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秘書長我請你看一下這一個公告齁這是主協的公告請問一下我是一個家長我看到這個不適應教練之後我要知道他是誰嗎我要如何知道他是誰是"},{"start":244.175,"end":272.916,"text":"江圈圈黃圈圈涉性侵兒少事件我家長看到這個我要怎麼知道這個到底是誰我們根本無從得知我們現在的這個公告機制是沒有辦法讓家長安心的等於是說家長在把小孩送去不管是做俱樂部的訓練也好或是送去學校也好他根本是瞎子摸象完全不知道他到底送進去是培育孩子發展天賦的金牌教練還是是摧毀孩子夢想的狼獅教練"},{"start":273.877,"end":297.319,"text":"所以我想這個是一個很大的問題我們也一直在跟去年就一直在跟運動部在溝通這件事情當時是教育部的體育署就一直在溝通可是他們就告訴我們說因為礙於各自法的規範還要保障這些教練的工作權所以在沒有任何法規授權的機制之下他們只能夠維持用這種方式"},{"start":298.5,"end":326.349,"text":"來進行那我想這件事情我跟人本其實已經主張了至少超過一年那希望說是不是監察院也可以針對這樣子的一個處置方式來進行調查或是糾正呢我們會把委員您的質詢待會去給監委請他們來參考這個意見在未來辦理相關意見這個案類似的案件的時候還有對於政府的相關的監督的時候能夠善加"},{"start":327.089,"end":352.476,"text":"我想就針對就是說因為其實在衛福部或是教育部他們都有相關的不是人人才的一個資料庫那但是這個在運動部裡面呢我們現在是一直沒有辦法處理到有關於不適合教練公告的這件事情那這是相對於其他部會是稍微我覺得有點瀆職啦所以是不是可以進行相關的調查跟糾正啦我們一起來推動教育運動部來做這件事情好不好好 謝謝"},{"start":355.077,"end":374.987,"text":"那再來還有另外一個事件也是說我們剛剛講不適任教練可是我們剛剛雖然有各個系統的去把他建置起來這些不適任人才資料庫但是其實他們還是一直的轉漏洞因為光我們自己不停的處理從教育部去鎖他從運動部去鎖他這些人後來留下了地下經濟"},{"start":376.648,"end":389.503,"text":"流向了地下經濟等於是說他自己開了一個工作室沒有登記我們根本查不到這個人可是這個人還是持續的在接觸我們的孩子所以其實我去年就一直在主張要建立兒少工作證的制度參考澳洲的一個規範來做"},{"start":391.465,"end":415.298,"text":"因為對於任何一個家長來說我們實在是沒有辦法去每次都要等於是說是在看抽獎抽到的是誰這樣子所以是不是可以在兒少工作證制度尚未完成立法之前呢我們可以針對目前的制度空窗提出一個具體的監督跟改善建議那還有這個針對跨部會的一個機制是否也可以有所掌握呢"},{"start":416.358,"end":432.175,"text":"這當然是行政機關的他相關的措施跟處分那我們會把委員的建議帶回去尤其在人權委員會 人權委員會這邊已經有處理我請人權委員會的執行秘書就相關人權委員會處理跟您說明"},{"start":434.925,"end":460.088,"text":"是谢谢委员好关心这个议题那我们其实在去年年底的时候我们有发布一个检讨校园失对生暴力处理机制这一个专案报告那这个专案报告里面我们最后面的建议里面也有提到就是你刚刚说的有关这个儿少就是儿少相关的工作证的这样一个一个制度那我们也是才倾向比较同意这样的一个做法想说明谢谢"},{"start":460.128,"end":478.181,"text":"好 了解 謝謝那再來下一個題目其實是想要講我們的我先講一下這個預算的部分好了啦好不好因為我覺得這個我看到了監察院的預算整個不管在114年稅出預算規模是10.97億"},{"start":481.103,"end":508.735,"text":"人事費呢 約佔8億 佔比極高啦但是原編列的業務費2億4273萬元呢被立法院審查三檢後高達96% 只剩下1092%導致我們的一般行政啦 調查其實根本都沒有辦法做甚至最重要的人權業務那特別是接下來還要做CRC的國際審查那這是非常的重要 那我也有聽到一些團體啦在講 我不知道是不是真的啦 說他們去參加監察"},{"start":510.496,"end":520.839,"text":"院的一些相關諮詢會議都沒有給出席費我不曉得這是真的還是假的這樣子已經落魄到這樣嗎因為這些都是專家學者我覺得他們的時間意見也都非常的寶貴那這是真的嗎"},{"start":523.674,"end":550.548,"text":"報告委員其實在去年我們預算最艱困的時候的確是沒有給出席費但是後續因為有追加預算也謝謝立法院後續有讓我們追加預算那我們後面是有再補回去那但是我們大部分一些案件我們就變成是要用視訊的方式因為沒有辦法支付交通費我們是給最低額的出席費就是兩千元所以是不含交通費那因此很多的會議就變成是要用視訊的方式來辦理"},{"start":551.548,"end":580.247,"text":"了解 那我覺得這個是希望所有的立法院都要聽到因為這些都是專家學者而他們的意見也都非常的寶貴而且他們的意見其實是督促了我們整個國家的制度上面的前進可是我們連一個出席費都沒有辦法給我覺得這是相對不尊重的一件事情所以我認為所有的委員在接下來要做115年的審查或是116年的審查都應該要去考量這一件事情不然我們就會是一直叫監察院做事像民眾黨一直叫藍白一直叫監察院做事我覺得你們也是啞巴吃黃蓮"},{"start":582.549,"end":605.328,"text":"接下來還有一個更重要的部分就是在114年的3月18號我看到你們的新聞稿就是說你們積欠了伊甸基金會委外勞務清潔費用利用未約用以及部分駐點人員失業造成弱勢家庭的經濟困擾及重傷其工作權益這件事情後續還有繼續聘任嗎報告委員我是請秘書處針對這個業務主管來說明"},{"start":609.163,"end":616.692,"text":"報告委員您關心的問題其實在去年3月的時候醫店這一部分我們從原本的15位然後一下減成7位那這7位是單純的身心障礙人員因為這個臨時的狀況我想這些身心障礙家庭可能沒辦法承受"},{"start":626.784,"end":646.461,"text":"那這部分少掉的八個人力其實對我們來說是非常的緊迫那這七位呢只能負責我們公共區域的勞務清潔那至於短缺的到目前為止都是監察院一個很大的要必須要去承受的變成我們所有的機工工友工作量非常的非常的大 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謝謝謝謝委員指教 謝謝你"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:26:59.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:27:00.997000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們有請秘書長。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:27:02.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:27:02.678000+08:00","text":"有請秘書長。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:27:02.678000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:27:04.179000+08:00","text":"委員您好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:27:04.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:27:14.586000+08:00","text":"今天我想要跟秘書長討論關於臺中教練性侵的事件，我希望監察院針對這事件做一些調查。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:27:16.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:27:40.624000+08:00","text":"其實在去年3月我就開始關心教育部，教育部也有去關心臺中市政府，但是我想大家從最近的新聞可以看見，松姓棒球教練的受害者已經突破53名還是80名，這個數字現在教育局跟新聞報導好像掌握的是完全不一樣的。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:27:42.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:27:50.174000+08:00","text":"而在上個禮拜也可以看到，臺中市政府並沒有懲處教育局，這件事情突顯的是什麼？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:27:50.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:27:52.757000+08:00","text":"是我們雖然有一些制度，但是現場的執行是失靈的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:27:56.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:28:20.130000+08:00","text":"這事件橫跨非常多年，也不是個別犯罪問題，我自己從過去也關注許多有關兒少性侵的案件，不管是新竹縣、花蓮縣或是今天早上最新的新聞，在北部某個競技學校，也有類似這樣子的狀況。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:28:21.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:28:27+08:00","text":"我認為我們在教練聘任、查核，到日常監督機制，其實都沒有發揮應該有的作用。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:28:27.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:28:30.125000+08:00","text":"我也非常高興可以看到監察院紀惠容監委已經申請自動調查了。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:28:33.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:28:48.901000+08:00","text":"但是我想請問，因為這並不只是這一個案件，而是跨縣市、結構性的問題，是不是可以針對體育班的部分做更完整的調查呢？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:28:49.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:28:54.743000+08:00","text":"不然如果我們只有處理這個個案的話，接下來很有可能還是會有下一個悲劇發生。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:28:56.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:29:04.048000+08:00","text":"委員您提到的是臺中的個案，基於法令限制，我沒辦法在這邊針對這個個案跟您……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:29:05.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:29:07.330000+08:00","text":"我不是要查個案，我要查體育班。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:29:07.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:29:22.301000+08:00","text":"如果是整個機制的話，跟您報告，關於運動教練狼師的類似案件，我們第六屆監委已經有提出6件調查報告，而且有5件通過糾正。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:29:23.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:29:57.575000+08:00","text":"其實糾正的過程，統合整個脈絡簡單回答，我們已經具體要求行政機關對整個通報機制的改善，這整個通報機制，我們要求行政機關一定要改善，不論通報機制是在設置教練仲裁或紀律委員會，建立同儕通報以外，還有對於不適任運動教練的通報，以及地方查驗代理教師的資料，將不適任教練列入通報。","quality":0.992},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:29:57.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:18.960000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我這樣聽起來，我了解當時有提出這樣子的報告，的確有一些在執行，但是體育班的機制裡面，重大事件層出不窮，我們是不是可以針對體育班的性侵案件，做系統性、統整性的調查呢？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:20.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:22.245000+08:00","text":"這個案子，我們針對體育班正在調查中……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:23.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:25.208000+08:00","text":"我指體育班的制度，不是只有臺中市。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:25.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:25.808000+08:00","text":"有，我知道。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:25.808000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:26.808000+08:00","text":"好，了解……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:26.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:30.252000+08:00","text":"整個制度透過這個個案，我們會看得更清楚。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:30.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:31.733000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:32.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:51.040000+08:00","text":"再繼續講，剛剛秘書長也有提到，我們提出了一些不適任教練應該要如何去查詢，可是實際上，秘書長請你看一下這一個公告，這是足協公告，請問一下，如果我是家長，我看到不適任教練名單，我要如何知道他是誰？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:53.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:00.440000+08:00","text":"「江OO」、「黃OO」涉性侵兒少事件，家長看到要怎麼知道到底是誰？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:00.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:01.561000+08:00","text":"我們根本無從得知。了解。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:02.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:21.916000+08:00","text":"我們現在的公告機制是沒有辦法讓家長安心的，家長把小孩送去不管俱樂部的訓練也好，或是送去學校也好，他根本是瞎子摸象，完全不知道他送進去到底會遇到培育孩子發展天賦的金牌教練，還是摧毀孩子夢想的狼師教練。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:23.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:47.500000+08:00","text":"我想這是一個很大的問題，我們去年就一直跟運動部溝通這件事情，當時跟教育部體育署就一直在溝通，可是他們告訴我們說，礙於個資法的規範，還要保障這些教練的工作權，在沒有任何法規授權的機制之下，他們只能夠維持用這種方式來進行。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:48.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:59.124000+08:00","text":"這件事情我跟人本其實已經主張至少超過一年，希望監察院是不是也可以針對這樣子的處置方式來進行調查或是糾正？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:00.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:15.169000+08:00","text":"我們會把委員的質詢帶回去給監委，請他們參考意見，在未來辦理類似案件的時候，還有對於政府相關監督的時候，能夠妥當要求。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:18.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:41.356000+08:00","text":"其實衛福部或是教育部，他們都有相關不適任人才資料庫，但是在運動部裡面，現在卻一直沒有辦法處理有關於不適任教練公告的這件事情，我覺得這相對其他部會稍微有點瀆職，是不是可以進行相關調查跟糾正，我們一起推動運動部做這件事情，好不好？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:41.356000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:44.257000+08:00","text":"我會把委員的意見帶回去，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.133},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:44.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:13.217000+08:00","text":"再來還有另外一個事件，我們剛剛講不適任教練，雖然有各個系統去把這些不適任人才資料庫建置起來，但是其實他們還是一直鑽漏洞，光我們自己不停處理，從教育部去鎖他、從運動部去鎖他，這些人後來流向地下經濟，等於是說他自己開了工作室沒有登記，我們根本查不到這個人，可是這個人還是持續接觸我們的孩子。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:14.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:18.483000+08:00","text":"我去年就一直在主張要建立兒少工作證制度，參考澳洲規範來做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:20.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:38.755000+08:00","text":"因為對於任何家長來說，我們實在沒有辦法每次都像看抽獎抽到的是誰，是不是可以在兒少工作證制度尚未完成立法之前，針對目前制度空窗，提出具體的監督跟改善建議？","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:39.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:44.057000+08:00","text":"還有針對跨部會機制，是否也可以有所掌握？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:45.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:01.155000+08:00","text":"當然行政機關相關的措施跟處分，我們會把委員的建議帶回去，尤其人權委員會已經有處理，我請人權委員會執行秘書就相關處理，跟您說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:01.155000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:04.385000+08:00","text":"好，簡要說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄒執行秘書筱涵","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:04.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:28.768000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心這個議題，我們其實在去年年底的時候，有發布一個檢討校園師對生暴力處理機制專案報告，報告最後的建議也有提到，就是你剛剛說的有關兒少相關工作證的制度，我們也是比較傾向同意這樣的做法，以上說明，謝謝。","quality":0.547},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:29.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:30.389000+08:00","text":"了解，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:30.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:35:25.289000+08:00","text":"再來下一個題目，我先講一下預算的部分，我看到監察院的預算，在114年歲出預算規模是10.97億，人事費約占8億，占比極高，但是原編列的業務費2億4,273萬元，被立法院審查刪減高達96%，只剩下1,092萬元，導致一般行政、調查其實根本沒有辦法做，甚至最重要的人權業務，特別接下來還要做CRC的國際審查，這非常重要，我也有聽到一些團體在講，我不知道是不是真的，說他們去參加監察院的一些相關諮詢會議都沒有給出席費，我不曉得這是真的還是假的，已經落魄到這樣嗎？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:35:25.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:35:29.238000+08:00","text":"因為這些都是專家學者，我覺得他們的時間、意見也都非常寶貴，這是真的嗎？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:35:29.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:35:29.839000+08:00","text":"這是真的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄒執行秘書筱涵","start":"2026-04-15T10:35:32.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:35:53.645000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實去年我們預算最艱困的時候，的確沒有給出席費，但是後續因為有追加預算，也謝謝立法院後續有讓我們追加預算，我們後面是有再補回去，但是我們一些案件就變成要用視訊的方式，因為沒有辦法支付交通費，我們是給最低額的出席費。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:35:53.645000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:35:54.645000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄒執行秘書筱涵","start":"2026-04-15T10:35:53.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:35:59.528000+08:00","text":"就是2,000元，所以是不含交通費，因此很多會議就變成要用視訊的方式來辦理。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:00.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:29.247000+08:00","text":"了解，我希望所有的立法委員都要聽到，因為這些都是專家學者，他們的意見也都非常寶貴，而且他們的意見其實督促了我們整個國家制度上面的前進，可是連一個出席費都沒有辦法給，我覺得這是相對不尊重的一件事情，所以我認為所有委員接下來要做115年的審查或是116年的審查，都應該要去考量這件事情，不然像藍白一直叫監察院做事，我覺得你們也是啞巴吃黃連。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:31.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:52.887000+08:00","text":"接下來還有一個更重要的部分，在114年3月18號，我看到你們的新聞稿，你們積欠伊甸基金會委外勞務清潔費用，六位約用以及部分駐點人員失業，造成弱勢家庭的經濟困擾及重傷其工作權益，這件事情後續還有繼續聘任嗎？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:52.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:54.308000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我請秘書處針對業務主管的部分來說明。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:54.308000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:58.163000+08:00","text":"沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張處長麗雅","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:58.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:37:35.441000+08:00","text":"報告委員，您關心的問題，其實在去年3月的時候，伊甸這部分，我們從原本的十五位一下減成七位，這七位是單純的身心障礙人員，因為這個臨時的狀況，我想這些身心障礙家庭可能沒辦法承受，少掉的八個人力，其實對我們來說是非常緊迫，這七位只能負責我們公共區域的勞務清潔，至於短缺的部分，到目前為止都是監察院必須要去承受的，變成我們所有技工、工友工作量非常、非常大。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:37:38.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:37:44.146000+08:00","text":"好，我了解了，我們也造成一些弱勢家庭的經濟困擾，這件事情到現在還是沒有解決，接下來我還想要請教一下……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張處長麗雅","start":"2026-04-15T10:37:44.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:37:56.551000+08:00","text":"伊甸的部分，到7月追加預算通過了，我們總共積欠了一百多萬，也是後續才逐步來償還。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:37:58.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:38:22.285000+08:00","text":"接下來，我還有看到一個是跟人身安全有關係的，我看起來這好像有點影響到你們上班的安全性，我們無法依規定進行高低壓電氣設備、消防設備、電梯及飲水機還有建物公共安全的檢查，因為畢竟是一個蠻年久的建物，我有點擔心會不會影響到你們的工作安全？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:38:23.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:38:35.318000+08:00","text":"再來，我也看到沒有預算修繕辦公廳舍跟機電設備，嚴重影響你們的建物使用安全，造成無障礙升降平臺無法使用，這是真的嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:38:35.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:38:38.081000+08:00","text":"我是不是也請秘書處主管跟您回復？好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張處長麗雅","start":"2026-04-15T10:38:40.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:16.528000+08:00","text":"報告委員，您剛所提的這部分確實都是存在，也是真實的，尤其在機電方面，不管是升降梯、電梯，還有高低壓、飲水設備，其實這是法規所規定的，這部分後來在7月追加預算的時候，就法定的部分，甚至有更多的稅金，我們都是用欠款的方式來度過，所以有關安全的部分，我們在115年預算裡面也編列了，因為消防安全這部分老舊，已經將近四十年了。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:16.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:18.349000+08:00","text":"消防安全嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張處長麗雅","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:18.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:20.111000+08:00","text":"對，這部分涉及公共安全，是我們比較比較擔憂的。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:21.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:57.366000+08:00","text":"好，我想剛剛您的回復我們可以非常清楚聽到，你們的建物安全、人身安全、工作安全其實都蠻嚴重被危及的，我們必須要關注，我也希望社會大眾還有我們的立委們可以了解，因為在裡面工作的每一個都是我們優秀的公務員，也有可能是我們的朋友、有可能是我們的兄弟姐妹、親人等等，這些人的工作安全其實是非常需要去維護的，特別這也是違法的，因為有職安衛的規定，其實要守護我們勞工從事工作的安全。沒錯。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:58.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:26.807000+08:00","text":"所以我做一個結論，在憲法第六十三條裡面，立法院有議決法律案、預算案、戒嚴案、大赦案、宣戰案等等其他重要事項之權力，立法院有審查、刪減、凍結的權力，但這個權力不應該是無限擴充的，對於機關的基本運作應該要有基本的維持，而不是大筆一揮，忽略了這些跟人身安全有關的預算。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:27.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:39.276000+08:00","text":"所以，我希望在今年審查的時候，大家都可以理性、務實的讓監察院可以繼續運作，不要犧牲所有公務員的人身安全，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:39.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:39.637000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指教。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席（林委員倩綺代）","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:40.137000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:42.994143+08:00","text":"接下來有請翁曉玲召委。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}