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這些民間業者他們配合政府政策已經把相關的這些車子都已經準備好做好了也希望能夠順利的趕快上市趕快來進行這個商業上的這個行為但是因為大家市場上大家又在觀望所謂的50萬元的補助"},{"start":458.303,"end":474.913,"text":"有沒有一種可能性說既然如果這是確定要做的也是你們承諾要做的不管預算先強調這不是我們沒有省的沒有省預算的問題這個是本來就沒有編進去那既然這確定要做那是不是讓這個政策可以先上路你真的明年度編進來之後後續再去補嘛就跟你"},{"start":475.813,"end":486.018,"text":"報稅一樣啊 就跟你說這種房地合一稅要減稅一樣啊我後續再遞相關的文件來證明說我在這段期間買的車子我一樣可以適用這個50萬元電動車的補助要不然整個商業市場整個這種運氣就停下來了可以這樣做嗎"},{"start":491.241,"end":507.115,"text":"報告委員今年預算裡面沒有包含這一項那能不能這樣子指引我們回去再討論你什麼時候可以給大家一個說法我們今年一定會把這個細部的審查的計畫先把它提好明年只要時間一到提進來我們就辦法順利來審查"},{"start":508.9,"end":525.485,"text":"這沒問題我是說當然錢進來了預算都上路當然這沒問題但我現在說能不能先走我們的預算有沒有辦法這樣支應第一法規上行不行第二我們有沒有錢這也是很關鍵目前交通部的預算不太足夠的狀況底下能不能做我們討論一下"},{"start":526.545,"end":553.123,"text":"因為我要跟你講 我要先講 我肯定你們是好意你是要補助50萬元 讓大家能夠多多的去採購電動的這個貨車把過去舊的那種柴油 或者是這種汽油的這種貨車來把它淘汰掉希望往電動車的方向來發展 這個是OK的 我覺得是好的方向但問題是時間點 今天市場上已經有這個東西了那大家也都準備好 也配合經濟部 趕快把它弄出來準備要開始 要做了結果因為你丟出一個50萬元補助的這個補助 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