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感謝謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:01.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:01.701000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，有請次長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:01.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:01.721000+08:00","text":"請陳次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:12.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:13.450000+08:00","text":"次長早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:14.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:15.231000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:15.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:29.955000+08:00","text":"最近中東的情勢其實非常詭譎，今天早上川普好像又講了不一樣的東西，所以今天這個主題其實非常重要，也感謝召委的召集。","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:31.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:54.487000+08:00","text":"我今天要問的比較特殊，在你們報告裡面的第9頁也提到有關人道援助的部分，我想這一次中東的情勢，聯合國已經說了，他們覺得衝突加劇，尤其在黎巴嫩大概已經有百萬人流離失所，而且他說裡面有37萬名是兒童。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:56.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:58.851000+08:00","text":"次長，這個應該符合我們現在人道援助的標準了吧？是。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:01.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:19.340000+08:00","text":"當然對於世界上所有地方發生戰災等等而導致流亡失所，或者是相關的人道狀況，我們一向都願意伸出援手，當然我們也要尋求適當管道去提供相關的人道協助。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:19.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:27.502000+08:00","text":"對，現在包括糧食計畫，他們都提供了一些糧食的緊急援助，甚至連心理支援其實都有。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:28.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:43.027000+08:00","text":"另外像醫療當然更不用講了，目前醫療物資有非常非常多，而且支援幾百位、上千位的患者接受治療，世界衛生組織還聯合聯合國人口基金會，也運了大概35萬噸的關鍵物資過去。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:47.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:08.562000+08:00","text":"我有看了一下外交部過去的整個預算，我手上大概是110年度，在科目03的部分，包含國際關懷救援之重建，這個部分其實編了滿多的預算，我不曉得現在外交部有沒有比較具體的作為及打算？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T10:49:09.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:14.406000+08:00","text":"我們請一下亞非司，是不是能夠就……委員是要討論中東地區的話，我們就請一下亞非司。好。","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"顏司長嘉良","start":"2026-04-15T10:49:18.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:31.608000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在中東地區的話，我們之前是有提供巴勒斯坦一些援助，主要也是透過國際的非政府組織……對！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:49:31.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:33.731000+08:00","text":"大家都通過這個管道嘛。對。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"顏司長嘉良","start":"2026-04-15T10:49:36.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:45.059000+08:00","text":"有一些人道援助也要看有沒有適當的NGO來協助，我們再來提供。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:49:45.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:04.404000+08:00","text":"對，是這樣，我之所以問這一題，其實外交部應該有掌握到，韓國上個月對黎巴嫩捐了200萬美金；昨天晚上的新聞，他們宣布透過紅十字國際委員會又捐了50萬美金。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:05.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:16.403000+08:00","text":"因為今天我們的主題也跟亞太關係有關，看起來我們的鄰國──韓國，他們的動作倒是滿主動的，所以我才問外交部有沒有比較確定積極的一些作為？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"顏司長嘉良","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:18.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:31.688000+08:00","text":"黎巴嫩當然是最近大家關注的，是不是有一些人道救援的需求，這個部分其實是我們駐約旦代表處負責，我們也可以來研究。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:33.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:47.932000+08:00","text":"我看到這個標題，因為這個標題下說南韓宣布外交部特使前往，其實這個跟國際關係有一些非常微妙的狀況，所以我才會問外交部的立場，外交部的立場是我們也可以嘗試……","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:48.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:08.427000+08:00","text":"我們都可以，我們隨時都準備，而且不管是從政府立場，當然外交部還是受限於預算的規模，因為現在整個預算的狀況還是沿用原來的預算，如果新的預算能夠通過，我們可能會有更多的人道行為。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:09.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:11.409000+08:00","text":"對，這邊應該可以沿用一些，我看起來這都是……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:11.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:12.870000+08:00","text":"沿用的部分我們再來研究看看。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:12.870000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:13.870000+08:00","text":"OK、OK。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:13.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:21.897000+08:00","text":"但是另外一個，我們會跟民間的NGO組織，比如說慈濟等等，我們知道慈濟在全球都是有非常強烈的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:22.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:26.582000+08:00","text":"所以次長，是不是有一些比較明確的作為也可以提供我們辦公室參考？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:26.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:27.463000+08:00","text":"是，沒問題。好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:28.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:48.85800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