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應對那所以因此在現在伊朗的這個軍事跟經濟壓力那赫姆茲海峽對於整個能源是全球都非常的非常的關注尤其台灣我們目前有大概三成左右是從這個方向來的那所以在經濟部的立場"},{"start":207.609,"end":226.297,"text":"除了協調中油之外那更要多元多項的多線的去將我們的能源能夠穩定但是所有的產業民生壓力非常的大因為經濟部告訴我們如果以現在我們在四月份還善可"},{"start":226.897,"end":254.946,"text":"五月份我們必須要啟動特別採購那這個特別採購除了以往我們有這個契約的就照著長約走但是如果增加的部分是必須要以現況的價格那大家聽到這一句話呢就非常的緊張因為它的成本會增加而且它的通膨在整個民生上面會非常的緊張就成如最近"},{"start":255.706,"end":280.932,"text":"我們的索卡諾卡就開始全面PVC等不斷地在上漲一粒有可能三四四四這個價格的波動那在這個整個影響的一個程度上面我們又看到美國官員的說法美軍已經在波斯灣周圍部署15艘的軍艦那換句話說它形成對伊朗港口的一個海上封鎖網"},{"start":282.532,"end":297.897,"text":"它可以登建上去去檢查那在這樣的一個情況之下因為赫姆森海峽對於我們能源的來源也是非常重要的一個管道那全球能源的供應在吃緊的情況之下我相信亞洲是首當其衝"},{"start":301.738,"end":315.463,"text":"所以外交部針對於這樣子的一個大家都認為能源等於是國安事件的一個處理那在這個油氣供應的風險評估你們是否跟能源輸出國"},{"start":317.19,"end":333.909,"text":"有沒有特別的這個緊急應對也就是緊急外交的一個溝通機制請教說明現在就是說其實我們經濟部採購的方向那當然經濟部還是最好來回答就我剛才的了解是說其實包括澳洲、美國"},{"start":335.17,"end":354.711,"text":"加拿大等等這些重要的油氣供應國他們在國際現貨市場上採購當然成本壓力也都非常高外交部的做法是說我們希望在這個上面能夠跟主要的國家尤其是過去的時候我們的能源從西方來"},{"start":356.209,"end":379.471,"text":"那現在因為那個橫浦之海峽發生了這樣一個危機必須要從東邊的來調度所以我們希望外交的這個努力能夠配合這個東西我們跟澳洲其實說實在有一個還不錯的關係跟美國跟加拿大都有很好的關係我們在這個架構上面能夠協助經濟部能夠調度你想到這個重點喔次長經濟部多元面向"},{"start":380.711,"end":382.092,"text":"的線索去努力"},{"start":411.891,"end":439.097,"text":"請說明當然尤其是美國現在是全世界最重要的一個產油國嘛氣也是一樣那麼他們美國過去的時候一向鼓勵我們跟美國來採購那現在美國的整個供應來說的話當然價格都會比較高但是供應來說的話都還可以所以我們在這個事情上面都強化我們跟台美雙方的一個互動就能源韌性的議題上面的一個合作"},{"start":439.717,"end":468.302,"text":"那我們做了各種的這個溝通能夠協助市場行為還是這樣經濟部還是必須要在現貨市場上面調貨所以經濟部告訴我們一句話他說因為我們的人員不錯所以也有國家願意要特別提供給我們那如果照剛剛市長所說的這個方向大家都知道是哪一個國家但是一個重點台美的關係我們一定要把握好"},{"start":468.962,"end":496.787,"text":"因為產業所面臨的是數字問題如果你的成本成為經濟部告訴我們的如果額外採購當然會以現貨的價格更高的價格這是經濟部告訴我們的也是產業所憂心的我希望政府各部門必須要去協助讓我們的產業可以安穩過關這也就是外交部跟經濟部甚至國防會這邊要怎麼樣去合作這是政府的責任"},{"start":498.088,"end":524.768,"text":"接下來我最後請問一個問題總統在22號要訪問斯瓦帝尼斯瓦帝尼這個總統也跟我們很好也是非洲唯一一個我們的邦交國這個國王甚至在總統就職的時候他也帶隊來我們非常的謝謝他也是非洲僅有的邦交國這個國王率團來祝賀所以本席要請教這一次"},{"start":525.709,"end":554.102,"text":"你們似乎是以直飛的方式 是不是那為什麼不會過境呢因為在我們整個過境外交也是一個非常重要的重頭戲請說明 會不會有過境外交我覺得現在的我覺得剛才也有回答另外的委員的一個質詢我們希望任務能夠單純然後也是展現我們的誠意那也能夠以這個便利舒適為最重要的一個考量"},{"start":555.382,"end":569.19,"text":"任務單純 舒適 簡單化但是我們以往也就是國軍外交向來是我們非常重要的重頭戲啊那這一次轉一個彎說是簡單 單純那這個讓國人好像還有很多的問號所以本下要請教是不是有持續跟美方來安排洽談總統訪美或者是國軍美國"},{"start":583.846,"end":609.5,"text":"我們所有的努力溝通都一直持續在進行不然跟委員報告一下因為這個飛往非洲比較少這個途徑美國那麼這過去的這個所謂的過境外交的一個突破主要是在於像美日好像剛才也有提到像在那個蘇院長去日本看球賽這個事情那我們這個部分我們就不多做的這個評論"},{"start":610.06,"end":636.239,"text":"所以你現在說此行 好 我們得到一個結論就是簡單 單純 誠意那所以請教 在今年會不會安排總統過境美國或者是訪美 請教我們所有的這個規劃都持續在進行那但是實際的是說最後的一個拍板決定以及對外宣布都是由總統府來做所以這也是一個選項是 所有的東西我們都持續在規劃之中好"},{"start":640.162,"end":640.222,"text":"謝謝好謝謝楊瓊瑩委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:43:02.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:43:02.541000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:43:03.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:43:05.027000+08:00","text":"本席首先邀請外交部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:43:06.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:43:06.090000+08:00","text":"請陳次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T11:43:13.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:43:14.054000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:43:14.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:43:14.054000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:43:15.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:43:29.265000+08:00","text":"美伊衝突發生在中東，我相信影響不是只有中東，這個戰爭引發了三件事情，美國戰略的支援是否會從印太來轉移？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:43:30.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:43:38.909000+08:00","text":"尤其是第二項全球能源的問題，以及航運成本是不是會外溢到臺灣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:43:39.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:43:42.889000+08:00","text":"中國大陸是不是會藉此機會在亞太擴張？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:43:43.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:43:51.191000+08:00","text":"本席認為政府必須將這場戰爭當成我國面臨的風險來處理。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:43:52.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:44:17.438000+08:00","text":"外交部在美國長期強調印太優先，但是他現在大量的軍力、飛彈庫存以及航母戰力被拉到中東，所以外媒指出美軍部分的長程飛彈跟防空攔截系統庫存都已受到壓力，甚至延後對盟邦交付。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:44:18.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:44:30.023000+08:00","text":"所以要請教，在美國有兩線的壓力的時候，也就是中東跟印太，對於我們臺灣的影響到底是如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:44:30.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:44:30.803000+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T11:44:31.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:45:10.493000+08:00","text":"我想現在這個情勢當然是非常的大，剛才委員也正確的提到有關於整個亞太、印太的情勢，包括相關軍事支援的調動，的確是我們非常關心的狀況，我們現在也跟印太地區的國家共同跟美國表示相關的關切，對於如何能夠確保在整個中東情勢，因為中東這個狀況來講，其實荷姆茲海峽的情勢影響到全球的經濟，剛才好幾位委員的質詢還有經濟部的回答，我們也很清楚這個衝擊。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:45:10.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:45:17.998000+08:00","text":"因為大家看到這個必須要以風險來處理，請教外交部，你的動作、你的方向是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T11:45:18.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:45:32.687000+08:00","text":"第一，現在當然我們所有的外館透過各種資源、各種管道能夠蒐集相關的情資，做相關的研判，包括經濟部、包括行政院的研判基準。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T11:45:33.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:45:45.195000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們透過外交的作為，也跟鄰近的國家共同表示我們在這個情況之下，也請注意到印太安全跟印太的整個軍事局勢。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:45:45.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:45:49.256000+08:00","text":"有沒有跟日本協調區域穩定的立場？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T11:45:49.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:46:04.061000+08:00","text":"當然跟日本的對話、溝通的管道都隨時暢通，在事情上面我們也了解這個情勢，我想現在情勢發展對大家來說都是比較需要高度關注的狀況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:46:04.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:46:06.642000+08:00","text":"必須密切去了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T11:46:06.642000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:46:09.703000+08:00","text":"是，一定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:46:09.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:46:37.293000+08:00","text":"現在伊朗的軍事跟經濟壓力，荷姆茲海峽對於整個能源，全球都非常非常的關注，尤其我們臺灣目前有大概三成左右是從這個方向來的，所以在經濟部的立場，除了協調中油之外，更要多元、多項、多線去將我們的能源穩定。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:46:38.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:47:15.186000+08:00","text":"所有的產業、民生壓力非常的大，因為經濟部告訴我們，現在4月份還尚可，5月份我們必須要啟動特別採購，這個特別採購除了以往我們有契約的，就照著長約走，但是如果增加的部分必須要以現況的價格，大家聽到這一句話就非常的緊張，因為它的成本會增加，而且它的通膨在整個民生上面會非常的緊張。","quality":0.992},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:47:15.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:47:26.928000+08:00","text":"誠如最近我們的塑膠袋、PVC等就開始全面不斷地在上漲，一天有可能3次、4次的價格波動。","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:47:27.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:47:45.653000+08:00","text":"在整個影響的程度上面，我們又看到美國官員的說法，美軍已經在波斯灣周圍部署15艘的軍艦，換句話說，它形成對伊朗港口的海上封鎖網，它可以登艦上去檢查。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:47:46.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:48:24.697000+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況之下，因為荷姆茲海峽對於我們能源的來源也是非常重要的一個管道，全球能源的供應在吃緊的情況之下，我相信亞洲是首當其衝，所以外交部對於……大家都認為能源等於是國安事件的處理，在油氣供應的風險評估，你們跟能源輸出國有沒有特別緊急應對，也就是緊急外交的溝通機制？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:48:25.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:48:25.899000+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":1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是由總統府來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:53:33.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:53:34.036000+08:00","text":"所以這也是一個選項？","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T11:53:34.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:53:34.557000+08:00","text":"在年底以前還是一個選項？","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"陳次長明祺","start":"2026-04-15T11:53:34.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:53:41.162000+08:00","text":"是，所有的東西我們都持續在規劃之中。好。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:53:41.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:53:41.222000+08:00","text":"謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:53:41.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:53:46.579143+08:00","text":"接下來請洪毓祥、洪毓祥、洪毓祥委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:53:46.879143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:53:50.879143+08:00","text":"請洪孟楷、洪孟楷、洪孟楷委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:53:51.179143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:53:55.179143+08:00","text":"請林倩綺、林倩綺、林倩綺委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:53:55.479143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:53:59.479143+08:00","text":"請鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:53:59.779143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:54:03.779143+08:00","text":"請蔡易餘、蔡易餘、蔡易餘委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:54:04.079143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:54:08.079143+08:00","text":"請鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:54:08.379143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:54:12.379143+08:00","text":"請蘇清泉、蘇清泉、蘇清泉委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:54:12.679143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:54:20.679143+08:00","text":"今天已登記質詢的委員除不在場外，均已發言完畢，報告及詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:54:20.979143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:54:29.836286+08:00","text":"本日會議有陳永康委員、洪毓祥委員提出書面質詢，請列入紀錄，並刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:54:30.136286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:54:44.136286+08:00","text":"委員書面及口頭質詢未及答復的部分或要求補充資料者，請相關機關兩週內以書面答復，委員有約定期限者從其所定。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}