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沉入剛剛委員所提的一個部分那因應油價的部分公路客運本身的費率裡面有內建這個因應油價臨時費率調漲機制就是CRF那這個CRF的部分是按照月平均的才有價格來做一個處理"},{"start":322.916,"end":349.813,"text":"那目前大概就是說以3月1號到3月底這個平均才有價格大概是28.3那但是目前這個CRF調整的這個門檻大概是29.6那相信大概這個如果以4月份的這個平均價格的話大概在5月就會碰到那這個部分的話我相信公會大概會啟動這個CRF這樣子的一個這一個機制那未來他們送進來的時候那我們會跟這個公"},{"start":352.194,"end":377.64,"text":"工會來做一個討論會依照程序來做處理他有一個匯率的調整機制當然啦是由政府來補貼相關的票價的這些落差那相關的我們預計啊如果說這半年公路客運相關的除了時程之外除了機制之外相關的經費來源啊你們有沒有做過評估大概需要多少錢"},{"start":379.361,"end":404.602,"text":"這個部分大概有試算過如果說以5月到今年12月按照這樣子這個因為我跟各位報告一下如果啟動的話大概就是超過29.6就要啟動但是下一次再啟動的話就要那個油價就要平均達到39點多那所以如果按照這個5月份這樣子來啟動到這個12月的話大概今年所需要的經費大概是1.21億"},{"start":406.684,"end":431.957,"text":"大概一億左右啦那現在我們討論到計程車計程車有八萬九千多輛都是燃油的這些汽車那他們也非常的辛苦他也是准大眾運輸工具那我們在過去都是採取油價責讓就是發行油卡讓他們直接來進行抵扣那相關的這一次的機制有沒有納入計程車"},{"start":432.737,"end":437.151,"text":"那相關的預算大概要多少 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我說的是過去啦如果是以那個機制來推的話現在如果要來推行的話一個月大概是1.9億左右的這個預算必須要來質疑"},{"start":478.24,"end":496.026,"text":"那整體來說在今年如果從五月開始大概就需要大概十億以上的相關的預算大概就是接近這個數字所以我們現在整體都在估算因為包含這個公路客運包含計程車包含其他的公共運輸體系在內我們整體都在做檢討"},{"start":497.986,"end":526.499,"text":"另外部長我要提醒你我們是用海空運輸當然常常需要到他國來進行油料的一個補充那在油料價格跟供應穩定方面它其實更容易受到波動的一個影響導致運輸成本的增加那相關的運輸成本也會連帶的影響到進口的原料的原物料的這些價格所以在民生油料的補貼之外"},{"start":527.259,"end":544.074,"text":"我們也要針對海空運輸的成本要進行觀測來研究是否相關的成本補助我們有沒有可以協助的一個空間而且要確保這些國際原物料運輸的品質跟它的一個價格的穩定"},{"start":544.815,"end":570.838,"text":"那這個部分部長簡單說明一下我們有沒有做這樣的一個先期的規劃不管是空運或者是海運的部分我們都密切在關注整體油價對於運價的這個影響那委員剛剛所關心的例如說進口的這個原物料成本會不會因此而增加目前看起來進口的這個原物料的這個運費它提漲的這個幅度相當的低不高反而是出口的成長的比較高那空運的部分目前聽起來"},{"start":572.199,"end":600.737,"text":"不管是進口或出口啦空運的部分當然進口跟出口的量也不多但其實目前的這個調漲的幅度都是業者可以接受的範圍之內所以目前對於物價的影響應該不大部長我要提醒你要跟公共工程委員會密切的聯繫就是說讓物價的平穩機制能夠確實的落行之外要確保短期之內我們這些價格波動不要影響到公共工程的品質跟它相關的一個期程是"},{"start":601.437,"end":617.625,"text":"那最後我覺得我們要建立多元能源的一個供應的方式各交通領域直接受影響的程度當然不一直接影響的當然有私人運具或者是客戶運的部分"},{"start":618.365,"end":642.147,"text":"那間接影響當然是像電力台鐵高鐵等等的這些軌道設施但是國際燃料供應跟價格波動他當然會影響到電力的供需以及相關的價格那交通部其實應該是要減少燃料的供應依賴啦要減少依賴建立多元能源的一個供應的管道提高這種"},{"start":643.43,"end":668.443,"text":"承擔能源風險的一個能力那台電報告在這種場站要建立再生能源發電的系統跟搭配微電網可以在電力中斷的時候提供必要的這種電力的供應那目前交通部各場站的這種多元能源的這種供應進度交通部有沒有進行相關的規劃來說明一下"},{"start":669.904,"end":690.634,"text":"像委員報告這個部分其實我們都有做相關的討論跟規劃那目前委員在提的這個微電網的部分在能源有需求或中斷的時候可以再做電力供應像我們的電動巴士的這個場站他們大概有一些場站有做這樣子的設置有做這樣的設計那其他的部分我們還陸續在推廣當中"},{"start":691.815,"end":711.047,"text":"最後我有幾個建議就是說我們各交通系統的廠站在設計階段要納入節能的設計改建階段將建物的節能也要納入考量現有的廠站我們要如何增進這種能源自主例如很多廠站可以設置這種屋頂的"},{"start":712.228,"end":740.713,"text":"太陽能板以及都市熱能的回收等等那我們各運輸系統也要必須妥善的利用相關的廠站的空間這都是我們交通部跟各部門必須要全力的一個推動的一個政策方向最後讓部長再簡單說明一下是 報告委員尤其您所提到的這個太陽能板的部分其實我們都陸續在推動包含您看得到的我們交通體系的廠站幾乎能夠裝的盡量都裝那還有就是我們"},{"start":742.173,"end":759.274,"text":"高速公路的服務區服務區現在也開始大量在裝置這個太陽能板我們也要盡量朝向能源自主的部分這個我們正在努力要確保相關的對於公共運輸的這種穩定都是交通部重要的責任好 謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:26:02.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:26:13.681000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請中油公司方董事長、能源署吳代理署長、交通部陳世凱部長以及林福山局長。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T09:26:13.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:26:15.744000+08:00","text":"請方董事長、吳代理署長、陳部長、林局長。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:26:19.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:26:41.775000+08:00","text":"我先請教一下中油公司方董事長，燃料供應穩定以及價格問題，當然是國人目前很關注的議題，在確保供應方面，國際的處理慣例大概就是尋找替代路線，或者是其他國家的供應來源。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:26:42.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:26:51.006000+08:00","text":"我記得方董事長在4月8日說過，中油也在處理並協調相關的替代路線以及其他的供應來源。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:26:51.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:26:53.509000+08:00","text":"目前的進度、狀況是如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:26:54.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:26:54.751000+08:00","text":"請說明一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T09:26:56.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:26:56.579000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T09:26:57.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:27:22.135000+08:00","text":"說明一下，替代來源的部分，從非洲以及在地中海區域，或者是在澳洲，都是我們尋找的替代來源，這部分也有一些成就，包含從亞塞拜然、包含從阿曼或者是澳洲，當然美國是我們原油進口的主要來源。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T09:27:24.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:27:50.893000+08:00","text":"替代路線的部分，因為我們從沙烏地阿拉伯買原油占了蠻多的比例，但是他的原油沒辦法輸出，所以沙烏地阿拉伯就拉一條管線，他有管線可以從紅海這邊輸出，我們也陸續跟他在接洽，看我們的原油輪能不能從紅海這邊裝運以後，從曼德海峽出來。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:27:50.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:27:57.875000+08:00","text":"好，也要請方董事長確保這些相關來源的穩定，以及替代路線的協調狀況，必須要穩定這些相關的狀況。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:28:02.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:28:14.161000+08:00","text":"我請教一下能源署吳代理署長，相關的油價平穩機制以及天然氣的平穩機制，目前運作的狀況以及具體的措施，請說明一下。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"吳代理署長志偉","start":"2026-04-15T09:28:15.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:28:30.069000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，中油公司一直以來都是用所謂的亞鄰最低價格，這次因為中東事件發生以後，經過院裡協調，我們還另外發展出專案平穩的機制。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"吳代理署長志偉","start":"2026-04-15T09:28:30.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:28:41.675000+08:00","text":"專案平穩機制的部分，中油至少吸收60%以上，所以在最近這幾次以來，應該是這幾週，基本上都沒有相關的油價調整。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"吳代理署長志偉","start":"2026-04-15T09:28:42.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:28:42.416000+08:00","text":"以上報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:28:42.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:28:51.947000+08:00","text":"好，要確保油價以及天然氣來源的確定跟價格的穩定，這個部分能源署的責任是非常重大的。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"吳代理署長志偉","start":"2026-04-15T09:28:52.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:28:54.951000+08:00","text":"我們會持續地滾動檢討相關作業。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:28:54.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:28:57.414000+08:00","text":"兩位先請回座休息，我請教一下陳世凱部長。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:29:00.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:29:31.209000+08:00","text":"受到戰爭的影響，當然國際油價上漲有一定的趨勢，雖然目前我們極力地穩定相關價格，以及確保來源的穩定，但是戰爭的狀況，在目前國際局勢多變下，仍然呈現不穩定的狀態，目前中油跟能源署也進行相關的平穩機制，來維持穩定民生油價。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:29:31.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:29:52.848000+08:00","text":"在客運的部分，陸運包含公路客運以及計程車，公路客運是大眾運輸，而計程車是準大眾運輸工具，尤其計程車在全國大概有九萬多台，使用燃油的大概八萬九千多台。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:29:53.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:30:05.878000+08:00","text":"我們看到過去相關的補貼政策，近年來總共啟動了3次，包含2008年、2014年跟2016年都有啟動相關補貼這樣的做法。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:30:12.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:30:24.947000+08:00","text":"其實在4年前的俄烏戰爭初期也有啟動相關的討論，當時最後我記得是公路客運有補貼，計程車方面因為還沒有到達一定的衝擊狀態，所以就沒有補貼。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:30:29.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:30:53.344000+08:00","text":"公路客運的部分，我記得我們考慮油價的上漲，當然它有一個調整的機制，就是準基本票價來做補貼，就是要跟公會以及相關的這些部門大家討論之後，來進行對票價的補貼。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:30:53.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:30:57.146000+08:00","text":"請林福山局長說明一下，我們這次有做這樣的規劃嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:02.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:31:52.115000+08:00","text":"這個部分我跟委員報告一下，確實公路客運的部分，誠如剛剛委員所提的，因應油價的部分，公路客運本身的費率裡面有內建因應油價臨時費率調漲機制，就是CRF，CRF是按照月平均的柴油價格來做處理，目前從3月1號到3月底，平均柴油價格大概是28.3，但是目前CRF調整的門檻是29.6，如果以4月份的平均價格來看的話，大概在5月就會碰到，我相信公會大概會啟動CRF的機制，未來他們送進來的時候，我們會跟公會來做討論，會依照程序來做處理。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:31:53.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:14.640000+08:00","text":"它有一個費率的調整機制，當然是由政府來補貼相關票價的落差，我們預計這半年公路客運相關的，除了時程之外、除了機制之外，相關的經費來源你們有沒有做過評估，大概需要多少錢？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:16.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:41.602000+08:00","text":"這個部分大概有試算過，如果以5月到今年12月按照這樣子……我跟委員報告一下，如果啟動的話，大概超過29.6就要啟動，但是下一次再啟動的話，油價就要平均達到三十九點多，所以如果按照5月份啟動到12月的話，今年所需要的經費大概是1.21億。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:43.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:44.745000+08:00","text":"大概1億左右啦！是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:46.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:32:57.331000+08:00","text":"現在我們討論到計程車，計程車有八萬九千多輛都是燃油汽車，他們也非常的辛苦，它也是準大眾運輸工具。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:32:57.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:08.957000+08:00","text":"我們在過去都是採取油價折讓，就是發行油卡讓他們直接來進行抵扣，這一次相關的機制有沒有納入計程車？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:09.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:12.045000+08:00","text":"相關的預算大概要多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:12.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:14.131000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有先進行評估？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:15.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:25.065000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，這個部分其實都在公共運輸的同一包，包含公路客運、包含計程車的部分，我們是整體都在做討論。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:25.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:46.054000+08:00","text":"公路的部分剛剛局長已經有回答過，大概1.21億一直到年底，計程車的部分，我們如果以過去的補貼方式，1公升5塊錢的這個補貼方式來試算的話，一個月我們大概評估補貼400公升的油價，也就是一位計程車司機1個月差不多是2,000塊左右，我說的是過去。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:46.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:33:54.126000+08:00","text":"如果是以那個機制來回推的話，現在如果要來推行的話，1個月大概是1.9億左右的預算必須要來支應。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:33:55.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:01.922000+08:00","text":"整體來說，今年如果從5月開始，大概就需要10億以上的相關預算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:02.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:34:13.026000+08:00","text":"大概就是接近這個數字，所以我們現在整體都在估算，因為包含公路客運、包含計程車、包含其他的公共運輸體系在內，我們整體都在做檢討。好。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:34:14.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:06.279000+08:00","text":"另外，部長，我要提醒你，我們的海空運輸常常需要到他國來進行油料的補充，在油料價格跟供應穩定方面，它其實更容易受到波動的影響，導致運輸成本的增加，相關的運輸成本也會連帶影響到進口原物料的價格，所以在民生油料的補貼之外，我們也要針對海空運輸的成本進行觀測，來研議相關的成本補助，我們有沒有可以協助的空間，而且還要確保這些國際原物料運輸品質及價格穩定，這個部分請部長簡單說明一下，我們有沒有做這樣的先期規劃？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:06.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:12.104000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，不管是空運或者是海運的部分，我們都密切在關注整體油價對於運價的影響。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:12.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:25.115000+08:00","text":"委員剛剛所關心的，例如進口的原物料成本會不會因此而增加，目前看起來進口原物料的運費，它提漲的幅度相當的低，不高，反而是出口成長的比較高。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:26.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:40.706000+08:00","text":"空運的部分，目前聽起來，不管是進口或出口，空運的部分當然進口跟出口的量也不多，但其實目前調漲幅度都是業者可以接受的範圍之內，所以目前對於物價的影響應該不大。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:40.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:35:57.717000+08:00","text":"部長，我也提醒你要跟公共工程委員會密切的聯繫，讓物價的平穩機制能夠確實落實之外，要確保短期之內這些價格的波動不要影響到公共工程的品質及相關的期程。是。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:35:58.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:36:43.091000+08:00","text":"最後我覺得我們要建立多元能源的供應方式，各交通領域直接受影響的程度當然不一，直接影響的有私人運具或者是客貨運的部分，間接影響是像電力、臺鐵、高鐵等等的這些軌道設施，但是國際燃料供應跟價格波動，會影響到電力的供需以及相關的價格，交通部其實應該是要減少燃料的供應，要減少依賴，建立多元能源的供應管道，提高承擔能源風險的能力。","quality":0.993},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:36:44.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:05.263000+08:00","text":"台電報告指出，在場站要建立再生能源發電系統跟搭配微電網，可以在電力中斷的時候提供必要的電力供應，目前交通部各場站的多元能源供應進度，交通部有沒有進行相關的規劃？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:05.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:05.423000+08:00","text":"請說明一下。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:07.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:27.614000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，這個部分其實我們都有做相關的討論跟規劃，目前委員在提的微電網部分，在能源有需求或中斷的時候，可以再做電力供應，像我們電動巴士場站，大概有一些場站有做這樣子的設置、有做這樣的設計，其他的部分，我們還陸續在推廣當中。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:28.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:40.503000+08:00","text":"最後我有幾個建議，各交通系統場站，在設計階段要納入節能設計，改建階段也要將建物節能納入考量。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:41.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:37:45.025000+08:00","text":"現有場站我們要如何增進能源自主？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-04-15T09:37:45.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T09:38:07.311000+08:00","text":"例如很多場站可以設置屋頂的太陽能板，以及都市熱能的回收等等，各運輸系統也必須妥善利用相關場站的空間，這都是交通部跟各部門必須要全力推動的政策方向，最後讓部長再簡單說明一下。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T09:38:07.871000+08:00","guess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