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你知道工研院一年的預算規模多少嗎294億我寫出來了嘛 應該跟你人人差不多嘛經濟部貢獻多少相當多嘛非常多啦沒錯 你知道商業院的預算規模多少嗎上面寫3億元零頭都不到啊可是我們看一下工業人口占全國多少 3乘5啊服務業人口呢 6乘5啊經濟部 你會不會覺得對這兩個你的智庫你是不是要稍微再多掐牆哪一個"},{"start":345.609,"end":351.911,"text":"所以我們今天談運動產業不要狹隘的定義在競技型觀賞型的運動要思考到對國家競爭力生產力有幫助的這個國發下去好我的結論兩位"},{"start":366.494,"end":387.612,"text":"國外評估 運動健康產業可以提升多少人口競爭力 減少多少醫療資源 可不可以評估可以嗎 國發會 來 大概可不可以給我一個報告 簡單的報告很快的給我 讓我知道你們有在進行研究好 我們那個會後我們大概多久 一個月 兩個月 三個月 一年 兩年 三年一個月好不好好 可以了 如果你三年的話就要偏年任了好 一個月 好 那拜託 來 何市長"},{"start":388.653,"end":403.284,"text":"那如果善用智庫除了公園之外你要不要好好的運用一下商園院好可以嗎 可以增加對他投資嗎我們回去再很簡單會就好了嘛你增加一塊錢我也接受啊是 我們當然就會對這些智庫單位都會做這個支持好 你說會我就會好 謝謝那謝謝黃次長給標準答案謝謝 謝謝主委時間掌握非常精確"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:02.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:06.886000+08:00","text":"主席、在場委員先進、列席的機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:07.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:12.391000+08:00","text":"有請國發會葉主委、經濟部何次長及運動部黃次長。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:12.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:12.551000+08:00","text":"請國發會葉主委、經濟部何次長及運動部黃次長。","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:17.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:18.293000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:18.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:19.493000+08:00","text":"主委好，兩位次長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:20.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:25.497000+08:00","text":"今天我們要來談運動健康產業提升國家競爭力，跨部會要強化投資智庫研究。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:26.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:37.843000+08:00","text":"先請運動部次長做標準答案的公布人，請教葉主委跟何次長，職棒運動、電競運動跟健身運動哪一個有運動產業？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:38.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:40.545000+08:00","text":"只能選一個，你覺得哪一個比較像？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:41.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:41.766000+08:00","text":"沒有，三個都是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:42.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:43.947000+08:00","text":"如果你只能挑一個，你覺得哪一個是？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:45.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:46.290000+08:00","text":"你心目中的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:46.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:48.691000+08:00","text":"我心目中的可能是棒球。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:49.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:49.732000+08:00","text":"職棒運動。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:49.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:53.673000+08:00","text":"好，請問何次長，如果你只挑一個有運動產業的，你會挑哪一個？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:53.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:54.174000+08:00","text":"也是職棒。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:54.174000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:55.174000+08:00","text":"也是職棒。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:54.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:54.994000+08:00","text":"請問運動部黃次長，你認為哪一個不是有運動產業？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:02.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:03.667000+08:00","text":"講不出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:03.667000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:04.667000+08:00","text":"我覺得都是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:03.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:05.648000+08:00","text":"你心目中，不能只講一個，你要說三個都是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:06.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:09.329000+08:00","text":"如果說未來發展性，我會選健康運動。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:09.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:11.810000+08:00","text":"很好，謝謝，我很欣賞黃次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:11.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:15.892000+08:00","text":"我告訴主委跟次長，職棒運動有產業嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:15.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:21.334000+08:00","text":"有，有一點觀賞產業，有職棒、有主場，這些手套、球衣、球鞋誰在做？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:22.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:26.697000+08:00","text":"臺灣的手套廠都在菲律賓；你說電競運動有沒有產業？有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:26.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:31.440000+08:00","text":"我們的PC、筆電，先有這些產業才有電競，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:31.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:41.207000+08:00","text":"但是很特別的，健身運動它兩邊都有，我們有按摩椅、有跑步機外銷，我們也有很多的World Gym、健身中心四處開，是不是這樣子？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:41.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:45.970000+08:00","text":"所以我認為黃次長的答案比較接近我的，我不是說你們兩個錯。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:48.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:57.155000+08:00","text":"今天召委排了這麼重要的題目，我相信召委心中也有他的答案，但是對運動產業的定義為何，涉及我們的產業政策。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:59.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:08.637000+08:00","text":"競技觀賞型的運動產業，職棒很典型，有觀眾入場、有門票收入、有球場營運，舉辦賽事有周邊產業、有紀念商品、有運動產品，哪一種是產業？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:08.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:09.638000+08:00","text":"上面是產業嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:09.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:19.280000+08:00","text":"上面是產業，因為上面有收入，下面是製造業，但是很多都不是臺灣自己的，它是運動產業，不限定是觀賞型跟經濟型的。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:20.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:26.925000+08:00","text":"所以我們來看一下，生病就醫，全民健保，我們發展的是醫療、藥品、醫材，主委，是不是這樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:28.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:32.609000+08:00","text":"如果我們生病就醫，全民健保後，後面這三個會出來嘛！對。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:32.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:39.634000+08:00","text":"但是如果我們要運動，促進身體健康，提升體適能，落實預防醫學，是不是就跑出了另外一個叫做運動健康產業？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:40.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:42.616000+08:00","text":"我看後面黃次長點頭點得很用力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:43.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:45.056000+08:00","text":"請問就醫或運動哪一個是真正的健康？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:45.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:49.137000+08:00","text":"主委，如果給你選，你要選擇就醫還是選擇運動？運動。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:49.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:50.538000+08:00","text":"當然，所以就在這裡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:51.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:00.301000+08:00","text":"所以我們要提高人口品質，提高人口競爭力，擴大發展運動健康產業，提升我們的健康餘命，就可以提高我們人口的健康品質，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:00.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:04.002000+08:00","text":"如果我們的健康餘命提升，我們全民的全生涯生產力會不會提高？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:05.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:07.392000+08:00","text":"好，這就是增加我們全國人口的生產競爭力。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:07.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:16.016000+08:00","text":"所以如果運動產業可以變成運動健康產業，提高健康餘命，請問國發會有沒有做過統計，可以提升多少競爭力、減少多少醫療資源的損耗？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:16.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:17.257000+08:00","text":"有沒有做過研究？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:18.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:18.798000+08:00","text":"這部分還沒有，但是我們……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:19.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:20.178000+08:00","text":"還沒有，要趕快做。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:21.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:27.882000+08:00","text":"好，但是我們國發基金其實有在想預防醫學這一塊是可以推廣一下。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:28.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:39.670000+08:00","text":"但是今天我們不談醫學，我們談運動，這是我們召委排這個題目的意思，所以我想把運動跟健康連在一起，事實上對國發會來講，是國家的目標之一，好不好？好。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:39.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:53.400000+08:00","text":"接著往下看，我們請教一下何次長，運動健康產業製造跟服務兼顧，讓你來猜猜看，如果我們擴大發展運動健康產業，製造業是不是有一些穿戴裝置或者一些體能的監測儀器？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:54.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:56.482000+08:00","text":"這是經濟部熟悉的產業面，對不對？是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:56.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:59.384000+08:00","text":"但是在服務面上會有健康管理的需求，對不對？對。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:59.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:01.325000+08:00","text":"會有專業教練服務，對不對？是。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:01.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:02.846000+08:00","text":"請問這個部分經濟部使得上力嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:04.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:06.386000+08:00","text":"這個部分，其實我們現在有一些業者……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:06.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:08.327000+08:00","text":"好像比較跟運動部、跟教育部有關。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:08.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:16.073000+08:00","text":"是，但是我們也有結合醫療機構做一些比方健康管理平台，有些業者他們也做了……","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:17.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:32.965000+08:00","text":"所以你發現在服務面上好像有點脫離了經濟部擅長的製造業的範疇，進入商業、服務業的領域，需要運動部跟教育部共同合作，包括人才的培養，包括一些標準的制訂，對不對？對。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:32.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:35.406000+08:00","text":"後面黃次長有點頭了，因為標準的制訂是他們運動部的。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:36.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:40.228000+08:00","text":"所以我來請教一下，你知不知道有個商業發展研究院？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:40.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:43.189000+08:00","text":"你知道他們有做運動健康產業的發展嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:43.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:47.250000+08:00","text":"他們去東京考察，他們還提供了建言，請問經濟部有沒有收到這份報告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:48.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:55.053000+08:00","text":"商業發展研究院的運動健康智慧服務研究所協助政府推動運動、大健康產業，有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:56.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:56.913000+08:00","text":"我回去了解一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:58.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:07.079000+08:00","text":"報告有給經濟部，只是很遺憾地，請問一下次長，你知道工研院一年的預算規模多少嗎？294億。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:07.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:09.040000+08:00","text":"我寫出來了，應該跟你的認知差不多。是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:10.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:10.560000+08:00","text":"經濟部貢獻多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:12.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:12.480000+08:00","text":"相當多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:12.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:13.181000+08:00","text":"非常多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:13.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:16.821000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，你知道商研院的預算規模多少嗎？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:16.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:17.082000+08:00","text":"上面寫3億元。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:18.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:18.922000+08:00","text":"對，零頭都不到啊！是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:20.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:21.683000+08:00","text":"可是我們看一下工業人口占全國多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:21.683000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:23.103000+08:00","text":"三成五。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:23.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:23.623000+08:00","text":"服務業人口呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:23.623000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:25.464000+08:00","text":"六成五。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:25.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:30.585000+08:00","text":"經濟部，你會不會覺得你這兩個智庫是不是要再多加強哪一個？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:30.585000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:31.609000+08:00","text":"當然，商研院的預算也是來自於很多經濟部等部會的委託。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:31.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:36.490000+08:00","text":"對，所以我的意思就很清楚了，我們今天談運動產業，不要狹隘地定義在競技型、觀賞型的運動，要思考到對國家競爭力、生產力有幫助的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:37.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:54.936000+08:00","text":"我的結論是，國發會評估運動健康產業可以提升多少人口競爭力？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:55.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:55.797000+08:00","text":"減少多少醫療資源？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:56.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:56.418000+08:00","text":"可不可以評估？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:58.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:02.583000+08:00","text":"國發會，可不可以很快地給我一個簡單的報告，讓我知道你們有在進行研究？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:04.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:05.645000+08:00","text":"好，會後我們……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:05.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:06.026000+08:00","text":"大概多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:06.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:07.427000+08:00","text":"一個月、兩個月、三個月？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:07.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:08.648000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