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那很多錢你們要地方政府去租我地方政府也只是打平而已我沒有賺到錢不像其他各縣市政府"},{"start":541.881,"end":558.772,"text":"金門多了一百多億啊我們沒有多啊,我們一兩億都沒多啊不公平嘛報告委員其實交通部也沒有賺到錢,交通部也是減少的啊那我們只要我們擁有的預算一定會全力來協助地方,這個您放心"},{"start":561.182,"end":587.481,"text":"不是,我沒有去責難你的意思,我是希望就是說你將心比心嘛,你也是立法委員的立場來看待交通部好不好你不要一直站在交通部的立場來看我們立法委員有沒有在那邊胡扯亂扯我沒有欸我對你們是很有善的委員都是為了地方在爭取這個我了解有啊,我也為了你們交通部也在努力啊"},{"start":588.442,"end":600.137,"text":"是不是,每次審議算,我們召委、拒絕委員跟我,你看同事多少年了是不是,好不好謝謝委員那他在說我了齁,時間到了我就不講了好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:57.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:57.725000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:57.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:58.426000+08:00","text":"是不是請部長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:58.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:58.726000+08:00","text":"好，請陳部長。早。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:59.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:40:59.826000+08:00","text":"部長，今天天氣很好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:40:59.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:00.106000+08:00","text":"天氣還蠻溫暖的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:00.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:00.327000+08:00","text":"馬祖霧很大。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:21.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:25.518000+08:00","text":"這個季節，春天在馬祖跟金門起霧的機率比較高一些。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:26.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:28.020000+08:00","text":"來個雨，太陽一出來，霧很大。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:28.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:29.521000+08:00","text":"霧就起來了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:29.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:37.127000+08:00","text":"雲高也不對，能見度也不行，所以最近新臺馬輪發揮很大的作用。是。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:40.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:44.994000+08:00","text":"南北海運500噸的小船也發揮很大的功能。是。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:45.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:47.696000+08:00","text":"把一些旅客、觀光客、我們的民眾都運過來。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:52.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:54.269000+08:00","text":"請一下華航高董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:54.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:55.370000+08:00","text":"請華航高董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:55.370000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:56.370000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:55.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:57.190000+08:00","text":"高董，我今天要讚美你，你真的好棒棒！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:57.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:42:28.733000+08:00","text":"你當了董事長……我跟謝董很好，我跟你還不是很好，當然現在也很好了，你不但同意飛了馬祖，乘載了我們的航客，然後還要加班，還要再飛一架次，是禮拜一，對嘛？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:42:30.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:42:32.255000+08:00","text":"這個計畫成熟了沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高董事長星潢","start":"2026-04-15T10:42:32.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:42:36.879000+08:00","text":"現在就等第十三架的ATR到了就可以了。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:42:38.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:42:47.446000+08:00","text":"好，昨天我們傅崐萁總召很緊張，因為現在油價的因素，你是不是要停掉花蓮的航班？","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:42:48.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:42:48.727000+08:00","text":"有這個打算嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高董事長星潢","start":"2026-04-15T10:42:56.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:43:17.184000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們現在希望在某一些情況之下不要浪費掉運能，把這個運能放到地面交通沒有辦法到達的，像離島，對我們來講、對民生來講，應該是比較重要的航線，目前都還在討論當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:43:18.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:43:24.720000+08:00","text":"不過基於對委員的尊重，區域委員有他的壓力，還是要溝通、協調，好不好？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:43:25.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:43:32.742000+08:00","text":"尤其在油料上漲，我一直深怕你們……當然你沒得停了，一個禮拜只有一班嘛，對不對？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:43:33.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:43:43.304000+08:00","text":"立榮的話，我就怕它減班什麼的，當然立榮是民間的航空公司，所以我覺得高董上來以後，對我們釋出很大的善意。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:43:44.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:43:46.266000+08:00","text":"部長，你要褒揚他一下。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:43:47.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:43:47.227000+08:00","text":"是，當然！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:43:48.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:43:48.568000+08:00","text":"好，請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:43:50.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:11.468000+08:00","text":"部長，講到航空公司，我再提一下，昨天國發會有開會，對有關離島相關的一些補助，很糟糕，昨天就已經否決了、不同意了。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:12.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:30.474000+08:00","text":"部長，你如果站在我的角度，你是立法委員，你站在這裡，然後你在那邊審預算，我們很多預算已經被否決掉了，你叫我審預算，審什麼預算？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:32.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:34.835000+08:00","text":"你叫我審預算，審誰的預算？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:35.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:41.258000+08:00","text":"我的預算都被你否決掉啦，我一定全部都把它砍掉，一定是這樣嘛！","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:41.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:42.518000+08:00","text":"如果是你，是不是這樣子？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:43.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:46.260000+08:00","text":"如果你是立法委員，會不會這樣？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:46.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:47.340000+08:00","text":"不一定，要看情況。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:47.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:51.382000+08:00","text":"不一定喔，你學佛的啊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:52.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:53.102000+08:00","text":"你是哪一教的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:54.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:58.424000+08:00","text":"天主教、基督教，我找不到這樣的信徒。是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:58.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:45:03.186000+08:00","text":"我昨天已經知道你把我地區的預算都砍、砍、砍，全部砍掉。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:45:04.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:45:05.927000+08:00","text":"觀光署有沒有來？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:45:06.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:45:06.187000+08:00","text":"觀光署在這邊。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:45:09.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:45:13.021000+08:00","text":"副署長，你把我的預算全部都砍掉了。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:45:13.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:45:15.002000+08:00","text":"觀光署沒有砍啦！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:45:15.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:45:47.205000+08:00","text":"有，行銷活動及智慧旅遊品質提升計畫，離島基金你們要給5,600萬，昨天好像已經沒了，現在中央是交通部觀光署，你們也沒辦法保證，這個七期中間就停擺了嘛，停擺了你要離島基金幹什麼？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:45:47.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:46:04.885000+08:00","text":"國發會都不給離島基金，不是只有金門、馬祖，金門、馬祖是國民黨的，還有澎湖，澎湖是民進黨籍的執政，這個不能這樣搞嘛，你這樣審預算叫我怎麼審？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:46:07.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:46:10.955000+08:00","text":"我連審都不審，現在不是馬上要審預算了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:46:10.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:46:12.955000+08:00","text":"你這種態度的話，叫我怎麼審得下去？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:46:13.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:46:32.859000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，您說的行銷部分，是因為馬祖連江縣政府提出計畫的時間有比較晚一點，所以有點來不及，不過觀光署已經有跟國發會來協調過了，現在送過來之後，後續還是會協助它來爭取到這個預算。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:46:33.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:46:37.701000+08:00","text":"我們要審預算也是延後了，多少天沒審了啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:46:38.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:46:44.262000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個部分不用擔心，我們跟國發會已經有共識了，是當時連江縣政府送得比較慢，我們也幫它克服了。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:46:44.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:02.338000+08:00","text":"不是不用擔心，我睡不著覺，你講不用擔心，你看還有與神同行2.0─媽祖海巡馬祖平安祈福，你們要給540萬，我們只有60萬，都被打回票了，都沒有了，這沒有道理吧！","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:03.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:10.641000+08:00","text":"委員，我剛剛有講過，這個也包含在剛剛那個案子裡面，我們已經跟國發會有共識了，我們後面會來協助它把這個預算編好。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:11.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:37.446000+08:00","text":"好，還有上一次我質詢你，大坵旅遊活動中心一億多都蓋好了，現在第二期計畫5,000萬，現在蓋了一半，蓋了一半房子在那邊等進度，你現在不撥5,000萬，那個是我們縣政府代執行，你知道嗎？是。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:37.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:38.867000+08:00","text":"本來這是觀光署要去執行的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:39.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:44.832000+08:00","text":"委員，大坵這個沒有問題啦，總預算過了就都不會有問題。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:44.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:46.093000+08:00","te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