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美國也要收如果有這條增加通勤費"},{"start":615.883,"end":643.929,"text":"到底是怎麼回事他未來的反應的情況是如何我覺得要追蹤一下因為這個事情還沒有確定那我想針對於這整個的一個郵品因為中東戰事不斷的一個波動甚至上升會不會馬上停那大家恢復一樣我們當然很期待啦那我們也希望交通部也好我們中永相關的把這個能夠掌握最新的情況能夠給相關的一個業者能夠最好的協助 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:27.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:08:30.892000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請交通部陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:30.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:08:35.613000+08:00","text":"請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:35.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:08:35.833000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:36.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:08:36.513000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:37.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:08:50.637000+08:00","text":"今天在討論這個問題，對於我們的立場，事實上我們根本像世界各國一樣，無法控制這個問題的走向，所以我們真的是只能談，發生A之後我們要如何應變。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:51.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:08:58.963000+08:00","text":"在今天的整個專題報告，大概就是所有委員跟大家來討論，發生什麼樣的情況下能夠多做什麼事情。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:08:59.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:09:28.433000+08:00","text":"首先，第一個，很多委員都說了，中東這個戰事發生到現在，原油價格在波動、大幅成長之後，隨著消息面是談還是不談、打還是不打，不斷地造成原油的波動，當然對相關的副產品也造成了非常大的挑戰，然後海峽的封鎖讓很多的原油船隻根本出不來。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:09:28.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:09:37.401000+08:00","text":"就臺灣現在受到的影響，也謝謝中油，我在這邊謝謝你們，現在超過100億嘛！","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:09:37.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:09:48.208000+08:00","text":"台塑聽說也二、三十億自行吸收，整個臺灣的油價相對地漲幅上，吸收了滿多的，不過還是漲啦！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:09:48.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:09:55.454000+08:00","text":"目前看了無鉛汽油，從3月初到4月13號大概漲了17%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:09:56.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:10:03.260000+08:00","text":"柴油從3月1號二十六點幾到現在31塊，也是漲了大概16%。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:10:06.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:10:23.816000+08:00","text":"對靠油作為生財工具主要成本的產業，包括很多公共運輸，造成了非常大的衝擊，整體來說，公共運輸面除了中油力挺之外，有什麼樣的應變方案？","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:10:26.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:10:34.029000+08:00","text":"在公共運輸的部分，行政院已經有指示，目前國內公共運輸的票價都儘量不要影響到民眾，也就是不調漲。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:10:34.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:10:47.815000+08:00","text":"不調漲一定有它的條件，除了中油吸收之外，例如以航空燃油來講，我們拜託中油對國內航空供給的油價從44調降到28，不過這個部分也是會由交通部編列預算還給中油，我們會來努力。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:10:51.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:07.479000+08:00","text":"另外，對於公車，也就是公路客運的部分，目前已經快要碰到必須要調漲票價的點，如果真正碰到的時候，業者會提出申請，我們也會讓他做成本上面的調漲，但一般民眾的票價不會受到影響，為什麼？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:07.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:12.540000+08:00","text":"因為交通部會提出票價補貼，票差的部分由交通部吸收。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:13.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:30.604000+08:00","text":"貨運的部分，目前他們也有提出可能要調漲的想法，這個部分正在審議跟討論當中，我們也希望在整體貨運價格不要調整的狀況底下，在我們核定的貨運價格下面來浮動，這樣我們會准許的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:30.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:11:39.426000+08:00","text":"另外，對於海運的部分，其實我們也在做這方面的因應，跟剛剛所講的其他公共運輸都一樣，如果有需要票價補貼，都由交通部來想辦法。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:11:43.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:12:07.561000+08:00","text":"剛剛你也特別提到陸、海、空運輸，不管是屬於私人的或者公共運輸，其實都一樣，因為油品上漲，最近有一個消息──航空燃油上漲122%，我不知道經濟日報這樣報導正不正確，反而大家都知道漲了很多，要想辦法靠怎麼樣的補貼、怎麼樣的吸收。","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:12:07.561000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:12:09.902000+08:00","text":"都有規劃。","quality":0},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:12:09.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:12:31.211000+08:00","text":"在整個陸運，尤其客運，甚至遊覽車，主要是吃柴油，柴油從3月1號到4月13號也大概上漲16%，遊覽車或大客車的燃油成本大概都超過三分之一，事實上是蠻吃重的，所以我也接到很多電話，蠻辛苦的。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:12:31.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:12:35.773000+08:00","text":"至於海運，當然成本也持續在上漲。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:12:37.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:12:45.944000+08:00","text":"請教一下部長，說真的，國際情勢連其他大國都沒有辦法掌握，所以我覺得沒有必要問大家什麼時候可以結束。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:12:48.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:13:14.425000+08:00","text":"在應變的過程中，我要提醒幾件事，第一個、現在很多客運業者，包括公車、國道客運、公路客運，因為前幾年減班、減路線已經減一大堆了，民眾已經非常不方便，千萬不要因為這一波造成更大的影響。","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:13:14.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:13:28.102000+08:00","text":"首先，為了了解一下，我問了公會，因為國光客運本身就是在邊緣，我們都覺得它很危險，財務各方面有點欠東欠西的，我很擔心。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:13:30.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:13:34.4270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,"start":"2026-04-15T10:16:44.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:16:45.957000+08:00","text":"是整個休息區整修，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:16:49.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:16:52.179000+08:00","text":"是整個休息站整修，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:16:53.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:16:58.001000+08:00","text":"應該是休息站的加油站整修，維修到今年7月就會重新開始。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:16:58.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:17:00.562000+08:00","text":"到今年7月，從去年開始，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:17:00.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:17:03.724000+08:00","text":"對，從去年7月1號到今年7月。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:17:05.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:17:19.036000+08:00","text":"這個部分麻煩你們寫清楚一點，因為剛剛會前才有人跟我說，我也會深入了解，不要整修一年之後卻跟整修之前一樣，加油機器都一模一樣，沒長大也沒縮小，到時候我們會去看。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:17:21.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:17:27.883000+08:00","text":"你要特別注意一下這樣的情況，如果有減量或者減工作日的問題，都要特別注意。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:17:28.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:17:48.774000+08:00","text":"最後剛剛很多委員也提到，現在面臨一個情況，最擔心的是，如果中東的戰事持續，造成荷姆茲海峽持續封閉，本來是一層封閉，現在變成要過兩關──伊朗跟美國，我也不知道什麼時候可以解決。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:17:49.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:17:59.547000+08:00","text":"如果油出不來的話，對於全國、全世界都有影響，臺灣如果變成中長期受影響，我覺得勢必勢要有個應變措施。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:00.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:11.153000+08:00","text":"情境二是增加通行費，如果增加通行費，通常運輸成本增加不管是船公司或者進口的廠商，誰會去付？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:12.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:13.134000+08:00","text":"中油說明一下，好不好？","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:13.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:16.696000+08:00","text":"如果增加通行費，這個部分是誰會吸收？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:18.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:19.463000+08:00","text":"目前沒有這種狀態。","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:21.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:21.665000+08:00","text":"還沒付？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:22.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:23.968000+08:00","text":"不是，也沒有討論這個事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:25.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:34.059000+08:00","text":"雖然沒有討論到，但可能要思考一下，因為我看這個狀況，以後會不會伊朗不收，美國也要收？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:34.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:38.923000+08:00","text":"如果有這條增加通行費，到底是怎麼回事？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:39.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:40.884000+08:00","text":"未來反應的情況是如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:41.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:42.004000+08:00","text":"我覺得要追蹤一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:42.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:43.724000+08:00","text":"因為這個事情還沒有確定。","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:45.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:18:52.906000+08:00","text":"整個油品因為中東戰事不斷波動，甚至上升，會不會馬上停？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-15T10:18:54.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:19:05.929000+08:00","text":"大家恢復、一樣，我們當然很期待，也希望交通部跟中油能夠掌握最新的情況，給相關業者最好的協助，謝謝。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:19:06.429000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:19:08.429000+08:00","text":"謝謝魯明哲委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:19:08.729000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:19:12.729000+08:00","text":"特別感謝魯明哲委員剛剛的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:19:13.029000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:19:15.886143+08:00","text":"接下來邀請陳清龍委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}