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的績效的表現跟第五屆並沒有什麼差距但是事實上我們有幾個特色的地方就是說我們有一個委託調查的案件就是過去委託調查案件就是說這些就變成不是我們由我們監察院直接查我們要求他的主管機關上級等等直接調查"},{"start":379.477,"end":398.725,"text":"那但是這個調查的部分真正被我們發現有問題就最後平反了也將近有389件的相關案件好的了解了謝謝我們今年還有一個我還有其他的問題要問因為我覺得這是一個大問題那麼我也希望就是監察院可能之後"},{"start":399.485,"end":416.141,"text":"或是在之後有機會的話你們也可以把你們相關處理的情況然後再做個更詳細的報告是 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全民都在看那接下來我還有其他的問題就是今天其實其他的委員們也有提到"},{"start":658.73,"end":684.544,"text":"賴清德總統他在3月10號的時候他其實已經有公布了就是要對外要徵選監察委員就是監察委員的候選人可是其實民進黨政府向來主張廢除監察院那麼賴清德他之前在當台南市市長的時候他也是認為說根本不應該要有監察院主張廢掉監察院還說他是個憲政怪獸"},{"start":687.925,"end":711.877,"text":"那麼賴清德總統他現在因為已經有了這個不提名大法官的這樣的一個潛力所以接下來他有沒有可能也消極的不提名監察委員這我沒辦法代替這個總統回答這不是監察院能夠回答的問題如果說是賴清德又像是陳雪扁一樣"},{"start":713.285,"end":726.238,"text":"他根本就不提名因為我相信或許民進黨政府現在不是那麼容易找到適合的監察委員的候選人那麼針對這個部分現在監察院內部有沒有一些準備"},{"start":727.621,"end":745.626,"text":"我剛才講過整個監察院絕對不會對於沒有監委這件事情做任何的準備我們的目標還是依法希望未來監委能夠在下一屆第七屆能夠在八月一號就職我還是希望賴慶德總統可以"},{"start":747.406,"end":768.081,"text":"一線提名監察委員的候選人但是就像我講的我不確定他到底會不會提名那麼如果說他不提名的話我也希望監察院要立場要立場不要像司法院司法院憲法法庭癱瘓至今司法院院長有去向賴清德總統表態嗎說因為賴清德總統的消極不提名已經癱瘓了憲法法庭"},{"start":776.451,"end":799.981,"text":"所以本期希望監察院必須要有立場如果說在這一屆監察委員任期屆滿之前都還沒有作為的話應該要積極而且要公開的向賴清德總統喊話必須要提名監察委員的候選人好 那麼最後一個議題"},{"start":802.11,"end":813.205,"text":"就是剛剛前面幾個委員也都有在談到有關於這個之前有好幾位監察委員以及監察院的秘書長"},{"start":814.884,"end":842.325,"text":"私用公務車的這個案子那麼我們的台北地檢署把這些案子這些所謂的這個監委的不當使用公務車的案子認為說這是因為監委自費油資沒有損壞公務難以認定犯罪所以就用行政牽結了但是這個案子的確是引起社會的爭議而且看到這樣子的一個牽結的結果大家是極為憤怒不滿的那麼"},{"start":844.983,"end":858.156,"text":"你們監察院自己內部的自律委員會針對這幾個監察委員後來大概也做了一些處理你們處理的結果就是"},{"start":860.831,"end":883.39,"text":"口頭或書面道歉 或者是針對蘇力窮委員不懲處 王榮章委員就促其注意林玉榮委員接受親友到機場 只要口頭或書面在院會道歉就好你們這樣的處理方式 我相信已經社會大眾看不下去"},{"start":885.596,"end":912.865,"text":"請教現在林育榮委員他有提口頭或書面道歉嗎有的他在院會裡面直接提出口頭道歉那有公開這份道歉函嗎他是向院會提出道歉不是向我們社會大眾提出道歉他在院會裡面有提出道歉所以有公開院會有記錄院會有記錄有錄案了這種事情其實這幾個委員都應該要向社會大眾道歉"},{"start":914.793,"end":925.872,"text":"你們看看你們自己的監察院監察委員使用車輛的規定有特別講到委員使用車輛因為要符合公務需求安全考量或者是符合社會相當性的活動"},{"start":928.508,"end":955.976,"text":"這幾位監察委員包含秘書長送寵物去美容然後接送親友到機場然後去看病這有符合所謂的社會相當性嗎所以我們在整個的紀律委員會的採取之中就是以他們這個有礙到這個社會的形象所以給予相關影響監察的形象所以要求他們在院會道歉這樣子"},{"start":956.716,"end":973.163,"text":"所以這幾位委員當然你們現在紀律委員會自己有做處理喔雖然說本席一直認為說你們紀律委員會的這樣的一個自律規範它是不夠的應該要比照立法委員的行為法然後本席之前也有提出監察委員的行為法"},{"start":974.463,"end":988.331,"text":"增加更多的這個紀律的懲處的措施好那現在就是說你幾個監察委員看起來你們紀律委員會已經處理了雖然說所做的處分大家不盡滿意那接下來本席要換的就是說是針對李俊逸呢李俊逸秘書長因為他已經辭職了所以因為他已經辭職了所以他的行為你們就可以不追究嗎"},{"start":1000.752,"end":1022.132,"text":"依照你們的立案派查原則的第三點李俊逸的言行有沒有損害到監察院的形象有沒有損害到公務員的形象自律規範是規範委員我現在是講說你們自己監察院的立案派查原則裡面針對哪些案子要不要啟動調查"},{"start":1026.794,"end":1044.853,"text":"李俊毅的作為難道不構成你們裡面講的第三點的第三點裡面的第六款嚴刑或行政措施有沒有引起社會嚴重的爭議對立或民怨這個部分你們針對李俊毅"},{"start":1048.48,"end":1057.552,"text":"因為是去年的狀況我請副秘書長來跟您回應一下所以針對李俊逸的問題你們都沒有再處理嗎他一值了這筆賬就一筆勾銷了嗎"},{"start":1060.368,"end":1085.437,"text":"跟委員說明這個相關的三位監委的那部分是在114年6月6號有兩次的陳情檢舉案那所以呢我們就依照陳情檢舉案然後進入一般的我們的法定程序然後經過檢查業務處然後到移到紀律委員會紀律委員會派了七位的紀律委員會來調查我現在不是在講那三位監察我現在是講李俊逸的案子所以沒有人去檢舉李俊逸嗎"},{"start":1086.457,"end":1105.786,"text":"是 我們沒有收到任何的證據所以沒有檢舉你們就也不會依法調查你們的職權都是要等待被動的檢舉嗎李俊一的案子這麼嚴重他還利用公務車送他的狗去做寵物美容就是因為他已經離職了所以你們就可以不問不問你們連調查都沒有調查你們監察院可以做到這樣的一個程度嗎"},{"start":1113.786,"end":1132.586,"text":"這不應該是符合你們自己主動立案派查的情形所以難怪大家為什麼會把監察院看扁然後認為說你們只是打蒼蠅不打老虎李俊穎拍拍屁股就走了他的案子就輕鬆就是這個就"},{"start":1135.696,"end":1157.571,"text":"就放下了然後也不再去追究他的違法失職的責任李軍秘書長的事情其實檢察官也都有調查了其實他也是在牽結的司法權司法權監察權是監察權司法權行政牽結不代表監察權可以不去做調查我也是法律學者我對監察法是清楚的啊"},{"start":1164.082,"end":1190.229,"text":"對不對 你們今天對於李俊應的案子都可以不去調查然後對於一些小工友可能只是有一部分的這個很輕微的違法疏失可能立刻就調查這在一般人 一般社會大眾眼裡是看不下去這樣的情況的就像我們剛剛講 如果說連那三位監察委員你們還經過自己內部的紀律委員會"},{"start":1191.974,"end":1214.293,"text":"做了這樣的懲處雖然說只是觸及注意不懲處或者是口頭道歉這麼輕的這樣的一個處分但是至少還有處分吧但李俊逸的狀況連發動都沒有發動調查然後也沒有針對這案子去做積極處分我真的認為說"},{"start":1217.324,"end":1234.621,"text":"監察院這樣的一個行為是沒有辦法的李俊彬署長在去年也負起責任他負起什麼責任請告訴我他已經辭職了所以只要是我們現在政務官他有任何違法失職的情況他只要拍拍屁股辭職之後事後所有的司法責任公務責任都可以不用追究喔"},{"start":1240.373,"end":1245.857,"text":"民俗長,您跟我都是法律學者,您應該知道我在說什麼。"},{"start":1247.274,"end":1276.103,"text":"政務官不是說他辭職之後就不再負任何的責任的您今天這樣的談話讓我覺得實在不能接受所有社會大眾都不能接受我覺得您不用再幫李俊逸去辯護您也不用為前屆的監察委員做任何的辯解所以這也是讓大家會認為說這一屆的監察委員有太多失職 太多護航的情況"},{"start":1278.68,"end":1305.854,"text":"只是大家沒有這個我想之後有機會把它整理出來到底是護航了哪些大官眼前就是護航庇護這個李俊毅好那以上了我講說這個部分你們如果說是要等待要有檢舉陳秦涵才會辦理的話那本席今天回去之後我立刻就會提一個檢舉陳秦涵請監察院"},{"start":1308.942,"end":1311.671,"text":"一定要去處理李俊逸的案子"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:02.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:02.670000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請秘書長。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:02.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:03.011000+08:00","text":"請監察院黃秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:03.011000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:17.359000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:17.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:24.585000+08:00","text":"黃秘書長好，因為您新接任監察院的秘書長。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:24.585000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:25.585000+08:00","text":"謝謝指教。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:24.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:41.415000+08:00","text":"這份工作當然是不容易的，不過今天因為是您擔任秘書長，第一次到立法院來做立法計畫的報告，本席在這裡想給監察院一些建議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:41.415000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:41:42.415000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:41:41.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:42:18.552000+08:00","text":"事實上，因為本席擔任立法委員將近兩年，這是第五個會期了，但是我每個會期在看你們監察院的立法計畫，坦白說，薄薄的、1,000字左右，而且每個會期的立法計畫幾乎內容都是一樣的，固然監察院自己主管的法規有限，譬如說，你們希望能夠檢討的陽光四法不是屬於監察院的主管法律。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:42:18.552000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:42:19.552000+08:00","text":"對，不是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:42:19.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:42:48.450000+08:00","text":"還有你們希望能夠通過的監察法部分條文修正草案，這部分當然現在是存在立法院這裡，可是本席認為你們是不是之後在你們的立法計畫裡面可以稍微報告，或者說明監察院每一個年度監察委員職權行使的狀況？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:42:48.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:42:49.070000+08:00","text":"好的，應該的。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:42:49.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:42:50.791000+08:00","text":"為什麼我要這麼說呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:42:51.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:43:48.892000+08:00","text":"剛剛其實前面的委員們也有提到，這一屆的監察委員職權行使統計，因為馬上這一屆監察委員在7月31號任期屆滿，我們回顧他們這五年多來的行使監察權，也就是他們辦案的一些狀況，這部分我認為蠻重要的，應該要讓我們的民眾知道現在監察委員整個工作、任務執行的狀況，這部分因為你們沒有寫在你們的立法計畫裡面，本席也有特別去看，剛剛前面副秘書長、秘書長有講，你們到今年2月大概收受人民的書狀將近八萬五千件左右。對。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:43:49.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:49.977000+08:00","text":"實際上派查的案件只有1,683件，派查率不到2%，也就是說，這五年多來、將近六年的時間，預估可能到7月底這一屆監察委員任期屆滿，可能會突破9萬件或是10萬件，可是看看你們案件的派查率非常低，等於你們這六年多來可能最多就是處理大概1,700件左右的案子，其他的案子不是不處理或是不受理，或是可能用其他的方式去做，我想針對這樣的情況，老百姓是失望的，因為大家陳情的案件很多，可是卻看到監察院沒有積極的處理，這部分是不是請秘書長回應？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:49.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:55.301000+08:00","text":"跟委員回報，關於數字的部分，我是不是請我們副秘書長來說明？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:55.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:44:57.143000+08:00","text":"因為他長期在監察院，可以比較這幾屆的狀況先向你說明，後續我在政策上就您指摘的問題來說明。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:44:57.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:45:35.384000+08:00","text":"剛剛其實王副秘書長也有說了，你們認為跟其他國家相比起來不算太差，這樣的辦案效率不算太糟，可是本席要談的是，我們現在監察委員有29位，扣除院長跟副院長，有27位監察委員在辦案，如果以你們這樣的成績來看的話，平均每個人一年只辦10個案件，而且我們也看到……","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:45:35.384000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:45:36.745000+08:00","text":"沒有那麼少。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:45:36.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:46:02.780000+08:00","text":"事實上，大家期待的大案件你們其實辦得很少，或是說可能很簡單地就處理掉，但是對於基層公務員的案件你們倒是處理的速度很快，而且相對來說也比較多，所以這也難怪大家會質疑監察院到底是不是真的能夠發揮澄清吏治的功能。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:46:02.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:46:49.974000+08:00","text":"本席希望下一屆的監察委員，如果他們能夠順利任職的話，希望能夠提醒新任的監察委員們，還是要重視人民的陳情案件，因為我們從歷史上看過來的話，發現現在的辦案派查率等等其實不是一個很好的績效表現，假設下一屆的監察委員能夠順利到職、順利任職的話，我們希望這個部分能夠強化，可以辦理更多人民關心或眾所矚目的案子。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:46:50.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:29.660000+08:00","text":"是不是容我把數字部分簡單地說明一下，就是說，整體來看，我們第6屆監委的相關績效表現跟第5屆並沒有什麼差距，但是事實上我們也有幾個特色的地方，我們有一個委託調查的案件，過去委託調查案件就是說，這些就不是由我們監察院直接查，我們要求他的主管機關、上級等等直接調查，但是這個調查的部分，真正被我們發現有問題，最後平反的也將近有389件的相關案件……","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:29.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:30.981000+08:00","text":"好的，瞭解了，謝謝。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:30.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:32.121000+08:00","text":"而且我們今年還有一個……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:32.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:34.502000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我還有其他的問題要問……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:34.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:35.502000+08:00","text":"喔，不好意思。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:34.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:46.790000+08:00","text":"因為我覺得這是一個大問題，我也希望監察院在之後有機會的話，你們也可以把你們相關處理的情況再做個更詳細的報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:47.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:47.691000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:48.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:47:58.121000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要問的問題是，一般的陳情案件從收受、派案到立案調查或是不受理，監察院的標準作業時間大概是多少？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:47:58.121000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:00.839000+08:00","text":"我請副秘書長跟您回應。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:00.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:02.521000+08:00","text":"是否會函復陳情人？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:04.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:14.311000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，原則上，我們收受人民書狀，行政院的話是20天，我們是10天，我們是有規定的，是10天。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:16.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:22.298000+08:00","text":"我們在收到的第一時間就會讓民眾知道監察院收到了，我們會用一個簡單的……","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:22.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:24.801000+08:00","text":"所以你們10天之後就會開始分案派查？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:29.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:36.989000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實這是有一定的研析過程，因為我們有個監察業務處，裡面有專業同仁……","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:38.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:41.112000+08:00","text":"好，不管辦的情況如何，你們都會函復陳情人嗎？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:41.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:41.332000+08:00","text":"是的，除非……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:41.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:43.874000+08:00","text":"什麼時候會函復陳情人？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:44.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:49.418000+08:00","text":"報告委員，除非是說，比如他是匿名、匿址或者是有一些狀況……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:49.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:50.458000+08:00","text":"對，所以大概會是什麼時間呢？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:51.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:48:55.840000+08:00","text":"原則上，我們如果辦了有結果，就會函復陳情人。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:48:56.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:04.882000+08:00","text":"可是要跟委員附帶說明，去年因為預算真的是被砍得非常嚴重，所以連郵資，就是寄信給……","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:49:06.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:10.503000+08:00","text":"也就是說，你們現在函復陳情人的速度沒有以前快就是了，是不是？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:49:10.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:11.024000+08:00","text":"基本上……","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:49:11.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:49.856000+08:00","text":"好，現在本席要問的就是，我在去年12月23號和幾位立法委員們一起針對卓榮泰的違法失職（不副署、不執行、不編列預算）的行為，向監察院遞狀申請彈劾案的陳情案，因為這個案子涉及到憲法層次的問題，他不執行預算、不副署，這應該是很嚴重的、很明顯的違反憲政爭議的重大事由，請問現在監察院針對這個案子的公文流程到哪裡了？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:49:50.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:57.503000+08:00","text":"現在的流程是我們已經把這個案子移給司法及獄政委員會，他們正在研處之中。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:49:58.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:49:59.225000+08:00","text":"所以已經有立案了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:01.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:06.732000+08:00","text":"現在是提研究報告，等於是對於整個憲政體制做一個相關的了解。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:07.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:08.033000+08:00","text":"現在只是在研究階段？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:10.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:11.433000+08:00","text":"在委員會研究階段？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:11.433000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:12.433000+08:00","text":"對，這也是處理……","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:12.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:15.574000+08:00","text":"這不是非常明顯的一個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:16.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:19.456000+08:00","text":"這也是處理的一個層次，這也是整個處理的層次。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:19.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:28.959000+08:00","text":"所以到目前為止，也還沒有請卓榮泰、行政院……針對行政院院長的違法失職，他有沒有提出相關的說明呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:30.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:34.942000+08:00","text":"我請司法及獄政委員會的主任秘書來跟您說明。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳主任秘書先成","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:36.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:50:52.549000+08:00","text":"我們委員會在1月份的時候要求委員會的幕僚針對委員的案子就程序面跟實體面去加以研究，到底有沒有合乎權力分立，目前我們會做詳細的研判。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:50:53.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:01.635000+08:00","text":"所以我就講嘛，這也難怪大家會對於監察委員那麼不信任，質疑他是獨立依法行使職權嗎？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:01.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:18.600000+08:00","text":"你們看看你們自己的派案原則，你們監察院立案派查原則第三條講得很清楚，有沒有濫用職權，恣意妄為，足認侵犯憲法保障之基本人權？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:18.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:23.639000+08:00","text":"或是他的言行或行政措施，有沒有引發社會嚴重之爭議？","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:23.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:26.802000+08:00","text":"這是你們本身要趕快去做的，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:26.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:35.022000+08:00","text":"大家都一直在看監察院對於這種眾所矚目的案子有沒有積極的處理，我希望……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:35.022000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:36.303000+08:00","text":"是的，委員……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:36.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:42.808000+08:00","text":"這些監察委員，我看起來他們反正7月底就任期屆滿，也不會積極處理了啦！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:43.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:43.928000+08:00","text":"這個案子……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:44.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:51:50.833000+08:00","text":"這案子拖到下一屆可能就不了了之，但是我要說的就是全民都在看，全民都在看！","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:51:51.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:52:43.812000+08:00","text":"接下來我還有其他的問題，今天其實其他的委員們也有提到，賴清德總統在3月10號有公布要對外徵選監察委員候選人，可是民進黨政府向來主張廢除監察院，賴清德之前在當臺南市市長的時候也認為根本不應該要有監察院，主張廢掉監察院，還說它是個憲政怪獸，賴清德總統因為已經有了不提名大法官的這樣一個前例，所以接下來他有沒有可能也消極的不提名監察委員？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:52:43.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:52:49.935000+08:00","text":"這個我沒辦法代替總統回答，這不是監察院能夠回答的問題。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:52:49.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:53:08.238000+08:00","text":"今天大家其實都有在講，如果賴清德又像是陳水扁一樣，根本就不提名，我相信或許民進黨政府現在不是那麼容易找到適合的監察委員候選人，針對這個部分，現在監察院內部有沒有一些準備？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:53:09.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:53:26.305000+08:00","text":"我剛才講過，整個監察院絕對不會對於沒有監委這件事情做任何的準備，我們的目標還是依法，希望未來第7屆的監委能夠在8月1號就職。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:53:26.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:53:49.040000+08:00","text":"當然啦，我還是希望賴清德總統可以依憲提名監察委員候選人，但是就像我講的，我不確定他到底會不會提名，如果他不提名的話，我也希望監察院要有立場，不要像司法院，司法院憲法法庭癱瘓至今，司法院院長有去向賴清德總統表態嗎？","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:53:49.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:54:19.700000+08:00","text":"因為賴清德總統的消極不提名，已經癱瘓了憲法法庭，所以本席希望監察院必須要有立場，如果在這一屆監察委員任期屆滿之前都還沒有作為的話，應該要積極且公開地向賴清德總統喊話，必須要提名監察委員候選人。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:54:21.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:54:54.838000+08:00","text":"最後一個議題，剛剛前面幾個委員也都有談到之前有好幾位監察委員以及監察院秘書長私用公務車的案子，臺北地檢署對於這些所謂監委不當使用公務車的案子，認為監委自費油資，沒有損害公物，難以認定犯罪，所以就行政簽結了。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:54:55.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:04.165000+08:00","text":"但是這個案子的確引起社會的爭議，而且看到這樣一個簽結的結果，大家是極為憤怒不滿的。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:06.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:45.370000+08:00","text":"你們監察院自己內部的自律委員會針對這幾個監察委員大概也做了一些處理，你們的處理結果就是口頭或書面道歉，或者是針對……像是對蘇麗瓊委員是不懲處，對王榮璋章委員是促其注意，對林郁容委員接送親友到機場是只要口頭或書面在院會道歉就好，你們這樣的處理方式，我相信社會大眾真的已經看不下去了。","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:47.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:52.178000+08:00","text":"請教現在林郁容委員有提口頭或書面道歉嗎？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:52.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:55.018000+08:00","text":"有的，他在院會裡面直接提出口頭道歉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:55.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:59.680000+08:00","text":"有公開這份道歉函嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:59.680000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:00.680000+08:00","text":"口頭的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:59.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:03.021000+08:00","text":"他是向院會提出道歉，不是向社會大眾提出道歉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:03.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:04.642000+08:00","text":"對，他在院會裡面有提出道歉了。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:04.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:06.002000+08:00","text":"所以有公開？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:06.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:07.482000+08:00","text":"院會有紀錄。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:07.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:09.243000+08:00","text":"院會有紀錄，有錄案了。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:11.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:42.251000+08:00","text":"這種事情，其實這幾個委員都應該要向社會大眾道歉，你們看看你們自己監察院監察委員使用車輛的規定，有特別講到委員使用車輛是要公務需求、安全考量或符合社會相當性之活動，這幾位監察委員，包含秘書長送寵物去美容，接送親友到機場或是去看病，這有符合所謂的社會相當性嗎？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:42.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:57.756000+08:00","text":"所以我們紀律委員會的裁處就是以他們有礙社會形象，因為影響監察的形象，所以要求他們在院會道歉。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:59.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:11.361000+08:00","text":"對於這幾位委員，你們紀律委員會已經有做了處理，雖然本席一直認為你們紀律委員會這樣的自律規範是不夠的，應該要比照立法委員行為法。","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:12.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:19.485000+08:00","text":"本席之前也有提出監察委員行為法，要增加更多的紀律懲處措施。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:20.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:27.609000+08:00","text":"現在這幾個監察委員看起來你們紀律委員會已經處理了，雖然所做的處分大家不盡滿意，接下來本席要問的是……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:27.609000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:28.609000+08:00","text":"可是這是跟全體公務人員一致的……","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:27.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:27.809000+08:00","text":"針對李俊俋呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:27.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:28.350000+08:00","text":"李俊俋秘書長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:28.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:28.690000+08:00","text":"因為他已經辭職了，所以沒有處理。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:28.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:30.331000+08:00","text":"因為他已經辭職了，所以他的行為你們就可以不追究嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:30.331000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:42.752000+08:00","text":"當初的決定……","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:42.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:52.421000+08:00","text":"依照你們的立案派查原則第三點，李俊俋的言行有沒有損害到監察院的形象？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:52.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:54.543000+08:00","text":"有沒有損害到公務員的形象？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:55.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:57.746000+08:00","text":"因為自律規範是規範委員。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:57.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:04.112000+08:00","text":"我現在是說你們自己監察院的立案派查原則，針對哪些案子要不要啟動調查……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:04.112000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:08.794000+08:00","text":"這個要不要調查，這是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:08.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:26.592000+08:00","text":"李俊俋的作為難道不構成你們這個原則第三點第六款的「言行或行政措施，引發社會嚴重之爭議、對立或民怨者」，針對李俊俋就……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:30.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:33.764000+08:00","text":"委員，因為是去年的狀況，我請副秘書長來跟您回應。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:34.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:38.030000+08:00","text":"好，所以針對李俊俋的問題，你們都沒有在處理嗎？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:38.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:39.552000+08:00","text":"他離職了，這筆帳就一筆勾銷了嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:42.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:03.375000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，相關三位監委的部分，在114年6月6號有兩次的陳情檢舉案，所以就依照陳情檢舉案進入我們一般的法定程序，經過監察業務處，然後移到紀律委員會，紀律委員會派了7位紀律委員來調查……","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:03.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:07.437000+08:00","text":"我現在不是在講那三位監察委員，我現在是講李俊俋的案子，所以沒有人去檢舉李俊俋嗎？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:08.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:10.738000+08:00","text":"是，我們沒有收到任何的陳情檢舉。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:10.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:13.399000+08:00","text":"喔，是這樣，所以沒有人檢舉，你們也不會依法調查？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:14.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:16.160000+08:00","text":"你們的職權都是要等待被動的檢舉嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:16.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:27.025000+08:00","text":"李俊俋的案子這麼嚴重，他利用公務車送他的狗去做寵物美容，就因為他已經離職了，所以你們就可以不聞不問，你們連調查都沒有調查……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:27.025000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:28.025000+08:00","text":"我們目前是沒有……","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:27.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:27.786000+08:00","text":"監察院可以做到這樣的程度嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:35.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:40.591000+08:00","text":"這不應該符合你們自己主動立案派查的情形？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:43.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:03.880000+08:00","text":"難怪大家會把監察院看扁，認為你們只打蒼蠅不打老虎，李俊俋拍拍屁股就走了，他的案子就放下了，也不再去追究他違法失職的責任。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:04.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:09.604000+08:00","text":"包括李俊俋秘書長的事情，其實檢察官都有調查也簽結了，所以他的……","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:10.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:18.910000+08:00","text":"司法權是司法權，監察權是監察權，司法權行政簽結不代表監察權可以不去調查。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:18.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:26.202000+08:00","text":"我也是法律學者，我對監察法是清楚的，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:26.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:39.986000+08:00","text":"你們今天對於李俊俋的案子都可以不去調查，然後對於一些小工友，可能只有一部分、很輕微的違法疏失就立刻調查。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:41.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:00:46.507000+08:00","text":"這在一般社會大眾的眼裡是看不下這種情況。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:00:47.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:07.566000+08:00","text":"就像我剛剛講的，如果連那3位監察委員都還經過自己內部的紀律委員會做了這樣的懲處，雖然只是促其注意、不懲處，或者是口頭道歉這麼輕的處分，但是至少還有處分吧！","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:08.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:20.005000+08:00","text":"但李俊俋的狀況是連發動都沒有發動調查，也沒有針對這案子去做積極處分，我真的認為監察院這樣的行為是沒有辦法……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:20.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:23.488000+08:00","text":"其實李俊俋秘書長去年也負起責任了。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:23.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:24.649000+08:00","text":"他負起了什麼責任？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:24.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:25.130000+08:00","text":"請告訴我。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:25.130000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:27.032000+08:00","text":"他毅然辭職了，他已經辭職了。噢！","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:27.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:27.032000+08:00","text":"辭職了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:27.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:36.601000+08:00","text":"所以只要現在政務官有任何違法失職的情況，只要拍拍屁股辭職之後，事後所有的司法責任、公務責任都可以不用追究喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:42.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:01:47.857000+08:00","text":"秘書長，您跟我都是法律學者，您應該知道我在說什麼。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:01:49.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:00.577000+08:00","text":"政務官不是辭職之後就不用負任何責任的，您今天這樣的談話，讓我覺得實在是不能接受，我想所有的社會大眾都不能接受。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:00.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:09.920000+08:00","text":"我覺得您不用再幫李俊俋去辯護，您也不用再為前屆的監察委員做任何的辯解。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:10.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:34.967000+08:00","text":"這也讓大家認為這一屆的監察委員有太多失職、太多護航的情況，只是大家沒有……我想之後如果有機會就把它整理出來，到底護航了哪些大官，像眼前就是在護航、庇護李俊俋。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:39.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:53.651000+08:00","text":"對於這個部分，你們如果說要等待、要有檢舉陳情函才會辦理的話，那本席今天回去之後立刻就會提一個檢舉陳情函，請監察院一定要去處理李俊俋的案子。是。好。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:54.151000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:02:57.293857+08:00","text":"謝謝翁委員，也謝謝監察院。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（翁委員曉玲）","start":"2026-04-15T11:02:57.593857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:03:00.165286+08:00","text":"謝謝，有請林倩綺委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}