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SILO一堆然後我們看不到overall的整體的成效我不希望我關懷的運動科技也會走到這一步因為趁現在還早"},{"start":256.892,"end":276.948,"text":"可以嗎好這個拜託兩位部要合作一下再來在運動部底下的話有國家運動科學中心這個當然就是用科學的方式訓練選手不管是在醫療照護數據的收集等等但是呢在審計部這裡頭說你們蓋的這個大樓19.6億嘗試算一點人才這些到底現在有沒有到位這審計部的審計問題來請教次長"},{"start":286.789,"end":295.878,"text":"目前他們的人力編制上面應該是達到80%左右的一個人力配置他們目前的最主要的任務還是針對我們培訓隊在運動科學檢測上面提供了詳細的偵測他們內部也做了一個數據的個人的資料庫跟一個數據平台來統整"},{"start":306.429,"end":328.338,"text":"平時測到的這些數據作為個人資料的一個追蹤我為什麼會這樣子問因為在你的運動部的轄下底下除了病科中心之外你們還有一個籌設的叫運動產業發展中心還是運動訓練中心這大家比較國訓中心這大家比較清楚那運動產業的發展很多就是跟你剛剛講這些資料"},{"start":329.859,"end":346.11,"text":"科學東西有關所以我希望這兩個中心要好好合作也就是說在運科中心裡頭所做的這些的選手們的醫療的檢測數據的收集那麼到了這個地方也就是我常講的就是"},{"start":347.216,"end":354.625,"text":"我們資料治理是運動科技的一個核心是那我可能也希望這個我們的這個聖人節我們的這個運動的這個發展中心能夠好好擔負起這個任務因為"},{"start":362.915,"end":385.048,"text":"運動科技最終你還是要跟經濟部合作整個在這裡頭我們希望做的是我們運動產業的科技的大腦然後你可以負責不管是民間的技術帶到運科還是我們運科裡頭針對我們這些特殊項目的這些選手的訓練的數據是可以把它open出這些data然後承接到我們的這些AI的一個應用"},{"start":385.828,"end":410.616,"text":"那這樣子帶到經濟部裡頭去不管你是在我們的這也是要問經濟部的就是說在我們的自行車ICT硬體到底哪一些是我們可以把它應用起來所以我今天是帶著期許那我也告訴各位過去的計畫就是最前面的overall還是要有人去管控那不管是經濟部或者是運動部不要仰賴國歌 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