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這些民間業者他們配合政府政策已經把相關的這些車子都已經準備好做好了也希望能夠順利的趕快上市趕快來進行這個商業上的這個行為但是因為大家市場上大家又在觀望所謂的50萬元的補助"},{"start":458.303,"end":474.913,"text":"有沒有一種可能性說既然如果這是確定要做的也是你們承諾要做的不管預算先強調這不是我們沒有省的沒有省預算的問題這個是本來就沒有編進去那既然這確定要做那是不是讓這個政策可以先上路你真的明年度編進來之後後續再去補嘛就跟你"},{"start":475.813,"end":486.018,"text":"報稅一樣啊 就跟你說這種房地合一稅要減稅一樣啊我後續再遞相關的文件來證明說我在這段期間買的車子我一樣可以適用這個50萬元電動車的補助要不然整個商業市場整個這種運氣就停下來了可以這樣做嗎"},{"start":491.241,"end":507.115,"text":"報告委員今年預算裡面沒有包含這一項那能不能這樣子指引我們回去再討論你什麼時候可以給大家一個說法我們今年一定會把這個細部的審查的計畫先把它提好明年只要時間一到提進來我們就辦法順利來審查"},{"start":508.9,"end":525.485,"text":"這沒問題我是說當然錢進來了預算都上路當然這沒問題但我現在說能不能先走我們的預算有沒有辦法這樣支應第一法規上行不行第二我們有沒有錢這也是很關鍵目前交通部的預算不太足夠的狀況底下能不能做我們討論一下"},{"start":526.545,"end":553.123,"text":"因為我要跟你講 我要先講 我肯定你們是好意你是要補助50萬元 讓大家能夠多多的去採購電動的這個貨車把過去舊的那種柴油 或者是這種汽油的這種貨車來把它淘汰掉希望往電動車的方向來發展 這個是OK的 我覺得是好的方向但問題是時間點 今天市場上已經有這個東西了那大家也都準備好 也配合經濟部 趕快把它弄出來準備要開始 要做了結果因為你丟出一個50萬元補助的這個補助 所以"},{"start":556.986,"end":568.944,"text":"消費者覺得說那我如果現在買我就虧五十萬欸不是五萬是五十萬當然對這些這些自營商或中廠企業主來講這影響非常大嘛委員在說是要解決今年的問題對啊我們來討論一下好不好我們來討論一下OK謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:23.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:28.783000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們一樣先請交通部陳部長，然後再請鐵道局楊局長。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:28.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:28.803000+08:00","text":"請陳部長、楊局長。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:34.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:34.450000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:35.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:35.090000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:35.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:52:01.015000+08:00","text":"部長，一開始還是要跟你就教一下我們臺中捷運幾個問題，我最關心當然是我們捷運綠線延伸的問題，我們在114年1月13號的時候有去現勘，那時候現場有一些結論，臺中市政府在今（115）年2月26號的時候有提報相關的綜合規劃到交通部，我想肯定，肯定什麼呢？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:52:01.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:52:03.936000+08:00","text":"4月8號你們把它退回了，肯定什麼？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:52:03.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:52:19.780000+08:00","text":"就是至少這個時程沒有拖很久才退回，2月26號到4月8號，中間經過兩個連假，所以整個時間大概是在一個月內，看一看後你們覺得不合適就把它退回，你們的目的是希望等到彰東都市計畫內政部核定後，再來提報審議。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:52:19.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:52:35.850000+08:00","text":"這個我們討論過非常多次，因為彰化的都市計畫不在臺中市可以管轄的範圍裡面，所以如果要求要到彰東都市計畫提報審議才能審議的話，我想這條捷運的進度會一直無限期的延長。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:52:37.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:53:00.734000+08:00","text":"這一次你們退回的理由有提到要等到彰東都市計畫核定後才能去送，可是當初我們談的應該是那個核定後才報院，才去報行政院，現在在這個階段你就把它退回，市府一定想要重送，身為臺中的立委，想問一件事情：我們重送給交通部的時候，要符合什麼樣的條件，你才不會再把它退回，才能進入正式的審議階段？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:53:01.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:53:02.256000+08:00","text":"我請局長回答。好。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-15T10:53:04.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:53:10.806000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為當初院核定的時候，可行性研究的時候就附帶這樣一個核定的指示啦！對。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-15T10:53:10.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:53:25.961000+08:00","text":"也就是希望彰東都市計畫通過之後，再來提報行政院，現階段交通部要進行審議的話，顯然這會變成是一個要件，也就是這個部分沒有達成就沒有辦法完成這一個行政上面審查的程序。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:53:26.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:53:38.933000+08:00","text":"我記得那時候我們在考察的時候也提到一件事情，就是希望這個能同步進行，你可以先一邊審，因為你的審查又不是今天送明天就會好，可能在你們一邊審的時候，搞不好彰東都市計畫那邊會有些變數，會有些可能，對不對？","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-15T10:53:39.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:53:50.964000+08:00","text":"了解，其他有關技術跟財務及運量的部分，我們可以來同步進行相關的審查動作，但是如果我們要送出門，恐怕這一個行政院的要件必須要達成。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:53:51.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:54:18.315000+08:00","text":"對啊，現在的問題是……我們不要花太多時間在這個事情上面，我是在想今天我要重新送到交通部來審，審完後你才會報院嘛，中間還要經過國發會，有的沒有的，很多行政作業的時間，今天你們已經退回了，4月8號退回臺中市政府之後，臺中市政府如果要重送，它一定要有一個什麼樣的改變才有意義，請你們明確指示一下，它重送的話要怎麼樣？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:54:18.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:54:28.499000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，現在臺中市政府送過來，您剛剛所提到的，包含它的經費，包含它的技術層面等等，我們先做實質的審議，真正來做討論。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T10:54:28.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:54:41.224000+08:00","text":"對於行政院所要求的那個大方向，如果不符合，我們沒辦法送出去，但您所關心的，希望就其他的面向，我們來做實際上的審查，這個我們可以來做，沒有問題。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:54:41.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:54:43.505000+08:00","text":"好，那我知道了，我們後面再來溝通。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:54:44.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:36.114000+08:00","text":"再來，一樣還是捷運的問題，我們臺中市太多捷運都還停擺，卡住，不是停擺啦，藍線也是個問題，在113年1月29號的時候，行政院原則同意藍線綜合規劃案，當初原則同意的公文裡面有一句話，因為是原則同意，所以會有些條件，一樣要報請行政院，在計畫動工前報院核定，這個計畫在113年5月21號，也就是兩年前的5月21號，交通部有幫我們核轉到行政院去，但從那個時候到現在，行政院還是一直沒有回市政府到底後續怎麼樣，包含在這份公文裡面，當然後續我再跟你討論，臺中市的藍線已經動工了，但是當初公文裡面有一件事情是說動工前要報院核定這個新的計畫，這個東西如果沒有完備的話，會不會影響到我們後續動工的流程？會嗎？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:38.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:44.320000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個程序我們有在follow，目前我們的觀察是應該不會有影響。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:44.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:45.280000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:45.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:23.442000+08:00","text":"再來是橘線的問題，橘線在113年7月2號，也是兩年前，交通部終於原則同意我們的可行性計畫，中間經過幾個流程，10月1號市府送到交通部，交通部後來核轉到行政院去，在114年8月1號市府又重新送了一遍要促參，後來促參那邊說不用促參，所以115年2月2號，交通部現在終於把這個可行性研究送到行政院審議了，從113年7月2號到115年2月2號，歷經這段時間，現在已經送過去行政院核定，送行政院核定，到底什麼時候會回來給臺中市政府？","quality":0.856},{"speaker":"黃委員健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guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:45.243000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:45.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:45.944000+08:00","text":"OK，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:46.444000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:48.444000+08:00","text":"感謝黃健豪召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:48.744000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:55.029714+08:00","text":"各位委員，現在處理臨時提案，請議事人員一併宣讀。一、","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:55.329714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:09.044000+08:00","text":"嘉義市一直是雲嘉南地區門戶，依據官方統計資料顯示，114年高鐵嘉義站全年進出旅客670萬人次，平均日運量達1萬8千人次。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:09.344000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:23.344000+08:00","text":"隨著嘉義市各項建設相繼完工，加上觀光產業蓬勃發展，未來台積電進駐嘉義科學園區設廠營運後，將帶來動更多人潮。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:23.644000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:30.786857+08:00","text":"惟，目前嘉義站往返台北的快車僅早晚各一班，運能明顯不足。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:31.086857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:49.372571+08:00","text":"為因應嘉義市地方發展，並保障民眾通勤權益，請交通部會同高鐵公司，研議增開嘉義站往返台北之快車與夜間班次，以提供更為即時、便捷的高鐵運輸服務。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:49.672571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:53.386857+08:00","text":"陳素月　　徐富癸　　何欣純　　王美惠二、","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:53.686857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:49.401143+08:00","text":"有鑑於國內花蓮航線因近年天災不斷導致載客率不理想，又因近期發生中東戰爭面臨油價成本上漲的困境，航空業者出現停飛航班的聲音，但基於維護國人交通平權，保障花東居民的基本交通權益及積極促進花東觀光發展，交通部實應負起最大責任，切實督導民用航空局及觀光署善用各種政策資源如：強化營運補貼、建立公共服務航線（PSO）制度、調整燃油附加費或租金減免、建立緊急應變機制、觀光資源整合等以確保國內花蓮航線維持現有航班，提供正常空運運輸。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:49.701143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:04.844000+08:00","text":"爰此，要求交通部針對「國內花蓮航線─國家級的承諾、備援生命線的持續運行，以落實區域平衡、交通平權」於二周內提出專案報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:05.144000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:13.429714+08:00","text":"黃健豪　　萬美玲　　陳雪生　　洪孟楷　　魯明哲　　傅崐萁　　鄭天財Sra Kacaw","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:13.729714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:14.729714+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:15.029714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:21.315429+08:00","text":"針對第一案，請問各位委員及行政單位，有沒有意見？請。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾副總經理蕊芳","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:21.615429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:25.901143+08:00","text":"跟主席報告，臺灣高鐵公司補充說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾副總經理蕊芳","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:26.201143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:37.629714+08:00","text":"114年高鐵嘉義站全年進出旅客人次是671萬人次，高鐵公司會就委員的建議，進行後續的研議評估，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:37.929714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:43.358286+08:00","text":"感謝，就是稍微修正一下進出站的人次，由「670」改為「671」。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:43.658286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:48.801143+08:00","text":"好，各位委員如果沒有意見，本案就修正通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:49.101143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:52.529714+08:00","text":"第二案，各位委員有沒有意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:52.829714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:55.115429+08:00","text":"請黃健豪委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:55.415429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:57.701143+08:00","text":"召委，抱歉，補充一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T11:03:58.001143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:28.858286+08:00","text":"其實大家都很關心花蓮對外的聯絡交通，所以今天非常多黨籍委員也都一起來關心這個案子，希望還是要站在交通的角度，尤其花蓮的地形、氣候比較特殊，跟西部的城市不太一樣，所以我們還是要考量到當地民眾的運具需求，希望交通部能夠支持這個提案，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:29.158286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:32.301143+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，交通部有沒有意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"何局長淑萍","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:32.601143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:40.315429+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我是建議最後一行「提出專案報告」改成「提出書面報告」。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員健豪","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:40.615429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:41.615429+08:00","text":"好，可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:41.915429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:44.201143+08:00","text":"好，謝謝黃健豪委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:44.501143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:48.501143+08:00","text":"委員如果沒有意見，本案修正通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:48.801143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:04:58.229714+08:00","text":"臨時提案處理完畢，各位委員如果對上述提案有要補簽的，列入紀錄，並刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:04:58.529714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:05:06.244000+08:00","text":"現在繼續進行詢答，請徐富癸委員發言，徐委員發言完後，休息10分鐘。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}