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這樣的全國公務人員的標準有一致嗎我們的彈劾的標準其實我想這個部分其實全國的公務人員都在看"},{"start":653.922,"end":676.433,"text":"千萬不能就是說監察委員對於全國的公務人員要求的這麼的嚴格然後只要有一點這樣子包括剛剛講的這32塊的電鍋就必須要這個有一些司法的一個追訴也被判刑結果監察委員自己遇到這樣子的事情的時候卻是輕輕放下這個完全不符合大家對於監察院的一個期待"},{"start":676.713,"end":701.607,"text":"您如果說的是那個刑事宿醉的話檢察官的部分我們當然是尊重嘛因為他就是不告發這個實在是讓大家覺得我們的機關就是依照我們過去的處理的相關原則就是進入到公務人員只要是公務車濫用這件事件進入到彈劾的都是有刑事宿醉的問題而且剛剛我想溫小林召委也有提到就是李俊一秘書長"},{"start":703.028,"end":730.426,"text":"這個部分在你們的這個報告裡面完全沒有提到那你們的理由是說因為他已經辭職了因為他已經辭職了他也不是在我們紀律委員會監察不過說真的剛才翁委員已經說他要提出相關的等於是我們會把這個您的相關的建議帶回去我們針對我們社會上的一些重大的案件的話你們其實是會自己自己自己"},{"start":730.906,"end":756.396,"text":"主動的這個分案調查那以這件事情的話難道我們的秘書長當然我想您是絕對不會這樣做啦但是呢前秘書長做這樣的事情之後他只要辭職就沒事的話那以後就是告訴全國的公務人員趕快我們犯了這個這樣子的一個問題之後如果有這樣的司法的上面的問題的時候我就是趕快辭職就沒事啦因為辭職之後就不用調查啦而且還有人檢舉前面秘書長"},{"start":761.445,"end":781.854,"text":"我們尊重委員的調查 那當然這個我們立法委員這邊也有提出建議 我們會把您的建議帶回去對啊 我想 因為其實我想最後啦 最後就是要跟MU長這邊還有監察院的同仁講一下就是因為現在為什麼大家對監察院的這個信任感越來越低就是因為監察院拿不出相稱的作為"},{"start":782.854,"end":803.672,"text":"包括该查不查 该硬不硬 该自律不自律流失的不只是形象而是整个监察制度的社会信任希望秘书长能够把我们今天的委员的一些质询的问题能够带回去好好的来去针对监察院的一个相关的问题大家好好的来去检讨谢谢"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}