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至少我們台灣第一個油價有的國家根本是漲翻天了漲一倍以上都有甚至根本買不到油所以加油站大排長龍至少我要肯定我們政府團隊就民心就是說這個安定你看到加油站"},{"start":161.727,"end":181.307,"text":"沒有人在排隊吧我想中油應該也特別注意到這種狀況嘛因為你有的國家是根本你有錢也交不到油所以加油站就出現恐慌性的大家這樣去排隊啦至少這個在台灣也沒有看到啦目前都是加油站的機制都維持戰前都是一模一樣"},{"start":182.367,"end":199.354,"text":"所以我們希望政府相關團隊的相關部會我們這個團隊大家未來要緊密的在合作至少在危機還沒有解除現在看起來不知道什麼時候可以解除這也沒有人知道了我們大家持續努力謝謝大家辛苦了兩位請回座兩位想要補充的"},{"start":207.228,"end":227.837,"text":"跟委員報告一下這個基本上該委員問的那個部分我們會持續去滾動檢討我們相關的機制那我們基本上就是我們還是秉持一個就是第一個就是量要足 價要穩這兩個政策跟委員報告 謝謝好 謝謝兩位請回座 沈部長沈部長我另外再跟你關心一下我們一個民生問題"},{"start":229.378,"end":250.567,"text":"部長有沒有坐過多元計程車?你坐到寶庭我看不機會坐有啦,時常坐你坐寶庭還要坐幾乎每個禮拜都會坐那是我在坐的我每個禮拜都會坐你知道現在計程車大部分都已經是透過網路平台多元計程車多元計程車網路平台已經達到了72.5%"},{"start":253.479,"end":281.818,"text":"現在司機已經很少會巡迴覽客了大概只有台北市你還看得到其他很多地方空計程車在街上這樣跑已經很少了尤其現在油價這麼貴所以已經72.5%都是透過網路叫車了或者是招呼站 或者是熟客人家可以指定叫車 或者是定點排班那我們台灣的多元計程車登記的數量"},{"start":283.717,"end":311.954,"text":"我記得我剛到交通委員會的那一年台灣的多元計程車不到一千台八百多台到現在2025年台灣的多元計程車已經從八百部增加到三萬六千部這增加4.5倍所以這其中我就要跟部長討論一個問題那就是平台的問題"},{"start":313.547,"end":341.436,"text":"那前幾天有發生兩個新聞你有沒有看到第一個很不幸的台64線發生多元車輛多元計程車把一個年輕人強行丟包丟在快速道路上那這位年輕人就被後續的車輛給四台車把他給撞死了第二個就是有家長指控Uber的司機因為他把他13歲的女兒丟包因為他女兒好像是改變路線還是怎麼樣那駕駛就把他丟在路邊了"},{"start":342.578,"end":365.994,"text":"因為駕駛趕著要說他要接另外下一個單啦那這種狀況下你看未成年少女喔她四三歲她身上一毛錢都沒有就站在路邊哭啦那在這裡出現一個問題如果出現了像這樣那消費者如果權益受損甚至發生 像這樣有發生命案那平台有沒有負責任第一個喔"},{"start":369.158,"end":390.505,"text":"旅客被丟包撞死的這個平台說 不關我的事啊 我只是負責媒介他說有些人被叫出來 他拒絕 他認為說法律上他沒有任何責任那實際上現在平台 第一個他審核司機的資格第二個他派單邏輯是他決定的第三 價格機制"},{"start":395.367,"end":422.504,"text":"而且他有抽取佣金啊所以他透過對司機的平等評價系統甚至可以影響司機的收入和他的生活我再告訴你平台現在是掌控了整個運輸服務的核心權利平台的權利很大啦對不對這都是權利嘛一旦發生重大事故那平台現在說我只是媒合"},{"start":423.905,"end":447.503,"text":"然後把風險還有賠償的責任全部都丟給駕駛甚至我們整個社會要來承擔這種有權無責過去你不會感受到那現在台灣的多元計程車已經達到這麼高的數量而且國人的使用習慣已經駕駛了他加入這個平台叫車已經達到超過七成了"},{"start":448.743,"end":462.231,"text":"這狀況下 我們對平台的裁罰或管理你看 撞死人那一次 那個平台 司機丟包害那個人被撞死我們只裁罰平台一萬多塊 發生幾件事"},{"start":466.516,"end":482.928,"text":"他負的責任跟他長有的權利顯然不成比例我們再來看其他國家現在很多國家現在幾乎全世界都是平台這平台在叫車 就多元車輛 計程車新加坡 你平台有很重的責任"},{"start":483.939,"end":513.26,"text":"你注意看 政府監理手段我也給大家參考政府是可以撤銷餘領執照英國也是 澳洲也是 韓國也是只有台灣第一個 平台是沒有責任的政府也沒什麼監理手段請教一下部長你對現在平台對於多元車輛的平台是否應該要負起相關責任還有政府是否應該要有一定的監理手段來部長你的看法"},{"start":513.993,"end":541.052,"text":"像委員報告確實平台也應該要負起一些責任所以我們目前對於交通部來講平台跟車隊其實是綁在一起的對我們的角度來看他們都是要共同負起所謂的行政責任那民事責任的部分還有一塊除了車隊跟平台以外還有一個是車行車行必須負起民事責任所以之前所看到的案件他的民事的賠償大概車行就必須要負起責任那刑事的部分當然就在駕駛你看"},{"start":541.832,"end":560.947,"text":"上次那個丟包的事情平台你只罰他一萬多塊他第一時間說這不關我的事啊我只負責媒介我現在講的不是車隊我講的是平台是 車隊跟這個平台其實是綁在一起的我們是罰車隊比較多因為他要負起行政管理責任但是他們會綁在一起"},{"start":561.647,"end":582.962,"text":"車隊沒有辦法去做不是他在做這個媒介的工作啦很多國家我現在給你看我因為時間的關係啦你現在目前你根本沒有一個監理手段啦你去比較一下台灣跟新加坡英國澳洲韓國我們台灣幾乎是政府是完全沒有監理手段你這種事情其他國家這種平等他絕對不敢說這不關我的事"},{"start":583.462,"end":585.044,"text":"我們會盡量讓平台要負起責任你要去修改保障消費者權益 保障司機我們會盡量保障消費者的權益 這個我們會來努力委員這個建議很好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:34.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:49.330000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，本席邀請交通部陳部長、中油方董事長，還有能源署吳代理署長。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:49.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:50.171000+08:00","text":"請陳部長、中油方董事長、能源署吳代理署長。","quality":0.389},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:52.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:52.854000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:53.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:53.674000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:54.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:30:57.756000+08:00","text":"這次的中東危機，謝謝啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:30:57.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:02.478000+08:00","text":"我想政府相關部門大家都很合作，也很辛苦啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:02.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:19.384000+08:00","text":"至少我們目前一些物價的調漲跟其他國家來比，看起來臺灣其實狀況都還控制得不錯，當然，未來的危機還沒有解除。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:21.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:31.720000+08:00","text":"所以第一個想請教，尤其像天然氣，因為天然氣除了有民生的用途以外還有發電，我們天然氣的法定儲量是幾天？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:33.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:34.744000+08:00","text":"今年是11天。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:35.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:39.329000+08:00","text":"我們現在手裡確定掌握的量有多少？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:40.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:42.474000+08:00","text":"目前掌握大概都維持在12天以上。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:44.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:45.676000+08:00","text":"好，所以法定11天，我們到12天。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:45.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:49.359000+08:00","text":"那麼4（本）月份的供應量有沒有問題？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:49.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:50.140000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:50.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:50.420000+08:00","text":"5月份呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:50.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:52.081000+08:00","text":"5月沒有問題。6月呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:52.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:53.022000+08:00","text":"6月也沒問題。7月？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:53.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:55.764000+08:00","text":"現在我們在布局是7月以後的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:55.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:31:56.145000+08:00","text":"7月以後？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:31:56.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:05.652000+08:00","text":"所以至少目前有3個月、幾乎3個月（4月、5月、6月）天然氣的供應量，我們中油有掌握住了嘛？","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:05.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:06.352000+08:00","text":"是，都掌握住了。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:08.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:13.538000+08:00","text":"另外就是油價，以九五無鉛汽油來講，我們大概漲了18%嘛？","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:13.538000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:14.538000+08:00","text":"對，差不多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:13.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:13.678000+08:00","text":"未來還會再調漲嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:13.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:13.838000+08:00","text":"未來會不會調漲……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:13.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:17.260000+08:00","text":"看我們現在掌握的供應量，你覺得是比上個月還要好了，狀況有緩和了，還是更嚴重？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:31.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:37.818000+08:00","text":"在量的部分，現在掌握的情形是比上個月要好得很多了。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:38.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:42.101000+08:00","text":"如果好很多的話，未來可望不會再調漲了吧？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:42.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:45.607000+08:00","text":"這是量的部分，但價格的部分就要看每個月……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:46.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:47.487000+08:00","text":"國際的油價？","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:47.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:32:50.827000+08:00","text":"國際油價變化的情形，再來做每週的檢討。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:32:50.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:12.408000+08:00","text":"好，第一個，至少我們臺灣的油價……像有的國家根本是漲翻天了，漲一倍以上都有，甚至根本買不到油，所以加油站大排長龍，因此我要肯定我們政府團隊讓民心安定，所以你看到加油站沒有人在排隊吧？是。","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:13.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:15.511000+08:00","text":"我想中油應該也有特別注意到這種狀況嘛？對。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:16.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:27.142000+08:00","text":"因為有的國家是根本有錢也加不到油，所以加油站就出現恐慌性的，大家跑去排隊，至少這個在臺灣也沒有看到啦！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:27.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:31.307000+08:00","text":"沒有，目前加油站的機制都有維持，和戰前是一模一樣的。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:32.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:48.834000+08:00","text":"所以我們希望政府相關部會，我們這個團隊大家未來要緊密的合作，至少在危機還沒有解除前，因為現在看起來也不知道什麼時候會解除，這也沒有人知道，我們大家持續努力，謝謝，大家辛苦啦！謝謝。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:48.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:49.034000+08:00","text":"好，兩位請回座。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:49.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:33:49.334000+08:00","text":"能源署有沒有要補充的？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"吳代理署長志偉","start":"2026-04-15T10:33:57.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:09.914000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，基本上剛剛委員問的那個部分我們會持續滾動檢討相關的機制，我們還是秉持著量要足、價要穩的政策，以上，謝謝。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:09.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:12.155000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，兩位請回座，我請陳部長。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:15.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:21.659000+08:00","text":"陳部長，我另外再跟你關心一個民生問題，部長有沒有坐過多元計程車？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:21.659000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:22.659000+08:00","text":"時常坐。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:21.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:23.320000+08:00","text":"你當到部長，我看沒機會坐了啦！","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:24.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:24.740000+08:00","text":"有啦，時常坐。有喔？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:25.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:25.781000+08:00","text":"你當到部長還要坐？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:26.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:27.341000+08:00","text":"幾乎每個禮拜都會坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:27.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:30.023000+08:00","text":"那是我們在坐的耶！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:30.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:34:30.823000+08:00","text":"我也有在坐，每個禮拜都有在坐。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:34:31.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:35:08.796000+08:00","text":"你知道現在計程車大部分都已經是透過網路平臺、多元計程車了，多元計程車網路平臺已經達到了72.5%，現在的司機已經很少會巡迴攬客了，大概只有臺北市還看得到，其他很多地方有空計程車在街上跑已經很少了，尤其現在油價這麼貴，所以已經72.5%都是透過網路叫車，或者是招呼站，或者是熟客客人指定叫車，或者是定點排班。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:35:10.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:35:36.510000+08:00","text":"我們臺灣多元計程車登記的數量，我記得我剛到交通委員會的那一年，臺灣的多元計程車不到1,000臺，大概八百多臺，到現在2025年，臺灣的多元計程車已經從800部增加到36,000部，增加4.5倍。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:35:38.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:35:45.948000+08:00","text":"這其中我就要跟部長討論一個平臺的問題，前幾天有發生兩個新聞，你有沒有看到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:35:46.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:00.092000+08:00","text":"第一個，很不幸的，臺64線發生多元計程車把一個年輕人強行丟包在快速道路上，這位年輕人就被後續的4臺車給撞死了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:01.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:16.961000+08:00","text":"第二個，有家長指控Uber的司機把他13歲的女兒丟包，好像是他女兒改變路線之類的，駕駛就把他丟在路邊，因為駕駛趕著說他要接下一個單。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:18.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:35.834000+08:00","text":"這種狀況下，13歲未成年少女身上一毛錢都沒有，就站在路邊哭，所以出現一個問題，如果像這樣消費者權益受損，甚至發生命案的，平臺有沒有需要負的責任？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:35.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:43.319000+08:00","text":"像第一個案例旅客被丟包撞死的，這個平臺說：「不關我的事啊，我只是負責媒介。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:45.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:52.323000+08:00","text":"」它說只是負責媒合叫車，平臺拒絕並認為法律上它沒有任何的責任。","quality":0.536},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:53.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:57.144000+08:00","text":"但實際上，第一個，平臺是審核司機的資格，對不對？","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:58.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:36:59.725000+08:00","text":"第二個，平臺派單邏輯是它決定的啦！","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:36:59.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:37:15.093000+08:00","text":"第三，價錢也是平臺訂的，有它的價格機制，而且它有抽取佣金，所以它透過對司機的評價系統，甚至可以影響司機的收入和他的生活。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:37:17.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:37:27.701000+08:00","text":"換句話說，現在平臺掌控了整個運輸服務的核心權力，平臺的權力很大啦，對不對？","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:37:27.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:37:32.484000+08:00","text":"這都是它的權力嘛，一旦發生重大事故，平臺現在說：「我只是媒合！","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:37:34.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:37:41.431000+08:00","text":"」它把風險還有賠償的責任全部都丟給駕駛，甚至我們整個社會要來承擔。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:37:41.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:37:57.483000+08:00","text":"這種有權無責，在過去你不會感受到，但現在臺灣的多元計程車已經達到這麼高的數量了，而且國人的使用習慣以及駕駛加入平臺叫車系統已經超過七成了。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:37:58.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:38:20.459000+08:00","text":"在這樣狀況下，我們對於平臺的裁罰或者管理，你看撞死人的那一次，司機丟包害那個人被撞死了，我們只裁罰平臺一萬多塊，才罰一萬多塊而已，它負的責任跟它掌有的權力顯然不成比例嘛！","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:38:21.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:38:47.829000+08:00","text":"我們再來看其他國家，現在很多國家、幾乎全世界都是平臺叫多元計程車，像新加坡是平臺有很重的責任，你注意看，他的政府監理手段我也給大家參考，政府是可以撤銷營運執照的；英國也是；澳洲也是；韓國也是；只有臺灣平臺是沒有責任的，政府也沒什麼監理手段！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:38:49.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:38:58.116000+08:00","text":"請教一下部長，你覺得多元計程車的平臺是否應該要負起相關責任？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:38:58.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:01.939000+08:00","text":"還有政府是不是應該要有一定的監理手段？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:02.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:03.240000+08:00","text":"部長，你的看法呢？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:04.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:06.795000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，確實平臺也應該要負起一些責任啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:07.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:16.101000+08:00","text":"所以目前對於交通部來講，平臺跟車隊其實是綁在一起的，從我們的角度來看，他們都是要共同負起所謂的行政責任。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:17.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:30.611000+08:00","text":"至於民事責任的部分還有一塊，除了車隊跟平臺以外，還有一個是車行，車行必須負起民事責任，所以之前所看到案件，民事的賠償大概車行就必須要負起責任，而刑事的部分當然就在駕駛身上。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:30.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:38.217000+08:00","text":"你看上次那個丟包的事情，平臺你只罰它一萬多塊，它第一時間說：「這不關我的事啦，我只負責媒介」。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:38.217000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:39.217000+08:00","text":"車隊的部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:38.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:40.559000+08:00","text":"我現在講的不是車隊，我講的是平臺。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:41.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:50.927000+08:00","text":"是，車隊跟平臺其實是綁在一起的，我們是罰車隊比較多，因為它要負起行政管理責任，他們是綁在一起。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:51.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:39:54.369000+08:00","text":"但是坦白講，車隊沒有辦法去做，不是它在做媒介的工作啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:39:54.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:09.119000+08:00","text":"很多國家……我現在給你看，因為時間的關係，目前你根本沒有一個監理手段，你去比較一下臺灣跟新加坡、英國、澳洲、韓國，我們臺灣幾乎是……政府是完全沒有監理手段。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:09.119000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:10.119000+08:00","text":"委員在建議的這個方向……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:09.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:13.462000+08:00","text":"這種事情在其他國家的這種平臺，它絕對不敢說這不關我的事，我只負責媒合。","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:13.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:13.823000+08:00","text":"委員建議的這個很正確，我們會儘量讓平臺要負起責任，這個部分我們來做討論。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:13.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:14.243000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，該修改的法規你要去修改，要保障消費者、司機的權益，好不好？","quality":0.414},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:14.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:15.044000+08:00","text":"是，我們會儘量來保障消費者的權益，這個我們會來努力，委員這個建議很好，謝謝。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:15.544000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:16.686857+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:16.986857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:18.129714+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:18.429714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:21.286857+08:00","text":"謝謝林俊憲召委的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:21.586857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:24.729714+08:00","text":"接著有請陳雪生委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（林委員俊憲）","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:25.029714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:35.601143+08:00","text":"陳委員稍等，待會黃健豪委員發言完，我會處理臨時提案；徐富癸委員發言完，我們休息10分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（林委員俊憲）","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:35.901143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:37.901143+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，請陳委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}