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我後面再補充就是說我們剛才提到外交的方式其實本席有還建議其實還有一個地方我們可以去參訪就是梵蒂岡所以我們跟梵蒂岡是有正式建交的嘛對不對是 這是我們歐洲唯一的一個邦交國對 而且台灣的天主教徒多耶"},{"start":675.58,"end":693.42,"text":"很多像我們的前行政院長他就是天主教徒那我們如果說會擔心跟中國的關係我們可以透過更彈性的方式比如說宗教的方式或是參訪的方式去建立我想這個都是有正面幫助啦我們台東縣也有很多的天主教徒"},{"start":694.281,"end":720.296,"text":"我想這樣子的方式 透過不同的方式我想外交本來就是不容易推動但是可以更彈性我們都可以不小心在棒球場出現了有沒有可能還有其他方式可以讓更多看到台灣這個是我們可以努力的啦我們當然一定都努力跟各種各樣的方式就是現在台灣的一個處境我不能夠說台灣現在處境非常的困難但的確是有挑戰我們會尋求所有的一個方法來有一些新的一個好的一個發展鞏固我們在國際的一個參與"},{"start":722.797,"end":731.974,"text":"能夠成為一個國際負責任的議員我想這個越來越能夠讓世界看到也謝謝委員的這個指導我們一定會遵辦好 謝謝市長 謝謝 謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:54:53.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:54:53.803000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請經濟部。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T10:54:53.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:54:54.064000+08:00","text":"請經濟部莊主秘。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊主任秘書銘池","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:03.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:03.963000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:04.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:04.864000+08:00","text":"主秘好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:06.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:26.901000+08:00","text":"這場美伊戰爭從228打到現在，本席認為沒有所謂的贏家，戰爭開打後，導致國際能源供應短缺，也連帶整個石化製品的價格高漲，像前陣子臺灣才發生垃圾袋之亂，導致很多商家跟民眾變成受害者。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:28.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:41.266000+08:00","text":"從這次的中東石油危機，我們學到一個教訓，就是能源取得要多元，除了多元以外，風險要分散，這是經濟部自己說的，未來的規劃會持續朝這方向嘛！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:41.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:55:41.926000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:55:41.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:00.675000+08:00","text":"可是我們從經濟部看到的未來規劃是擴大對美國能源採購的占比，未來對美國採購LNG的比例從目前10%左右到2029年要增加到25%，顯然我們能源管道的多元就是增加從美國來的這些比例。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:01.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:26.129000+08:00","text":"從現在的態勢來看，戰爭短時間應該不會結束，如果有極端情況，經濟部說你們會採取3種方式來確保天然氣的供應：第一個就是提前調貨，優先從美國、澳洲這些地方調度天然氣；第二個就是亞洲互援，從日本、韓國這些鄰近的國家，我們互相支援；第三個就是買足現貨來補足，從市場直接採購來補足這個缺口。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:26.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:39.889000+08:00","text":"本席想要請教主秘，這三個措施顯然都是要跟其他國家購買或者是調度，在這個時間點上，本席認為這個價格一定也不便宜，多出來的費用是由誰來承擔？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:39.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:56:41.492000+08:00","text":"會不會轉嫁到民眾身上？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"莊主任秘書銘池","start":"2026-04-15T10:56:43.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:15.919000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，如同委員所理解的，目前如果要替代我們之前本來從中東進來長約的貨，其實就是在現在市場上買現貨跟提前取貨，現在市場上從2月底戰爭以來，整個布蘭特原油已經上漲71%，杜拜原油上漲77%，所以國際現貨價格也都持續在上漲，更不用講還有運費和保險費也都在上漲。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"莊主任秘書銘池","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:15.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:25.846000+08:00","text":"所以目前我們現貨取得的價格一定會比以前長約來得高，勢必在整個國內的售價部分就造成一些壓力。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"莊主任秘書銘池","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:27.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:35.738000+08:00","text":"從2月底到目前，我們國內的油價才漲17%，相較之前的國際能源價格，其實我們抑低整個油價的漲幅非常多。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"莊主任秘書銘池","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:36.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:41.945000+08:00","text":"我們一直對外宣布這些價差完全都是靠中油來吸收，目前中油已經吸收了107億元。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:46.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:49.983000+08:00","text":"所以這些未來會轉嫁到民眾的身上嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊主任秘書銘池","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:49.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:57:54.866000+08:00","text":"我們現在主要是採三個方向，第一個希望政府的預算可以撥補、協助中油。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊主任秘書銘池","start":"2026-04-15T10:57:55.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:13.576000+08:00","text":"另外就是我們會協助中油增資或是融資來減輕它的財政壓力，這樣支持之下，希望能夠再兼顧整個國內物價，因為我們也擔心能源價格勢必對國內物價造成一定的影響，所以我們會考慮這些因素，再來做適當的考量。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:13.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:22.582000+08:00","text":"主秘剛剛有提到撥補中油這一件事情，其實民眾也好奇想要了解，政府會補貼中油，如果像台塑這種民營企業，我們也會補貼嗎？","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"莊主任秘書銘池","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:24.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:45.642000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為目前台塑取得原油價格跟來源部分都受到影響，所以其實它有適度做一些減產，不過因為要穩定國內供應，我們也一直希望台塑以減少外銷跟穩定國內需求為主。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"莊主任秘書銘池","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:46.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:51.845000+08:00","text":"至於針對台塑的部分，在這段時間完之後，我們會再來討論跟台塑之間……","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:54.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:58:56.870000+08:00","text":"所以目前台塑這塊我們是沒有補貼的？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"莊主任秘書銘池","start":"2026-04-15T10:58:57.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:08.707000+08:00","text":"其實目前中油部分也都還沒有補，剛剛講的是我們未來希望能夠執行的方向，也希望立法院能夠支持我們對中油的協助措施。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:09.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:18.843000+08:00","text":"謝謝主秘這樣說明，其實大家都很關心未來物價會不會因為這樣子調上去，而且物價一旦上去之後要回來就不容易了。是。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:19.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:26.485000+08:00","text":"另外，經濟部也提到這週開始就會提供平價垃圾袋，是吧？是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-04-15T10:59:28.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T10:59:40.455000+08:00"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