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兩個月好不好"},{"start":605.184,"end":630.852,"text":"兩個月跟委員報告這真的是因為我們現在有國家人權委員會他本身在做那在這個體制下要怎麼樣這個兒童監察室怎麼樣去融合跟全國的行政機關之間因為這到底有一個有一個五院的分權等等的問題在內當然就是說我們立委都比較希望能夠更快有結果你們兩個月就是就算沒有結論也可以先給我一個報告好不好可以可以謝謝謝謝委員指教謝謝好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:03:12+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:03:13+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，有請黃秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:03:12.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:03:12.169000+08:00","text":"有請黃秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:03:34.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:03:35.006000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:03:35.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:03:35.186000+08:00","text":"秘書長早安。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:03:36.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:04:01.911000+08:00","text":"今天我主要是要跟你請教兒童監察使的部分，首先要肯定監察院調查兒虐跟校園性平事件有非常多的突破跟貢獻，你們相關的報告我都有閱讀，也讓我在質詢相關部會缺失的時候，有了一個可以改善的依據。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:04:02.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:04:33.131000+08:00","text":"這兩起案子，包括戲曲學院的性侵案，還有臺大舍監性平案，監察院在這方面的貢獻可以說是可圈可點，但是我也非常憂慮，因為新聞媒體披露，還有我們在立法院看到，114年度的預算案，你們的業務費遭刪96%，以致你們沒有辦法好好行使職權，後來我看到你們有提出釋憲案。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:04:33.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:04:42.397000+08:00","text":"我想知道的是，國家人權委員會的執行效能是不是有因此受到限制？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:04:42.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:04:57.385000+08:00","text":"因為我看到最近兩公約，連國際審查委員都關注了預算問題，這是他們在2025年12月提交的問題清單，不曉得人權會的執行效能有沒有受到限制？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:04:57.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:04:59.806000+08:00","text":"如果有受到限制，是哪方面的限制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:05:00.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:05:06.314000+08:00","text":"首先謝謝委員關心這個話題，這個話題對監察院的影響非常巨大。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:05:07.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:05:34.217000+08:00","text":"我首先概括性的向委員報告，我們整個院，當然包括國家人權委員會職權的行使，都受到非常非常大的限制，因為真的太多對於……包括您剛才提示、關心的兒少問題，以及我們許多的報告等等，這些都受到了衝擊，相關細節我是不是請國家人權委員會執行秘書來跟你報告受到哪些衝擊？","quality":0.991},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:05:34.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:05:38.358000+08:00","text":"因為時間有限，可以30秒內告訴我嗎？好的。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:05:38.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:05:45.221000+08:00","text":"我知道我們的總預算未審，也會使得你們的預算必須比照去年，可以一併說明嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:05:45.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:05:47.783000+08:00","text":"謝謝，請在30秒之內。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"鄒執行秘書筱涵","start":"2026-04-15T10:05:48.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:06:15.929000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關切這個議題，我快速報告一下，在我們今年度要辦理的業務裡面，比方像兩公約、CEDAW以及CRPD的國際審查，針對這部分我們有撰寫獨立評估意見，過去這些獨立評估意見可以把它轉譯成簡易版、易讀版、點字版之類的，可是現在都沒有辦法，其實它會影響一些身心障礙者在了解這些議題上面的權利。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"鄒執行秘書筱涵","start":"2026-04-15T10:06:15.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:06:33.341000+08:00","text":"第二個，其實我們今年有通過一個調查案，就是針對身心障礙者搭乘大眾運輸工具時遭受歧視的調查案，可是因為沒有預算，所以目前是暫緩執行。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"鄒執行秘書筱涵","start":"2026-04-15T10:06:34.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:06:52.400000+08:00","text":"此外，像今年3月31號到4月2號會舉辦全球國家人權機構聯盟會議，雖然我們不是聯合國的會員，但其實它每一次都會有一些side event是我們可以參與的，但是因為今年也沒有這些經費，所以目前都是暫停。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"鄒執行秘書筱涵","start":"2026-04-15T10:06:53.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:07:07.532000+08:00","text":"這幾個就是我們現在很明顯面臨的，接下來就是要面對CRC國際公約的審查，其實這部分在召開專家諮詢等等目前都會有一些困難，可能都必須要透過視訊等方式來辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:07:08.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:07:10.433000+08:00","text":"了解，至少我聽到的就是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:07:11.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:07:13.554000+08:00","text":"委員，是不是容我補充一句話？好。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:07:13.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:07:33.643000+08:00","text":"剛才執秘所報告的這些內容都是由大院所通過的國家人權委員會組織法所制定的法定職權，因為我們真的受到重大的衝擊，因此沒有辦法把大院所列的這些法定職權非常順利地執行。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:07:35.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:08:04.617000+08:00","text":"我聽到的就是預算業務費遭刪96%，然後加上今年的總預算至今未審，所以你們必須要依照去年，至少已經使得身心障礙者的權益受傷，也使得兒童權利公約的相關國際交流沒辦法依原本期待的方式進行，我真的覺得非常遺憾，也希望在今天下午召開的政黨協商當中，至少能夠讓預算的部分順利付委。","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:06.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:08:46.310000+08:00","text":"延續我剛剛關心的兒虐及兒童權益的問題，我想秘書長你也有看到這幾年兒童權益真的是不斷地有事件發生，包含今年臺中國小棒球教練性侵案，兩年前也有南投前國小校長性侵案，之前還有資優班狼師性侵案，更早還有南投兒少安置機構性侵案，這些都還是發生在國家的機構，因為這些學校都是公立的學校，安置機構也都有得到相關部會的支持及管理。沒錯。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:46.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:08:49.810000+08:00","text":"我有個看法，是不是能夠設立獨立的兒童監督單位？","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:53.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:08:57.913000+08:00","text":"這部分想要請教監察院的意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:57.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:09:14.739000+08:00","text":"因為我看到CRC國家報告的國際審查意見中，其中第十五項提到委員會建議應該儘速依照聯合國兒童權益委員會第2號一般性意見成立國家人權機構，這個你們已經有了……有了。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:09:16.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:09:42.173000+08:00","text":"並內設監督兒童權益專責單位，或是成立兒童監察使辦公室或者是設置兒童權益委員，所以國際審查委員的意見覺得你們裡面可以設置兒童權益專責機構，或者是兒童監察使，立法院早在12年前就通過兒童權益公約，2002年CRC委員會就提出兒童監察使這個意見了。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:09:45.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:10:14.951000+08:00","text":"我想再給您看各國的例子，我這邊有列出挪威是全球第一個有這個做法的，它是在1981年，瑞典在1993年也有兒童監察使及專法，波蘭也有專法，愛爾蘭也是有專法及兒童監察使，他不只是監督，還有做政策建議、社會教育，日本則有地方層級的，韓國有中央到地方層級的推動。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:10:17.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:10:32.783000+08:00","text":"你們今天有提到希望本院能夠審查相關法規，所以我想請教有沒有可能由你們來評估將兒童監察使放在監察院裡面的可行性？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:10:33.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:10:34.985000+08:00","text":"這樣也能夠符合CRC的人權規範。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:10:36.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:00.685000+08:00","text":"因為現在很多的師生問題，不管是霸凌或者是性侵爭議都沒有第三方的調查，目前還是在學校裡頭，那能不能有獨立的第三方兒童權益監察專責機制，能夠專門監察兒童權利的落實情況，也能夠支持符合國際兒童公約的兒童表意等權利呢？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:01.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:03.047000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有可能去做一個評估？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:04.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:08.832000+08:00","text":"委員剛才的質詢裡面有分兩個層次，我就以這兩個層次來回答。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:09.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:36.113000+08:00","text":"第一個層次是針對目前臺灣制度上面的建議，其實在2021年到2025年之間，監察院總共完成112件關於兒少人權的調查報告，我看通篇的重點就是指摘政府要加強的地方往往就是所謂的通報機制相關的建立要完善，這是第一個。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:37.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:38.854000+08:00","text":"第二個在法制上面……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:38.854000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:40.224500+08:00","text":"容我打斷，回到你們的制度面好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:40.224500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:41.595000+08:00","text":"有沒有這個可能性？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:41.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:12:19.013000+08:00","text":"就法制上面，剛才委員一直呼籲要成立兒童監察使這樣的概念，因為這件事情涉及到整體制度性的改變及修法，其實相關功能我們的國家人權委員會已經把它全部都負擔起來了，未來如果要成立專責以兒童為目標的監察使或相關機關構，因為這樣的概念事涉到法制，是不是容我們回去在內部做更進一步的研討，才有辦法對委員做正式的說明？","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:12:20.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:12:29.702000+08:00","text":"因為我看到的資料是你們過去有評估過，但是這幾年兒童權益被傷害的情況跟你們當年評估的情況已經不可同日而語……","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:12:29.702000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:12:30.702000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝您的指教。","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-15T10:12:30.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:12:34.906000+08:00","text":"尤其是少子化，所以大家特別重視兒童權益，我們在國際兒童公約的對話上也比過去更精進，所以是不是能夠……","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓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