多農產品的進口……","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:32:55.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:33:02.114000+08:00","text":"好，我們不講中國，其他包括對美國、對日本、對東南亞好幾個國家都是下降的。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-14T15:33:02.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:33:05.597000+08:00","text":"有關貿易的部分，相對的，中國以外的輸出，我們從110年的36.9億到115年的數字是有提高的。","quality":0.441},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:33:05.597000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:33:06.637000+08:00","text":"部長，我們不要針對個別國家，我的數據都是你們提供的……","quality":0.174},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-14T15:33:06.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:33:09.439000+08:00","text":"不是，我是說中國以外的部分，我們都是提高的。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:33:09.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:33:29.774000+08:00","text":"但是對於整個農產品輸出的部分，還有接下來我們要進口美國農產品，包括黃小玉，對臺灣的農業來說有一定的衝擊，所以關稅條例裡面才有對農業、農民的補助……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-14T15:33:29.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:33:38.403000+08:00","text":"剛好相反，我要跟委員說明，我們從美國進口黃小玉對臺灣有利的，因為那是臺灣沒有生產的，臺灣的玉米……","quality":0.698},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:33:38.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:33:41.546000+08:00","text":"沒關係，其他的農業會有一定的衝擊，沒關係，數字會告訴我們。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:33:47.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:03.536000+08:00","text":"農民賺不到錢，所以很多年輕人不願意投入，這是我們接下來擔心的，怎麼樣讓我們的糧食、農業足夠且有自己生產的能力，不要完全都靠進口，萬一碰到打仗什麼的，這些都不可預知。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:04.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:11.278000+08:00","text":"這一塊我提醒你們要注意，不要只針對特定市場，我覺得分散市場是勢必要處理的。","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:11.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:15.221000+08:00","text":"我們一直在做多元高端市場的開拓，特別是在……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:15.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:23.628000+08:00","text":"也不能只有高端市場，我們有各式各樣的農民，當然要有高端市場，而且我們也需要各式各樣的市場，這些都需要，這是我要提醒部長的地方。","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:23.628000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:24.628000+08:00","text":"我們要尋求的是長期穩定、合理的市場。","quality":0.062},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:24.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:25.270000+08:00","text":"過去5年農產品的出口……我知道……院長……","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:25.270000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:26.270000+08:00","text":"跟我們有協商機制的國家……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:25.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:27.812000+08:00","text":"所以我才提醒大陸市場可以在對等尊嚴之下，不應該放棄……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:27.812000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:37.600000+08:00","text":"而且他極端不穩定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:37.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:42.342000+08:00","text":"院長，所以我說我們不應該放棄任何一個特定市場。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:43.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:34:55.488000+08:00","text":"以農業部的立場，我們對農產品是支持健康有序的農產貿易，但是不支持片面決定的機制，因為所有的農產品都要透過雙方的檢驗單位去協商。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:34:55.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:35:03.473000+08:00","text":"部長，為了農民著想，你們積極去溝通，我同意要在對等尊嚴之下，我也支持在對等尊嚴之下。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-14T15:35:03.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:35:07.797000+08:00","text":"我們一直在溝通，對兩岸的檢疫要協商，可是他們都不理我們，在這個前提之下，我們怎麼樣可以輸出……","quality":0.659},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:35:08.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:35:22.289000+08:00","text":"現在所有的國人都在看，無論是觀光業也好、農民也好，都希望這十項善意讓大家可以有機會往前走，所以我們希望有機會大家也持續的溝通、持續的談。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:35:24.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:35:28.013000+08:00","text":"院長，因為今天我的時間有限，我還是關注一下301條款。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:35:29.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:35:42.342000+08:00","text":"明天就是4月15號，4月15號很快就到了，接下來我們要提出書面的評論跟公聽會出席請求，5月5號要在美國華盛頓特區召開公聽會，這個部分我們準備好了沒有？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:35:42.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:35:50.408000+08:00","text":"因為這一次他們提出來的包括晶片不公平的產能過剩跟強迫勞動，為什麼我今天特別提到這件事情？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:35:50.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:36:10.917000+08:00","text":"因為半導體跟晶片對我們來說太重要了，我聽到的是半導體產業都擔心301條款到時候如果談得不好，對他們來說會增加關稅等等，當然站在產業界的立場，有憂慮是應該的、合理的，因為這會增加他們的成本。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:36:12.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:36:12.918000+08:00","text":"我們到底有沒有信心？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:36:13.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:36:19.961000+08:00","text":"因為川普一直不斷在說臺灣搶走美國晶片的工作機會，而且美國貿易代表署葛里爾也說過，無論過去這段時間我們怎麼談ART，但是對美國來說，301是獨立的，這是他們的說法。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:36:21.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:36:39.387000+08:00","text":"對於301後續的溝通、協調，我們到底有沒有信心可以通過301的考驗？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:36:39.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:36:49.132000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在過去這一個半月以來，雖然我們非常用力在處理為因應中東情勢安定民生的重要工作，但是並沒有放棄在對美談判當中……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:36:49.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:36:51.613000+08:00","text":"那有沒有信心可以通過301的考驗？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:36:51.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:36:55.716000+08:00","text":"我們尤其在連假的前一、兩天……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:36:55.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:36:57.917000+08:00","text":"因為4月15號馬上就到了，我們準備好回應了嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:36:58.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:37:04.880000+08:00","text":"我們在那一、兩天都在緊鑼密鼓的準備，包括在這個禮拜六，禮拜天還在進行準備工作，目前我們……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:37:04.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:37:05.141000+08:00","text":"還沒準備好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:37:05.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:37:07.042000+08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15:40:07.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:40:16.738000+08:00","text":"包括我們對歐盟，其實歐洲跟我們過去的陌生，跟現在的感覺是完全不同的，在南向國家當中，我們也會選擇跟我們可以更加合作的國家。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:40:16.738000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:40:18.799000+08:00","text":"院長，沒問題，我今天時間很少，我很多問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:40:18.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:40:26.682000+08:00","text":"我希望你們對南向或歐洲國家未來會有一個更明確的怎麼做的做法出來。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:40:28.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:40:45.968000+08:00","text":"院長，主計長說4月1日後續通膨的狀況會慢慢顯露出來，最近我們關注到機票的燃油附加費一下也調了很多，包括國際短程漲了15塊美金，長程會漲到117塊，很多人都擔心漲了之後就不會回來，韓國有一個石油津貼制度，未來我們會不會有？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:40:45.968000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:40:50.107400+08:00","text":"我們現在用平穩機制希望能夠穩定民生……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:40:50.107400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:40:54.246800+08:00","text":"我們未來會不會考慮津貼制度？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:40:54.246800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:40:58.386200+08:00","text":"平穩機制如果能夠穩定民生的話，看國內情勢……","quality":0.053},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:40:58.386200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:41:02.525600+08:00","text":"未來包括南韓的石油津貼制度會不會列入我們的政策考量範圍內？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:41:02.525600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:41:06.665000+08:00","text":"我們現在的平穩機制應該比南韓還要好。","quality":0.059},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-04-14T15:41:06.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:41:06.665000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:41:06.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:41:07.665000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-14T15:41:06.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:41:06.865000+08:00","text":"謝謝李委員，謝謝卓院長。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-14T15:41:07.365000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:41:10.507857+08:00","text":"下一位請廖先翔委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}