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謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:24:22.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:24:24.479000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請交通部部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T12:24:25.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:24:32.555000+08:00","text":"請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:24:32.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:24:32.735000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:24:32.735000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T12:24:36.952000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:24:36.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:25:04.769000+08:00","text":"面對戰爭議題、能源樣態，大家會緊張成本的上升，對於民生議題方面，大家也非常關心怎麼協助民眾在這段時間安穩地度過，尤其是通膨問題，政府需要密切、好好地應對，我們同時也關心整個進程。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:25:07.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:25:20.479000+08:00","text":"本席今天要跟你討論的就是票價問題，很多同仁也關心，不管陸、海、空，大家都希望能夠平穩價格，我就特別針對高鐵。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:25:24.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:25:59.071000+08:00","text":"交通部每年依據合約及最新物價檢討高鐵的基本費率，我們看到今年已經達到調漲門檻，費率可由現在的每人每公里4.551元調升到4.728元，換句話說，從臺北到左營的上限可以調到1,780元，目前則是1,490元，增加將近兩成、290元。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:26:00.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:26:17.799000+08:00","text":"我們看到交通部表示目前沒有調漲的時程，但是在制度方面，你們的合約裡已經有調漲的條件，所以民眾還是會緊張。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:26:20.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:26:24.684000+08:00","text":"高鐵現在的通勤月票是以30日計算。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:26:25.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:26:42.114000+08:00","text":"早期月票以一個月20天計算，但因為有人表示周六、日或許也有人上班，所以才從20天調整成現在的制度，也就是以30天計價。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:26:42.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:26:52.299000+08:00","text":"但是沒有涉及分區實際使用頻率，對於一般平日通勤為主的旅客來說，或許會產生負擔跟使用不對稱的樣態，因為每一個人有每一個人的使用面向。","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:26:52.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:27:08.707000+08:00","text":"在這個情況之下，未來如果……當然目前不漲，但是你的基本條件是足夠的，我們也不知道戰爭的樣態怎麼樣，民眾已經看到這個問題。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:27:08.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:27:23.396000+08:00","text":"所以我們要討論，在未來票價方面，對於通勤族的負擔，要怎麼協助他們？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:27:23.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:27:36.624000+08:00","text":"使用者付費這一點是很公道的，所以有人提出以新增分級回數票的方式因應，比如以10趟、20趟、40趟為基準。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:27:36.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:27:51.409000+08:00","text":"因為現在10趟是以八二折計價，20趟七四折，如果增加40趟這樣的取向，是不是能以六五折作為平均值？","quality":0.641},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:27:52.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:28:04.896000+08:00","text":"融合20日與30日，換句話說就是取10趟跟20趟的中和點，這樣是不是可以達到均衡點？","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:28:04.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:28:10.579000+08:00","text":"如果以40趟六五折的樣態計算是1萬7,550元。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:28:12.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:28:29.092000+08:00","text":"這樣的樣態有人提出，而交通部是直屬主管機關單位，合約是你們簽的，這樣的做法是不是可以作為討論的方向，讓使用者付費達到更有效能的公平性？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:28:29.092000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T12:28:31.233000+08:00","text":"請作說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:28:31.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:28:34.114000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，感謝您關心通勤族的需求。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:28:37.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:28:42.477000+08:00","text":"確實有很多旅客提出建議跟想法，而且剛剛委員也講得很清楚，這些我們都會納入討論。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:28:42.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:28:50.080000+08:00","text":"不過也跟委員報告，目前在我們的機制上，其實已經有好多種組合，例如有22天六七折。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:28:51.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:28:54.461000+08:00","text":"沒有剛剛您提的20天，但我們提的是22天六七折。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:28:54.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:29:00.470000+08:00","text":"然後，有30天四九折的定期票，這是一種。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:29:00.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:29:06.758000+08:00","text":"回數票部分是60天8次九二折，以及30天10次八二折。","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-15T12:29:07.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:29:09.642000+08:00","text":"所以，其實我們的彈性相當大。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:29:09.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T12:29:13.507000+08:00","text":"這就是本席剛才所說，現在執行的30日回數票10趟是八二折。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-15T12:29:14.90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