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抱歉就是關於女性這個研究裡面其實也有了解說在女性在青少年的時候她們遇到什麼樣子的問題那她們基本上就是有講到一些成就感很低但是為什麼成就感很低挫折很高這個我看不到質化的研究我看不到任何的質化研究我不曉得說運動部這邊有沒有做相關的質化去了解女性不管是學生也好或是運動員也好她們遇到的困境到底是什麼有沒有掌握"},{"start":233.999,"end":254.711,"text":"目前這方面的研究議題我個人是沒有掌握啦不過從我過去長時間在這個領域的觀察因為我們過去的發展是以技能學習運動技能學習為主要的內涵那對於一些平常沒有那麼在從事身體活動的特別是女生的學生他們會覺得沒有成就感"},{"start":255.131,"end":276.574,"text":"所以我們希望未來在這方面的發展是朝著從基本的能力而不是競技能力簡單來說好不好就是次長可不可以答應我一件事情就是我們去了解做質問的了解徹底的了解為什麼女性的女生學生也好還有運動員選手他們不願意持續的做這樣子的運動為什麼他們對於運動的參與度這麼低我們是不是可以來做這部分的了解"},{"start":277.134,"end":303.491,"text":"來瞭解他的障礙在哪裡第二個部分還有就是企業我剛剛也聽到企業有投資很多的運動賽事然後這個金額也是增加的但是我想知道到底有沒有投資在基層的訓練上面呢目前的數量以我們目前看到的其實還沒有很高這也是為什麼抱歉委員這也是為什麼我們在未來在計算假設他的贊助的金額跟那個捐贈的金額是往基層走他的計算的方式是百分之一百五十"},{"start":305.349,"end":332.25,"text":"但是我覺得有個實務面上的問題就是說這也是基層的軍運部告訴我的就是以FIFA來說他們的足球是要發展俱樂部的系統但日本也在2022年宣示了會從學校走向俱樂部可是他們要做俱樂部如果要去有這個主課場的時候他們要成豬場地的時候遇到一個租約的一些相關的規範變成是說他們沒有辦法做長期的租但沒有辦法長期的租他就不可能去做更多的投資"},{"start":333.191,"end":352.451,"text":"對不對所以這個部分是不是可以來協調呢那另外一個還有就是廢校的一些場地是不是也可以跟教育部來協調如何讓企業可以進場因為企業是想要進場的這部分因為今天時間有限那我們是不是約時間來繼續來討論有關於如何讓企業來投資基層運動的這件事情可以嗎是的我們一起來討論好謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員來市長先回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:20:08.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:20:16.682000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，接下來邀請運動部次長跟教育部戴副署長。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-15T11:20:16.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:20:17.783000+08:00","text":"請運動部黃次長和教育部戴副署長。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:20:17.783000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:20:29.095000+08:00","text":"委員，你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:20:29.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:20:34.300000+08:00","text":"其實我看了很多今天的報告，強調有很多投資在賽事上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:20:36.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:20:39.305000+08:00","text":"我想要有賽事，那選手到底在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:20:40.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:20:45.052000+08:00","text":"不然你投資了很多的賽事，我們根本就沒有選手，要怎麼辦賽事呢？","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:20:45.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:20:47.774000+08:00","text":"所以我想討論的是關於基層的訓練。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:20:50.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:21:13.072000+08:00","text":"教育部體育署之前每一年都會陸陸續續做很多的研究，用量化的方式來研究，我們就發現在國中跟高中這一端，其實只有三成的學生認為自己運動時間充足，相比日本、德國或是美國，我們的運動時間在課堂上的安排也是相對少的，這是第一個問題。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:21:13.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:21:20.136000+08:00","text":"第二個問題，根據你們的調查，他們覺得現在的運動時間跟空間完全不夠。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:21:20.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:21:26.780000+08:00","text":"所以我想問，運動部要如何跟教育部一起努力，讓我們有更多的運動時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:21:26.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:21:29.541000+08:00","text":"這是第一個；空間的部分要如何努力呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:21:29.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:21:32.403000+08:00","text":"是不是可以請次長先簡單的回答？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:21:32.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:21:34.324000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員的關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:21:34.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:21:40.245000+08:00","text":"的確在學齡階段體育課這部分的業務，目前的分工是在教育部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:21:40.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:21:48.448000+08:00","text":"我們也知道學生體育課因為上面有課綱的限制，必須根據課綱來排課。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:21:48.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:21:54.910000+08:00","text":"至於場地的部分，屬於專項運動，特別是競技運動類的設施，運動部責無旁貸。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-04-15T11:21:54.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:21:59.872000+08:00","text":"但是一般教育類的、體育課類的設施，目前的分工是由教育部來主掌。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:21:59.872000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:22:00.872000+08:00","text":"好，請問戴副，我們該如何解決這個問題呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:22:00.872000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-15T11:22:01.872000+08:00","text":"因為這不是一年、兩年，你可以看到那張表，已經是好幾年，包含國際審查都是10年以上的問題，這要如何解決？","quality":0},{"speaker":"戴副署長淑芬","start":"2026-04-15T11:22:00.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:22:24.017000+08:00","text":"我想原來在課綱裡就有體育的課程，教育部會陸續督導各校能夠落實體育教學，教學正常化，避免體育課被挪移。","quality":0.717},{"speaker":"戴副署長淑芬","start":"2026-04-15T11:22:24.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:22:31.946000+08:00","text":"另外，學校其實還是有很多社團活動是體育社團，我們也會鼓勵……","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-15T11:22:32.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:22:38.973000+08:00","text":"只有國小端，國中以後就沒有了，國中還是很少，而且只有一堂社團課，這是你們的調查報告寫的。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"戴副署長淑芬","start":"2026-04-15T11:22:40.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-15T11:22:4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