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我們的人力不足我們到底要怎麼辦"},{"start":370.854,"end":389.95,"text":"跟委員報告現在就是因為少子化的關係所以台電在自己的人力的部分我們增加了施工班的人力就是新招考的人力所以台電自有人力也增加現場的施作人力這是第一點第二個承攬商的部分也是面臨少子化的問題"},{"start":391.573,"end":409.145,"text":"國內招工也不容易所以我們鼓勵承攬商在移工的部分也增加禁用人力所以在整個契約的規定方面放寬讓他們有辦法根據政府的規定多引進移工那這部分的成效目前看起來都不錯"},{"start":410.265,"end":435.922,"text":"已經大概增加一千名左右的這個外籍移工所以我們現在人力的部分有慢慢在補足是是這很重要你工程那麼多人力不足還是一樣沒用啊所以這個拜託我們台電一定要注意第三個部分就是說在我們南科園區還有沙崙這個是牽扯到南科一二三再加上南科四好我們的電網韌性呢"},{"start":438.56,"end":467.235,"text":"這個部分確實正在規劃一部分的工程在進行然後呢也有一部分已經正在進行中包括從興達我們會拉新的四條線路到南科這邊來就是強化這邊的就是電網直供讓這邊的電可以更充足所以在整體的電源的供應部分是沒有問題的那沙倫呢沙倫我們現在所有重鎮都在這裡包括AI包括機器人"},{"start":468.683,"end":491.046,"text":"我們院長跟總統剛去接過派好這個部分我們也南科市未來要在沙崙這個電力也就是電網的韌性跟他的一個強度我們已經有做規劃了嗎是就是從清達拉到沙崙再拉到南科所以等於是沙崙會增加一個超高壓變電所我們再拜託把這樣的一個計畫"},{"start":492.874,"end":505.517,"text":"讓我們辦公室知道齁然後再來就是說另外這個很重要的就是說各工業區現在都要求要去做太陽能光墊可是虧線不足怎麼辦你叫他做你沒有虧線電引不出去啊那怎麼辦"},{"start":513.449,"end":533.92,"text":"這個部分我們有積極在處理就是說如果有等待病亡的這種案件多的地方我們就會增加一些匱限來吸納這些太陽光電就以新籍工業區為例我們新增加了兩條匱限那今年年底會把那55件的這個工程太陽光電病亡的工程給消化下去"},{"start":534.46,"end":545.857,"text":"拜託 因為你叫人家裝設 結果你沒有虧線 那是白搭的根本就不用講啊你沒有虧線 那些都沒有辦法做所以這個要加速好 拜託 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","start":"2026-04-16T09:19:29.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:19:32.362000+08:00","text":"所以臺南還是會被擺為重點？是。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:19:32.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:19:37.865000+08:00","text":"因為丹娜絲讓我們受害太嚴重了，我們還會擺為重點嗎？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:19:37.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:19:39.705000+08:00","text":"我只問這一句話。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-16T09:19:39.705000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-16T09:19:40.705000+08:00","text":"會是重點地區。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:19:39.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:19:57.471000+08:00","text":"未來可能不是我在這裡監督這個預算，是回到地方政府當中，我們期待，因為位階、角度不一樣，我在這裡可以用立委的身分跟你請教未來的預算。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:19:58.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:20:14.654000+08:00","text":"可是回到地方政府，我們只是期待台電、經濟部可以把眼光多關注我們一點，因為我們等於跟各縣市在分這些預算，那是不一樣的。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:20:15.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:20:28.563000+08:00","text":"我在這裡要特別拜託，在117年後、沒有特別預算之後，不要忘了臺南，我們受害非常嚴重，因丹娜絲受害極為嚴重！","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-16T09:20:31.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:20:54.359000+08:00","text":"因為我們已經認知到氣候變遷之後，現在新型態颱風有很高的機率都會從南部直接通過臺灣海峽上來，所以在臺南、高雄以及嘉義等沿海地區的電網強韌會是未來這幾年台電重點中的重點。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:20:55.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:20:57.681000+08:00","text":"這句話很重要，拜託！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:20:57.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:21:01.865000+08:00","text":"因為每個人都在分、每個人都在搶，我們很擔心到時候又被忘了。不會。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:21:02.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:21:03.406000+08:00","text":"我再問一下，現在因為工程很多，人力不足問題到底要怎麼辦？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-16T09:21:18.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:21:32.688000+08:00","text":"現在因為少子化的關係，台電自己增加了施工班的人力，就是新招考的人力，所以台電現場施作的自有人力也增加，這是第一點。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-16T09:21:32.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:21:39.134000+08:00","text":"第二點、承攬商的部分也面臨少子化問題，國內招工不容易。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-16T09:21:39.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:21:52.903000+08:00","text":"所以我們鼓勵承攬商增加進用移工人力，在整個契約的規定方面放寬，讓他們有辦法根據政府的規定多引進移工。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-16T09:21:53.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:21:59.027000+08:00","text":"這部分的成效目前看起來都不錯，已經大概增加一千名左右的外籍移工。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:21:59.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:22:02.930000+08:00","text":"所以現在人力有慢慢在補足？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:22:03.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:22:07.333000+08:00","text":"這很重要，工程那麼多，人力不足還是一樣沒用！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:22:08.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:22:10.415000+08:00","text":"拜託台電一定要注意。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:22:11.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:22:21.902000+08:00","text":"第三點、在南科園區還有沙崙，這個是牽扯到南科一、二、三，再加上南科四，我們的電網韌性呢？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-16T09:22:24.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:22:46.691000+08:00","text":"這個部分確實正在規劃一部分的工程進行，也有一部分已經正在進行中，包括我們會從興達拉新的四條線路到南科強化電網直供，讓這邊的電可以更充足，所以整體電源供應是沒有問題的。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:22:47.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:22:47.812000+08:00","text":"沙崙呢？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:22:48.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:22:56.845000+08:00","text":"現在所有的重鎮都在沙崙，包括AI、機器人，院長跟總統剛去揭過牌。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:22:58.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:23:07.896000+08:00","text":"南科四未來也要在沙崙，有關電力的電網韌性跟強度，你們已經有規劃了嗎？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-16T09:23:07.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:23:14.643000+08:00","text":"是，就是從興達拉到沙崙，再拉到南科，等於是沙崙會增加一個超高壓變電所來因應。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:23:15.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:23:21.535000+08:00","text":"我再拜託把這樣的計畫讓我辦公室知道。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:23:22.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:23:29.777000+08:00","text":"另外，很重要的是，各工業區現在都要求要做太陽能光電，可是饋線不足，怎麼辦？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-16T09:23:29.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:23:31.517000+08:00","text":"你叫他做，但沒有饋線，電引不出去，怎麼辦？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2026-04-16T09:23:39.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-16T09:23:50.395000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們有積極在處理，如果是等待併網這種案件多的地方，我們就會增加一些饋線來吸納這些太陽光電。","quality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