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再三下時間很不幸那如果我們要動作快一點的話那當然我就很擔心對 沒有錯 江部也很快就回應了就是要能夠70歲以下可是我一直認為他不是年齡有沒有基於科學基礎的一個專業判斷一定要來讓他"},{"start":434.201,"end":457.09,"text":"能夠去做一些認知的測驗而不是說我定一個70歲然後只要體檢跟安全教育今天年齡真的不是一個問題最大的事實上是身體的能力到底如何而且我也希望能夠便民所以我不知道是不是可否這個部分我們有跟醫學會來做很專業的訪問這個不是完全沒有依據這是絕對有依據的所以在日本也是70歲的患兆他們並沒有做認知測驗"},{"start":459.656,"end":474.22,"text":"我認為今天台灣事實上甚至失智都有往下的那個趨勢的時候我建議是不是可以找臨床心理師跟職能治療師來一起協助做認知判斷認知功能判斷醫學專家的認知功能的判斷的專家我們都有討論過所以他們討論完的結論是希望界限是放在75歲那是風險比較高但70到75中間這一段目前看起來風險沒有這麼高"},{"start":486.304,"end":500.022,"text":"不過我覺得地方政府有的已經開始做表示這事實上是有需要的我們不能再等下一件事發生的時候他們如果地方政府願意做我們相當歡迎對 那我覺得應該你這邊是不是應該也要想看配套因為您剛剛在說的是要依據專業我們有專業的判斷跟討論好 以上謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:15:48.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:15:49.432000+08:00","text":"主席，麻煩請部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T12:15:49.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:15:49.492000+08:00","text":"請陳部長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:15:49.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:15:49.512000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:15:49.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:15:49.692000+08:00","text":"部長午安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:15:49.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:16:28.675000+08:00","text":"今天雖然是講中東，可是我比較關切的是我過去曾經質詢的一些課題，今天要跟你講一下，這一陣子我們大家都看到交通部道安司公布的數據，大家可以發現微型電動二輪車的數量在10年內成長了5倍。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:16:29.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:16:44.653000+08:00","text":"其中，我更關心兒少傷亡情形，17歲以下者在111年占整體的22%，到114年已經占整體的36%了，事實上是一直在成長的。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:16:45.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:16:52.336000+08:00","text":"所以我要問部長的是，針對微型電動二輪車的事故防制，交通部到底有沒有掌握啊？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:16:53.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:17:02.139000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，從數據上看起來，確實大家使用愈來愈多這樣的車輛。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:17:03.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:17:09.902000+08:00","text":"第二，在事故率上，確實也因為使用的人多，事故率必然也會增加，這部分其實交通部也有注意到，所以在整個……","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:17:10.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:17:10.963000+08:00","text":"有沒有相關對策？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:17:13.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:17:21.421000+08:00","text":"委員關心的應該是未來是不是要針對這方面加強管理或加強宣導。是。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:17:22.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:17:31.729000+08:00","text":"關於這部分，其實我們跟勞動部也好、教育部也好，都有在討論未來在這方面要怎麼做教育上的宣導。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:17:31.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:17:36.553000+08:00","text":"管制部分，這幾年我們也有一定作為，是不是容我請司長回答？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:17:36.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:17:37.214000+08:00","text":"因為時間關係，我就不請司長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:17:41.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:17:46.823000+08:00","text":"當然我相信你們會做教育宣導，可是到底力道多強？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:17:47.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:17:55.813000+08:00","text":"隨著事故率上升……當然你剛剛講了，因為使用的人更多，可是我也要問改裝檢驗規範。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:17:55.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:18:05.712000+08:00","text":"投影片左邊顯示的是我打了關鍵字以後，就可以看到一大堆影片，隨便點選都是教你如何改裝、把速度調掉。","quality":0.705},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:18:06.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:18:14.155000+08:00","text":"右邊是記者問公路局同仁，他也說目前缺乏的確實就是召回臨檢的規範。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:18:14.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:18:32.762000+08:00","text":"我查了道安規則，過去領牌的輕型機車就是50cc，而我們過去期待以微型電動二輪車取代50cc機車，對於這種有類似定位的微電車卻沒有任何機制。","quality":0.721},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:18:34.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:18:36.604000+08:00","text":"到底為什麼獨漏這個部分？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:18:37.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:18:38.745000+08:00","text":"有什麼考量嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:18:38.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:18:47.889000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，微型電動二輪車的檢驗基準已經有防擅改速限的要求，也就是有不能改速限裝置這個要求，未來我們就跟警方……","quality":0.569},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:18:48.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:18:51.230000+08:00","text":"既然不能改，為什麼一堆影片都在教你怎麼改？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:18:52.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:18:55.612000+08:00","text":"我覺得在路面上跑的應該也滿多都是改裝的。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:18:57.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:19:02.624000+08:00","text":"我們會跟警方聯合稽查，這部分我們會加強稽查與查核。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:19:05.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:19:16.733000+08:00","text":"部長，事實上國外就有一些經驗可以參考，ETSC的建議就是機動車輛最低騎乘年齡最好是到16歲，過去我自己在民間也這樣倡議。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:19:16.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:19:16.973000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:19:16.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:19:24.596000+08:00","text":"因為我們看到15歲到17歲是傷亡最高的時間點，而事實上我國現在是定為14歲，那勢必就同意他們騎乘。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:19:26.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:19:39.904000+08:00","text":"如果修改到16歲、比照國外，才不會坐任傷亡一直這麼高，尤其對青少年的殺傷力特別高，甚至應該建立考訓跟檢驗機制。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:19:40.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:19:52.752000+08:00","text":"交通部是不是應該更積極地研議、重新檢視管理政策是什麼，而不是等到問題發生才亡羊補牢，事實上是來不及的？","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:19:54.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:02.462000+08:00","text":"不知道交通部是不是可以給個時間點，什麼時候可以研議配套措施？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:05.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:11.850000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，目前微型電動二輪車的限制是在14歲……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:11.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:15.552000+08:00","text":"可是如我所講，15歲到17歲是傷亡最高的喔！","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:15.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:17.913000+08:00","text":"所以委員的建議是15到17歲？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:18.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:24.597000+08:00","text":"第一當然是可以提高，另外一點是我剛剛講的配套措施一定要做，畢竟在15到17歲中，17歲最高，如果設限在16歲，還有17歲。","quality":0.622},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:29.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:36.864000+08:00","text":"青少年實在禁不起這樣的折損， 我們面臨少子化，去年生十萬九，在每個孩子都不能少的狀態下，應該有更好的措施。","quality":0.723},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:37.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:40.746000+08:00","text":"委員的建議我們會納入討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:40.746000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:41.746000+08:00","text":"好，再麻煩你。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:40.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:44.169000+08:00","text":"您的建議是界線在16歲還是17歲？","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:44.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:46.810000+08:00","text":"還有我剛剛講的配套，是不是可以考慮？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:47.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:49.432000+08:00","text":"1個月內可不可以給我相關報告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:50.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:20:56.216000+08:00","text":"再來就是個人行動器具，這也是我過去質詢過的，同樣有這樣的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:20:56.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:03.601000+08:00","text":"我知道現在交通部很謹慎，也希望可以盡善盡美，請了運研所研究，並且找地方跟廠商來開會。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:21:03.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:11.526000+08:00","text":"可是去年7月31日開會結束之後，很多廠商都來問我到底有沒有後續。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:21:11.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:19.672000+08:00","text":"部長，難道要任由地方繼續不訂定規範，讓這些行動器具的使用者每天都面臨因為違法被裁罰的風險嗎？","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:21:20.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:23.234000+08:00","text":"部長，目前交通部整個規劃是什麼？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:21:23.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:24.095000+08:00","text":"在去年7月31日開完會之後就沒有下文了欸！","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:21:28.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:35.039000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們在今年3月13日已經提供一項指引給各地方政府了，在今年3月13日……","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:21:35.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:36.939000+08:00","text":"那你對地方的強制是什麼？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:21:37.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:38.600000+08:00","text":"如果地方對於指引不照做呢？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:21:39.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:43.901000+08:00","text":"本來就是要由各地方訂規格，那麼什麼叫個人行動器具？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:21:45.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:46.142000+08:00","text":"這是地方權責。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:21:48.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:21:59.791000+08:00","text":"至於中央對於地方權責到底有多少強制性，我們已經出了指引，也希望他們趕快做，但我們能不能強制他們怎麼做，要看各地方自己的判斷。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:22:00.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:22:06.677000+08:00","text":"那道安考核是不是可以列入考量的一個點？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:22:06.677000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T12:22:07.677000+08:00","text":"這個可以列入，沒有問題。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:22:07.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:22:14.900000+08:00","text":"關於新興電動運具，我希望你們能夠針對微型電動二輪車在1個月內給我研議報告。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:22:15.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:22:19.962000+08:00","text":"然後，個人行動器具相關會議紀錄是不是也可以提供給我？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:22:20.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:22:20.462000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:22:21.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:22:30.889000+08:00","text":"最後我想問，今天報紙上一大版都登了，也是我從一進來就質詢、到今天也還在關心的，就是高齡駕駛這一塊。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:22:30.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:22:38.514000+08:00","text":"我們記者會開了，但是去年也發生事情了，很不幸在我開完記者會隔一周就發生三峽事件。","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:22:40.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:22:43.536000+08:00","text":"如果動作沒有快一點的話，當然我就很擔心。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:22:44.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:23:05.004000+08:00","text":"沒有錯，交通部很快就回應了，就是限制70歲以下，可是我一直認為不是看年齡，有沒有基於科學基礎的專業判斷，能夠讓他一定要做認知測驗，而不是只訂下70歲標準，而且只要接受體檢跟安全教育？","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:23:05.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:23:09.626000+08:00","text":"其實年齡真的不是問題，最大的問題事實上是身體的能力到底如何。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:23:10.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:23:13.427000+08:00","text":"而且我也希望能夠便民，所以不知道交通部可否……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:23:13.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:23:21.090000+08:00","text":"關於這部分，我們有跟醫學會做很專業的考量，不是完全沒有依據，而是絕對有依據的，日本也是規定70歲換照，且沒有做認知測驗。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:23:23.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:23:33.459000+08:00","text":"是，可是我認為在今日臺灣甚至連失智年齡都有往下趨勢的時候，建議找臨床心理師跟職能治療師一起協助做認知功能判斷。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:23:33.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:23:38.200000+08:00","text":"其實我們跟臺灣所有認知、功能判斷這方面的醫學專家都討論過，而他們討論完的結論是希望將界線放在75歲，因為風險比較高，如果是70到75歲中間這一段，目前看起來風險沒有那麼高。","quality":0.689},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:23:50.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:23:55.191000+08:00","text":"不過，我覺得既然有些地方政府已經開始做，表示事實上是有需要的，不能等下一件事情發生再做。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:23:55.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:23:57.994000+08:00","text":"地方政府如果願意做，我們相當歡迎。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:23:59.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:24:01.959000+08:00","text":"但你這邊是不是也應該想想配套？謝謝……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:24:02.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:24:03.882000+08:00","text":"委員，您剛剛說的是依據專業，而我們有經過專業判斷跟討論。好。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-04-15T12:24:03.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:24:04.022000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T12:24:04.522000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T12:24:05.664857+08:00","text":"非常感謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T12:24:05.964857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T12:24:08.822000+08:00","text":"接下來邀請楊瓊瓔委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}