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不只是這些防火牆等等這些問題我這邊法規我秀出來了 按照這個自動安全責任等級辦法第四條"},{"start":345.701,"end":359.349,"text":"資通安全等級你們是A級A級是什麼第一個你剛剛講的涉及業務涉及國家機密這是剛剛講的包括很多有國防機密等等另外業務涉及全國性民眾服務及跨公務機關共用性質"},{"start":362.671,"end":383.418,"text":"的資通系統陳情人的個資再來就是個資陳情人公務員所有的個資都在你們電腦裡面我們監察院的資安是被列為A級這是全國最重要的但是不只你剛剛講的防火牆你按照這個資通安全等級辦法他第11條的這個付表"},{"start":386.104,"end":397.046,"text":"他有要求你們這些A7機關有很多事情要做啊不只是防火牆啊你們要必須要全部核心自動系統要導入CNS27001或者是ISO的27001"},{"start":399.179,"end":424.16,"text":"你們必須要獲得這些軟硬體授權你們還必須做這個完成第三方驗證這是依法法定你們資通安全該做的事情委員非常專業這都是我們資安上面必須要去達標的但是這些都需要預算來協助同仁去建置起來那怎麼辦才有足夠的安全性那今年怎麼辦我們的資安長來跟您回應一下"},{"start":426.831,"end":440.472,"text":"報告委員其實就是向委員所秀出來的我們是A級機關我們有這樣子的法定義務那去年因為都沒有任何的預算所以本來我們應該做ISO認證的去年就沒有處理所以去年就沒有做了沒有處理"},{"start":440.953,"end":462.034,"text":"一年沒有做 今年有辦法做嗎我們就是因為有一點點的追加所以我們用追加的預算 趕快今年再把它處理可以全部處理嗎 我剛講認證第三棒 認證這些授權今年我們要做 我們一定要做你們這個齁 這個就是"},{"start":465.08,"end":486.815,"text":"我們法律要求我們監察院我們的治安必須要做到最高等級但是我們立法院卻給你們最低幾乎是零預算了簡單講幾乎是幾乎不給你們這個自動安全的預算我們即使是依照去年的執行數三成可是我們每個月的動資數也是有限所以在這個部分我們還是明顯不足"},{"start":489.036,"end":515.732,"text":"其他政府機關大家省吃儉用大家就維持基本運作可以是因為沒有像你們監察院被砍到剩下三成你們這三成 結果你們去年三成就已經已經幾乎無法營運了今年還要再維持這樣子的執行數資訊 我講這個資訊安全 另外這牽涉到我們所有所有我們監察院頭 不管我們"},{"start":516.912,"end":528.402,"text":"在野黨立委怎麼樣看待監察院監察委員的職權但是我們監察院有這麼多的公務人員在監察院裡面上班有關於消防安全消防安全的預算"},{"start":531.387,"end":556.64,"text":"對 我們這個消防設備已經大概是27年前的非常老 民國76年到將近60年的老舊 40年的老舊設備了所以這個設備本來是預計在去年要進行更新啦我看你們預算是4300萬被砍 被砍掉之後這個案子沒辦法做所以有時候就會產生一些消防上的疑慮這個齁"},{"start":559.501,"end":588.264,"text":"監察院非常特殊啦我們立法院你說中心大樓怎麼樣就算你們監察院還是古蹟啊是古蹟啊你們去年一年沒有經費維護這個古蹟一年兩年今年再按照去年的預算執行數還是沒有辦法維持這個古蹟再加上消防安全牽涉到所有在裡面工作的公務人員的這個性命安全結果我們立法院這樣子"},{"start":590.758,"end":614.356,"text":"這樣子在虐待我們這些在現場上班公務人員真的要請大院在預算上面來體恤到我們在現場工作的所有同仁他的業務上的需要 他的環境安全衛生的需要 請大院多支持辦公環境的安全 消防的防護 基本設施的維護更遑論你們是個古蹟"},{"start":616.486,"end":625.839,"text":"這種公共安全的需求它是有即時性的而且如果一發生任何的意外我們監察院真的是會非常的遺憾這個剛剛講資安消防這個都是你們監察院的人"},{"start":635.523,"end":641.848,"text":"秘書長,今年是選舉,去年有沒有選舉?去年沒有選舉今年是選舉年啊,選舉年你們多了多少業務?政治獻金還有所謂財產申報相關的業務按照政治獻金法你們就是受理政治獻金申報的機關啊"},{"start":657.813,"end":662.896,"text":"沒有選舉你們就沒有這個業務但是今年是選舉年按照過去的選舉我調了107年107年這個政治現金專戶就2305戶111年有2306戶"},{"start":678.544,"end":703.192,"text":"我們今年大概會有一萬多個候選人 預估啦一萬多個候選人對 一萬多個候選人 每個人都要但是你們只能按照去年的預算來執行 去年有這條預算嗎都砍掉了那怎麼辦 我們的這些政治獻金大家就可以隨便報在這裡先預告所有的候選人 今年監察院沒有預算可以審大家的政治獻金了大家隨便報也不會像柯文哲這種下場啦"},{"start":704.349,"end":729.404,"text":"是這樣嗎我們還是會盡力去維護但是要真的請大院給予支持讓這筆預算能夠通過讓我們能夠在今年年底大選的時候政治現金相關的審查能夠落實再加上還有就是所有公職人員的財產申報能夠落實那當然這就是屬於候選人以及公職人員的權利在這裡利用這個機會因為我們監察院"},{"start":733.286,"end":746.821,"text":"要來這個立法院列席的機會並不多所以我今天利用這個機會我事實上希望說我們委員會大家所有不分黨派的委員大家可以理解這不是你們政治立場上面你們"},{"start":747.996,"end":768.851,"text":"你們對憲政機關有什麼意見而是這裡面我剛剛所講的這些資訊安全這些消防安全甚至今年選舉年有關政治獻金跟這個財產申報的這些相關事務今年選舉年去年的預算去年就算預算完成百分之百通過今年還是要多這些業務結果現在只能動用預算的30%"},{"start":775.188,"end":790.048,"text":"所以我是在這裡成人也讓社會大家了解目前今年入的中央政府總預算到現在還不審查到現在還不審查連協商都不協商它所造成的後果"},{"start":791.857,"end":813.887,"text":"所造成的後果我們在監察院上面看得最最最清楚啦他對國家安全對於對於這個國家資訊安全對於這整個選舉的這些這些陽光法案的執行他的影響之大在這裡希望齁我們本委員會的委員齁大家能夠有共同有所提認啦齁大家黨派立場不同沒關係一切以國家為重啦齁謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:41.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:56.649000+08:00","text":"主席，有請秘書長。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:56.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:56.669000+08:00","text":"有請秘書長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:56.669000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:01.902000+08:00","text":"沈委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:01.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:04.342000+08:00","text":"秘書長好，我們是老同事了。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:06.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:06.783000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，請多指教。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:09.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:23.889000+08:00","text":"在這個可以說是監察院風雨飄搖的時刻，你還在這個時候來承擔，在這邊先跟你說聲辛苦了！謝謝。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:27.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:50.923000+08:00","text":"我今天主要要請教秘書長的是，到目前為止，115年度的中央政府總預算，也就是今年度的總預算到現在還沒有審查，依法它是要在去年12月31日之前就審查完竣，但是到現在還沒有審查。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:52.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:57.621000+08:00","text":"如果還沒有審查，我們現在要怎麼辦，就是按照預算法第五十四條來處理？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:58.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:17.724000+08:00","text":"沒錯，就是依去年的執行數，我們今年繼續執行，可是我們去年的執行數，因為去年預算的刪減，後來雖然經過大院給予追加減預算及動用第二預備金，但是整個業務費的執行數大概也占全年的三成左右而已。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:17.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:53.342000+08:00","text":"我現在要講的就是這個，按照預算法第五十四條第一項第二款第二目，因為今年度的預算到現在還沒有審查，所以所有的政府機關都必須按照預算法第五十四條，也就是說，你們只能按照上年度的基準去動支，而且除了已獲授權的原訂計畫外，還要按照上年度的執行數下去覈實動支。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:57.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:38:37.317000+08:00","text":"至於其他的行政機關，目前雖然所有的新興計畫、政府該做的一些新的建樹都沒有辦法動，各個機關就按照預算法第五十四條規定，依去年的執行數來覈實動支，不過要維持政府的基本功能大致上是沒有問題，但是我看到監察院的預算，你們去（114）年度的預算就被砍到剩下差不多三成，是不是？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:38:37.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:38:46.540000+08:00","text":"對，一開始砍剩下百分之四而已，後來大院有追加，追加到最後補足的大概有三成多一點。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:38:46.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:38:49.201000+08:00","text":"本來預算審查的時候，你們是被砍96%啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:38:49.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:38:49.901000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:38:49.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:39:00.204000+08:00","text":"如果沒有追加預算的話，你們要用這4%的經費維持去年一年，這也就算了，今年你們還要照這4%下去運作，是這個意思對不對？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:39:01.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:39:02.105000+08:00","text":"對，是這個意思，謝謝委員點出這個重大問題。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:39:02.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:39:30.192000+08:00","text":"後來追加之後，你們大概差不多到三成、30%，我看你們115年度所提出的預算是3億2,400萬左右，但是按照預算法第五十四條，你們可以動支的剩下1億2萬，從3億變1億，只剩1億！","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:39:30.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:39:31.733000+08:00","text":"對，一億多出頭而已。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:39:33.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:39:42.086000+08:00","text":"這個包括你們的一般行政、議事業務、財產申報業務、國家人權業務，我還不談資本門喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:39:43.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:39:47.050000+08:00","text":"光經常門就幾乎是動彈不得了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:39:47.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:39:55.597000+08:00","text":"是，其實這裡面也包含很多我們同仁工作上的需要，譬如電費、環境的維護等等。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:39:58.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:40:01.222000+08:00","text":"有一些東西大家辛苦……我知道其實很辛苦啦！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:40:01.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:40:11.851000+08:00","text":"你們水電什麼的也都沒辦法運作，但這些都還是其次，你們有一些真正嚴重的問題，我今天就是要跟你談這些嚴重的問題。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:40:11.851000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T09:40:12.851000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員點出這個問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:40:11.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:40:34.757000+08:00","text":"第一個，按照資通安全管理法所授權的資通安全責任等級分級辦法，監察院是屬於什麼樣的機關？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:40:34.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:40:35.157000+08:00","text":"哪一級的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:40:37.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:40:37.698000+08:00","text":"資安A級的機關。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:40:38.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:40:38.639000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:40:38.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:40:42.480000+08:00","text":"監察院資訊安全的重要性在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:40:42.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:41:17.632000+08:00","text":"跟大院報告，監察人員在調查案件的時候，許多案件會牽扯到國家重要機密，包括國防機密以及國安機密在內，最後這些機密資料以機密的方式傳遞給我們之後，我們也必須要保存在院裡面，尤其許多也是在電腦系統裡面，這就有資安上面我們要維護的問題，如果沒有足夠的經費建立足夠的防火牆等相關防護機制的時候，在資安上面也會造成許多的……","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:41:17.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:41:29.123000+08:00","text":"秘書長，不只是防火牆等等這些問題，我這邊有把法規show出來，按照資通安全責任等級分級辦法第四條，你們資通安全等級是A級啦！","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:41:29.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:41:29.903000+08:00","text":"A級是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:41:29.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:41:45.011000+08:00","text":"第一個，業務涉及國家機密，就是你剛剛講的，包括很多有國防機密等等；另外，業務涉及全國性民眾服務或跨公務機關共用性資通系統。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:41:45.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:41:46.592000+08:00","text":"對，陳情人的個資。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:41:46.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:41:51.413000+08:00","text":"對，再來就是個資，陳情人、公務員所有的個資都在你們電腦裡面。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:41:51.413000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T09:41:52.734000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:41:52.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:41:56.695000+08:00","text":"所以監察院的資安是被列為A級，就是全國最重要的。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:41:58.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:42:30.648000+08:00","text":"其實不只你剛剛講的防火牆，按照資通安全責任等級分級辦法第十一條的附表，他有要求你們這些A級機關做很多事情，不只是防火牆，你們還必須全部核心資通系統要導入CNS 27001或ISO 27001等，你們必須要獲得這些軟硬體的授權，還必須完成第三方驗證，這是依法、法定你們資通安全該做的事情。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:42:30.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:42:41.577000+08:00","text":"對，委員非常專業，這就是我們資安上面必須要去達標的，但是這些都需要預算來協助同仁去建置起來，才有足夠的安全性。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:42:42.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:42:43.399000+08:00","text":"那怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:42:43.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:42:45.140000+08:00","text":"我特別請資安長來跟您回應一下。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T09:42:47.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:00.050000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實就像委員所show出來的，我們是A級機關，我們有這樣子的法定義務，但去年因為都沒有任何的預算，所以本來我們該做ISO認證的，去年就沒有處理。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:00.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:01.152000+08:00","text":"所以去年就沒有做了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:01.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:01.452000+08:00","text":"沒有處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:01.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:05.517000+08:00","text":"一年沒有做，今年有辦法做嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:05.517000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:06.898000+08:00","text":"今年我們用追加……","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:06.898000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:08.279000+08:00","text":"按照預算法第五十四條。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:08.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:13.805000+08:00","text":"因為有一點點的追加，所以我們用追加的預算，今年趕快再把它處理。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:14.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:16.448000+08:00","text":"可以全部處理嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:16.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:19.251000+08:00","text":"包括我剛剛講的這些第三方認證、授權……","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:19.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:22.274000+08:00","text":"有，今年我們要做，一定要做。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:26.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:40.049000+08:00","text":"法律要求監察院的資安必須做到最高等級，但是立法院卻給你們最低、幾乎是零預算，簡單講，幾乎是不給你們資通安全的預算。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:40.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:43:47.795000+08:00","text":"我們即使是依照去年執行數的三成，可是我們每個月的動支數也是有限，所以在這個部分，我們還是明顯不足。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:43:50.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:44:11.329000+08:00","text":"其他政府機關省吃儉用還可以維持基本運作，是因為沒有像監察院被砍到剩下三成，結果你們去年三成就已經幾乎無法營運了，今年還要再維持這樣的執行數，我講的是資訊安全。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:44:11.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:44:29.381000+08:00","text":"另外，這牽涉到所有監察院裡頭，不管在野黨立委怎麼樣看待監察院、監察委員的職權，但是有這麼多公務人員在監察院裡面上班，有關於消防安全的預算……","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:44:32.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:44:47.875000+08:00","text":"對，消防設備大概是27年前的，非常老了，是民國76年、將近40年的老舊設備，這個設備本來是預計在去年要進行更新，結果後來因為去年全部砍掉……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:44:48.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:44:51.157000+08:00","text":"我看你們的預算是4,300萬，被砍到……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:44:51.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:44:57.640000+08:00","text":"被砍掉之後，這個案子沒辦法做，所以有時候就會產生一些消防上的疑慮。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:45:00.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:45:06.286000+08:00","text":"監察院非常特殊，我們立法院，你說中興大樓怎麼樣就算了，你們監察院還是古蹟耶！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:45:08.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:45:35.721000+08:00","text":"你們去年一年沒有經費維護這個古蹟，今年是按照去年的預算執行數，還是沒辦法維護這個古蹟，再加上消防安全牽涉到所有在裡面工作的公務人員的生命安全，結果我們立法院這樣子在虐待這些在監察院上班的公務人員！","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:45:35.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:45:48.111000+08:00","text":"真的要請大院在預算上面體恤我們在現場工作的所有同仁，業務上的需要和環境安全、衛生的需要，這個要請大院多支持。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:45:48.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:45:55.356000+08:00","text":"這牽涉到辦公環境的安全、消防的防護、基本設施的維護，更遑論你們是個古蹟！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:45:57.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:45:59.489000+08:00","text":"這種公共安全的需求是有即時性的！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T09:46:01.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:46:05.577000+08:00","text":"對，而且一發生任何意外，我們監察院真的是會非常遺憾，擔當不起啦！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:46:05.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:46:06.519000+08:00","text":"剛剛講資安、消防，這都是你們監察院……","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-15T09:46:16.523000+08:00","gue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