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這讓我們榮民沒有辦法去信賴這個制度啊"},{"start":937.302,"end":937.322,"text":"好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:57:09.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:57:14.386000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，江副院長、卓院長以及各位先進。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:57:14.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:57:19.751000+08:00","text":"有請行政院卓院長，經濟部長可以一起上來。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-14T15:57:19.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:57:21.993000+08:00","text":"卓院長還有龔部長，請備詢。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:57:30.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:57:31.122000+08:00","text":"賴委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-14T15:57:32.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:57:32.163000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:57:32.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:57:33.644000+08:00","text":"院長辛苦了，今天一整天了。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:57:33.644000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:57:38.772500+08:00","text":"還好、還好，不會、不會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:57:38.772500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:57:43.901000+08:00","text":"不過我是最後一位了，結束以後就可以下課了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:57:43.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:58:11.333000+08:00","text":"看起來，最近有個題目，就是針對中東的戰爭之後，我們怎麼樣幫助全民，有國民黨委員提出來，不是我，提出每個人發1萬塊的石油津貼，大概要2,360億，我等一下告訴你，這個錢是有的，不是沒有。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:58:12.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:58:28.778000+08:00","text":"第二個是民進黨立委說要提出一個特別預算，大概一千三百多億，我們算小數點去掉就是一千三百億左右；或者是直接補貼，就不要用特別預算。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:58:29.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:58:41.866000+08:00","text":"院長，我請你在這個國會殿堂很具體地告訴我們，面對這個變局，因為還在戰爭當中，這三個你比較喜歡哪一個？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:58:42.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:58:47.309000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為我們前有因應國際情勢的韌性特別條例跟特別預算……","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:58:47.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:58:48.050000+08:00","text":"已經通過了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:58:48.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:58:48.430000+08:00","text":"那個還在執行當中……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:58:50.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:58:51.244000+08:00","text":"那是因應關稅。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:58:51.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:59:03.130000+08:00","text":"那是因應國際情勢，能不能擴充、擴大來使用，這是一個可以討論的方向，如果可以的話，裡面可不可以挪出一些或者是我們從裡面來追加，這都是方式。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:59:03.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:59:21.068000+08:00","text":"再來第二個，如果真的不行，討論結果是不行，是不是要針對現在已經產生一些營業上虧損或是實際上受損的行業、產業進行了解之後，用個別的補貼或是用整體的特別預算來幫助……","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:59:21.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:59:28.772000+08:00","text":"你沒有回答我你比較喜歡哪一個，你這樣講就是第三個，聽起來是第三個，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:59:28.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:59:36.525000+08:00","text":"就是從現在已經有的因應國際情勢特別預算裡面來挪，這裡面事實上有錢啦……","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:59:36.525000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:59:37.525000+08:00","text":"所剩不多啦！","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:59:37.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:59:45.188000+08:00","text":"因為我們那時候很慷慨，給你250億的預備金……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:59:45.188000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T15:59:46.188000+08:00","text":"對啦，所剩不多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:59:45.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:59:50.330000+08:00","text":"沒有特別預算在編預備金的，那時候我們後來給你是為了要因應國際情勢……","quality":0.516},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T15:59:51.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T15:59:53.631000+08:00","text":"因為國際情勢變化多端、快速變化。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T15:59:53.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:00:11.737000+08:00","text":"所以你有250億可以用，那個地方就有250億可以用，因此我能不能解讀為你比較傾向於用那個條例的250億，不夠了再追加，是不是這樣？","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:00:12.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:00:13.097000+08:00","text":"這是一個方式。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:00:14.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:00:15.518000+08:00","text":"應該是你的第一優先吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:00:16.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:00:17.219000+08:00","text":"這個是比較簡單的方式。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:00:17.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:00:18.680000+08:00","t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:"2026-04-14T16:04:16.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:27.168000+08:00","text":"對，但是過去的虧損，事實上吸收不只這個數字，所以它還是有其他的業務來cover原來的政策吸收。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:27.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:30.870000+08:00","text":"你要對外說明，你這樣子很不清楚，好不好？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:30.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:31.070000+08:00","text":"你對外說明。好。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:32.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:42.591000+08:00","text":"同樣的，這一次經濟部大小眼，只有看到大企業，中小企業你都沒有照顧到。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:42.591000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:43.591000+08:00","text":"沒有呀！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:43.591000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:44.591000+08:00","text":"不會、不會！不會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:42.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:46.612000+08:00","text":"這部分有人跟我反映，好幾個人跟我說呢！","quality":0.412},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:48.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:51.894000+08:00","text":"請問你，中小企業家數多少？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:51.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:52.214000+08:00","text":"160萬家左右。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:52.214000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:55.936000+08:00","text":"160萬家這麼多，占了百分之九十幾呀！","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:55.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:04:59.017000+08:00","text":"所以幾乎中小企業現在來申請貸款的部分……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:04:59.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:01.097000+08:00","text":"來，等一下，我的問題還沒問，你不要先講嘛！","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:01.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:19.230000+08:00","text":"我的問題是，你現在要讓受關稅傷害的可以去申請補助，但是你只有針對直接影響的，間接影響就是下包，幾乎都沒有！","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:19.230000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:20.230000+08:00","text":"有，可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:19.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:20.630000+08:00","text":"你要承諾我，你在這裡公開講。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:20.630000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:21.630000+08:00","text":"對，我在這邊保證，間接影響是可以的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:21.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:35.730000+08:00","text":"好幾個中小企業跟我反映，我特別提出來，不要只有補助大企業……不會。不會。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:36.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:38.551000+08:00","text":"它下包的中小企業更需要你補助。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:38.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:43.372000+08:00","text":"因為這兩百多億……總共460億本來就是為了中小企業還有傳統產業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:43.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:47.273000+08:00","text":"那是直接啦，我們說間接的……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:47.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:55.436000+08:00","text":"對，間接的有，他是間接受害，就是他不是直接出口，他是出給進口商或代理商，然後再出口，這也可以。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:55.436000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:05:56.436000+08:00","text":"謝謝你講這麼清楚……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:05:56.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:04.185000+08:00","text":"也請委員說明，哪些產業有特別跟委員表示過，也請委員趕快跟我們說，我們馬上來做有效的因應。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-14T16:06:04.185000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:05.185000+08:00","text":"我們馬上來因應。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:06:04.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:07.028000+08:00","text":"好幾個產業跟我反映了，我今天一定要講。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:06:07.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:27.854000+08:00","text":"最後一個才是今天的重點，鄭習會之後，剛才院長已經多少回答一些了，十項，外面說是大禮包，你們就說這是糖衣毒藥不能吃，吃了會死，糖衣毒藥！","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:06:27.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:35.276000+08:00","text":"第一點，跟政府沒關係，這是國共兩黨之間的問題；第二點是國共青年的問題……","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:06:35.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:36.116000+08:00","text":"那以前也談過了。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:06:36.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:42.197000+08:00","text":"第三點到第十點都是政府要介入的，對吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:06:43.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:44.038000+08:00","text":"院長，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:06:44.038000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:45.038000+08:00","text":"每一點如果都需要政府去……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:06:44.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:54.312000+08:00","text":"三到十項都需要政府介入，那我就問你，你的答案是不是三到十通通不要，是不是？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:06:54.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:06:59.315000+08:00","text":"不是，他如果真的有誠意要談，旅遊該談，兩會就要來談。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:00.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:02.116000+08:00","text":"我請問你，三到十是不是你都不要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:02.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:04.117000+08:00","text":"沒有，我沒有這樣講。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:04.117000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:05.117000+08:00","text":"沒有都不要？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:04.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:08.380000+08:00","text":"第一個，兩會要來談；第二個，把那個前提跟條件拿掉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:09.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:12.183000+08:00","text":"好，兩會來談，可以談啊，對不對？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:12.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:25.033000+08:00","text":"比如說開放自由行，因為大陸過來要一個入臺證，我們要准許他一個入臺證，雙證對吧？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:25.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:36.443000+08:00","text":"入臺證我們就卡得到，農漁產品去有些檢疫的，農業部卡得到，所以這種東西，如果大家都來卡……","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:36.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:37.744000+08:00","text":"是他們卡住啊，我們沒有卡住啊！","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:39.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:48.553000+08:00","text":"他很多都是恢復，他自己禁掉了，然後現在要恢復，要恢復就來談，恢復的話，就要一個長期的、穩定的、合理的、互惠的。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:49.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:50.475000+08:00","text":"好，那他們有什麼前提？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:52.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:53.995000+08:00","text":"他要跟你談，有什麼前提？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:54.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:56.777000+08:00","text":"不要有前提，就是不能有前提。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:57.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:07:58.778000+08:00","text":"他也沒有前提啊，他有什麼前提？有啊！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:07:58.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:08:03.641000+08:00","text":"你看我剛剛講到，臺灣農漁產品輸入中國要在堅持九二共識之下。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:08:04.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:08:05.042000+08:00","text":"九二共識，來！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:08:07.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:08:26.186000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，我給你上課一下，不好意思這樣講，九二共識的原汁原味是2005年胡錦濤、連戰所講的，那時候美國是小布希總統，也就是美、中、臺三方大家的共識，就是兩岸……","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:08:26.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:08:27.627000+08:00","text":"沒有，李登輝總統說過沒有共識。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:08:27.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:08:28.288000+08:00","text":"你不要插嘴，聽我講！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:08:28.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:08:28.789000+08:00","text":"你尊重我，我時間很寶貴。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:08:35.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:09:04.930000+08:00","text":"兩岸堅持一個中國，但是對於一個中國口頭表示不同的定義，2005年的九二共識是這個樣子，所以現在可以這麼講，你不要……你的立場我尊重，你不要就不要，但是我要告訴你，原汁原味是這個樣子，那時候是中、美、臺三方面的一個共識，同樣的，你們說習近平說九二共識就是要一國兩制……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:09:06.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:09:07.150000+08:00","text":"臺灣方案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:09:07.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:09:16.733000+08:00","text":"這個他說的不算，因為要美國同意啊，要美國同意啊，因為原來的九二共識是美、中、臺三方面，你去查一下文件，事實上……","quality":0.702},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:09:16.733000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:09:18.194000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有！有！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:09:18.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:09:19.274000+08:00","text":"我就告訴你歷史嘛！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:09:19.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:09:24.655000+08:00","text":"在習近平的口中，九二共識已經是臺灣方案了。對！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:09:24.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:09:25.896000+08:00","text":"來，那我們不接受啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:09:25.896000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:09:28.297000+08:00","text":"對啊，所以……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:09:28.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:04.777000+08:00","text":"美國要接受，要改變要經過美國，所以我要跟你強調，就是不要那麼故意的意識型態，這裡面，九二共識不容許這麼簡單的、片面的去改變，我們也不能改變，大陸不能改變，美國在看著，美、中、臺大家共同同意的一個九二共識，反對臺獨，賴清德總統及蕭美琴副總統都在講捍衛中華民國，捍衛中華民國就反對臺獨啊！","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:05.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:06.678000+08:00","text":"這有什麼不對呢？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:06.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:08.078000+08:00","text":"這個東西就沒問題啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:08.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:15.860000+08:00","text":"臺灣中華民國是一個主權獨立的國家，這個就是現在我們所堅持的，中華民國臺灣是一個主權獨立的國家。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:15.860000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:18.581000+08:00","text":"結果他堅持了啊！","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:18.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:23.742000+08:00","text":"問題是你要對話，所以很簡單，一個九二共識各自表述……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:23.742000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:24.742000+08:00","text":"現在沒有了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:24.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:27.183000+08:00","text":"他的九二共識他去講，對不對？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:27.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:29.263000+08:00","text":"他去講一國兩制什麼的，我們講就是中華民國……","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:31.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:36.684000+08:00","text":"沒有，我想連鄭主席在北京也沒有講過一中各表、也沒有講過各自表述啊！","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:38.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:40.025000+08:00","text":"他前面有講中華民國，你不必去挑那個……","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:40.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:44.746000+08:00","text":"他也沒有講九二共識是各自表述，他也沒講啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:45.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:10:58.854000+08:00","text":"院長，我們對於他的一項、二項是國共之間的，其他都是對老百姓好的，觀光業哈得要死，農漁產品多一個出口的。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:10:59.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:11:35.216000+08:00","text":"我就告訴你，你們不要一下子怕什麼糖衣毒藥，如果帶種，什麼都不要的話，那ECFA廢掉，ECFA告訴你成績，從100年到114年，事實上是113年，因為114年資料找不到，到現在為止，我們出超1,960億，去大陸的喔！","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:11:35.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:11:41.146000+08:00","text":"而關稅的減讓，賺關稅1筆92億，兩個加起來是2,000億美金啊！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:11:41.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:11:54.977000+08:00","text":"除以14年，13年、14年都可以，因為114年資料沒有提供，除以14是一百三十六億餘元，等於137億美金。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:11:55.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:07.207000+08:00","text":"我們每一年因為ECFA賺了137億美金，你廢掉好了，你告訴老百姓，民進黨執政，不要這個每一年137億美金，你敢嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:12:08.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:13.544000+08:00","text":"不過委員，2010年的ECFA清單，其中2021年開始，鳳梨、釋迦、蓮霧，中方也是說斷就斷啊！","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:12:13.544000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:14.544000+08:00","text":"那個是另外一件事啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:12:13.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:13.704000+08:00","text":"不是啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:12:13.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:16.045000+08:00","text":"這讓我們農民沒有辦法去信賴這個制度啊！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-14T16:12:16.545000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:30.830714+08:00","text":"謝長廷就講，ECFA簽到最後，「查甫找無工，查某找無尪，囡仔要去黑龍江」，到現在都沒有發生，這完全是民進黨的謊言而已。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-14T16:12:31.130714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:38.559286+08:00","text":"中方說停就停，讓我們的農民沒有辦法信賴，這才是現在的問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-14T16:12:38.859286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:41.716429+08:00","text":"謝謝賴委員、謝謝卓院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-14T16:12:42.016429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:52.016429+08:00","text":"報告院會，本日排定質詢的委員均已質詢完畢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長列席答詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-14T16:12:52.316429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:57.459286+08:00","text":"下次會議繼續進行經濟組之質詢，現在散會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-14T16:12:57.759286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-14T16:12:58.902143+08:00","text":"散會（16時13分）","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}