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請主席邀請林主委我們請林主委主委早安 本席首先來關心就是在今年3月9號在南投山陵溪發生的一起這個油原車翻覆的這個意外"},{"start":25.492,"end":42.577,"text":"那當天就是這個園區內的電動接駁車載著八名的遊客那在行駛途中就是撞擊山壁然後造成了翻覆結果導致了就是這個乘客一人死亡七人受傷這樣子的一個意外的悲劇"},{"start":44.168,"end":63.843,"text":"那這樣這一件案子我們目前運安會已經正式立案調查了嘛對不對是那我們知道就是說從這個事故啊這個事件我們也發現到就是說這個遊園車長期就是存在著在制度上就管理制度上的一些漏洞那因為我們知道這些私人的園區內載客的遊園車監理的強度就是比不上"},{"start":68.646,"end":97.111,"text":"這個公路的這個客運因為公路局管不到嘛因為這是在私人的遊園這個園區內那遊園車也不需要申請牌照那這個觀光業務的主管機關觀光署他也缺乏了這個車輛安檢的一個專業所以目前這遊園車基本上就是要由業者的這個自主管理然後再由地方或者中央單位的一個督導"},{"start":97.911,"end":119.322,"text":"所以整個經理的這個強度非常的薄弱所以請教主委您認為在遊園車就您的看法是不是就是確實存在著很大的漏洞跟管理上的瑕疵公委報告這個山林溪的這個事件交通部觀光署他是這個園區的主管機關"},{"start":121.604,"end":132.953,"text":"那他並沒有對園區或者是園區的道路訂定相關的管理規則那園區的業者就是山林溪的這個遊樂事業管理有限公司他是向"},{"start":134.724,"end":154.741,"text":"農業部林保護署租這個土地他負責維護跟園區道路的管理那現在這個園區他有他有他跟同學有六輛有六輛車子他並沒有領有公路局所有核發的這個牌照所以現在觀光署啊交通部觀光署已經指示園區"},{"start":155.962,"end":175.769,"text":"的業者停止所有的這個園區的運作那這個案子的調查重點有涉及到駕駛員的操作車輛的監理還有園區道路的設計當然又有成員的一些生還的因素還有遊聯車的管理知識等等"},{"start":177.597,"end":189.971,"text":"所以我們這一個意外事故目前就是主管機關已經有做出就是一個處置了那我們這個調查報告預計還要多久可以出來"},{"start":191.764,"end":211.712,"text":"調查報告會在明年的9月會最終會出來那今年的9月會發佈事實資料報告 今年9月會事實資料報告出來那就是說照主委的回覆就是說這個有關遊園車的一個管理目前三菱溪市主管機關觀光署要求他停止這個遊園車的"},{"start":213.152,"end":241.274,"text":"一個行駛嘛是那如果說其他的園區呢怎麼處理就是相關的其他的就是遊樂區或者森林遊樂區同樣有這樣子的遊園車的地方我們要怎樣去處理其他園區目前我們還沒有一些資料是我知道那因為這是一樣的一個管理的一個問題嘛當然3011是因為有目前就是有這樣子一個事故發生所以主管機關"},{"start":242.23,"end":254.988,"text":"要求他停止那其他的遊園區目前當然狀況就是可能應該也是照常營運可是在管理的制度上我們應該也是一致的所以這部分我們會怎麼去建議"},{"start":256.078,"end":283.98,"text":"如果這個307事件這個案子出來之後的改善建議我們會系統性的跟交通部公安署說所有允許你管轄我們一併請他去檢討請他去改善這樣是好因為這個遊人車的行駛也是關係到遊客的一個安全那尤其現在就是假日啊這個民眾出遊的這個"},{"start":284.878,"end":312.708,"text":"比例也蠻高的嘛所以這個真的是影響到民眾的安全所以就是說對於主管機關的一個建議的改善不曉得主委是否會就是說在這個完整的調查報告出來之前就有一個其中的安全通告要求觀光署這對所有管轄的觀光地區的遊行車有一樣的一個管理的方向這個我請我們公路調查組來研究看看是"},{"start":314.568,"end":336.394,"text":"好 你要回答嗎 簡單你回答報告委員 我們基本上調查要提出其中運輸安全通告是視我們收集的市資料來做一個判斷那我們現在這個案子正在收集市資料當中當我們收到這個市資料如果有相關的這些安全議題的話我們會及時的提出這個其中運輸安全通告"},{"start":337.394,"end":362.256,"text":"因為我們知道運安會主要就是說針對這個意外事故然後調查這個事故的原因那調查事故原因出來之後當然就是給予主管機關來或者經營的單位這個改善的一個建議事項我們的目的就是要避免這樣子的意外狀況一再的發生所以我們再來看一下就是類似的狀況就是有關這個台塘的五分車的這個出軌事故"},{"start":364.518,"end":370.301,"text":"在最近幾年就是有陸續發生了幾件的這個台糖的觀光五分車的出軌的事件在109年6月28號新營的糖廠五分車出軌事件那這無人傷亡了那在111年7月30號蒜頭糖廠的觀光五分車出軌"},{"start":385.047,"end":406.685,"text":"那這兩個事件在我們運安會的調查報告出現的原因其實是有一樣的原因就是我們看到我們當時就是針對這兩件事故的出軌事故其中有兩個是完全一樣的就是台坦未能確實執行營運路線的日檢"},{"start":407.526,"end":411.171,"text":"月檢還有連檢的作業然後第二個就是台廠隊五分車營運管理欠缺負責鐵路行車安全政策規章預算行車事故調查等業務的組織所以我的意思是說我們在109年的這個事故發生的時候如果我們可以"},{"start":426.61,"end":447.041,"text":"有提早一個其中安全通告針對類似一樣營運狀況的有提出事先的一個建議事項那是不是可以避免之後的這樣子的事件在發生因為在111年發生了事故結果事故原因是一樣的主委請你就是針對這個事件您的看法"},{"start":447.561,"end":469.63,"text":"我請鐵道調查組的組長 不好意思老師 委員好 跟委員報告這兩件台塘的列車的事故我們首先第一件在調查的時候其實是單純發現它的列車的出軌情形第二件調查的時候我們其實也才進一步去了解到說台塘過去在組織的架構上並沒有一個專責的單位負責五分車的維修跟保養還有人員訓練的部分"},{"start":476.192,"end":496.893,"text":"那所以在第二個案件之後我們就針對於這個組織分工的部分組織架構的部分做一個分析那也提出改善建議所以自從這個案件第二件案件就是我們公佈提出這個改善建議之後那後續我們也持續關注那到目前為止台堂到目前為止沒有再有其他的一些這個事故或事件發生以上報告"},{"start":497.481,"end":523.06,"text":"是 就是說我們希望從這個事故然後釐清原因當然就是建議改善我們就是避免憾事一再發生所以我們也希望就是說未來我們運安會針對一些事故發生的時候是不是能夠有更積極的一個回應跟做法我們的目的就是希望能夠保障民眾行車的一個安全避免這樣子的憾事再發生好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:01:50.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:01:51.370000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請主席邀請林主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T10:01:51.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:01:51.550000+08:00","text":"我們請林主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:01:51.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:01:52.550000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:01:51.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:01:51.690000+08:00","text":"主委早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:01:51.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:02:34.412000+08:00","text":"本席首先來關心，就是今年3月9號在南投杉林溪發生的一起遊園車翻覆意外，當天就是園區內的電動接駁車載著8名遊客，在行駛途中撞擊山壁，然後造成了翻覆，結果導致乘客1人死亡、7人受傷的意外悲劇，這件案子目前運安會已經正式立案調查了，對不對？是。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:02:37.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:03:26.373000+08:00","text":"從這個事故、這個事件我們也發現到，這個遊園車長期存在著管理制度上的一些漏洞，因為我們知道，這些私人園區內載客的遊園車，監理的強度比不上公路的客運，公路局管不到，因為這是在私人的園區內，遊園車也不需要申請牌照，觀光業務的主管機關觀光署，它也缺乏車輛安檢的專業，所以目前遊園車基本上就是要由業者自主管理，然後再由地方或者中央單位督導，所以整個監理的強度非常的薄弱。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:03:27.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:03:35.097000+08:00","text":"請教主委，你認為遊園車，就你的看法，是不是確實存在著很大的漏洞跟管理上的瑕疵？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:03:36.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:04:05.769000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，杉林溪的這個事件，交通部觀光署它是這個園區的主管機關，它並沒有對園區或者是園區的道路訂定相關的管理規則，園區的業者就是杉林溪遊樂事業管理有限公司，它是向農業部林保署租這個土地，它負責維護跟園區道路的管理。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:04:07.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:04:24.643000+08:00","text":"現在這個園區的同型車有6輛，它並沒有領有公路局所核發的牌照，所以現在交通部觀光署已經指示園區的業者停止所有的園區運作。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:04:25.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:04:40.749000+08:00","text":"那這個案子的調查重點，有涉及到駕駛員的操作、車輛的監理、園區道路的設計，當然又有乘員的一些生還因素，還有遊園車的管理知識等等。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:04:42.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:04:54.971000+08:00","text":"所以這個意外事故目前就是主管機關已經有做出處置，那這個調查報告預計還要多久可以出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:04:56.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:05:03.667000+08:00","text":"調查報告最終在明年9月會出來，今年9月會發布事實資料報告。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:05:07.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:05:22.175000+08:00","text":"照主委的回復，有關遊園車的管理，目前杉林溪是主管機關觀光署要求停止行駛遊園車，其他的園區怎麼處理？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:05:24.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:05:33.224000+08:00","text":"像其他的遊樂區或者森林遊樂區，同樣有遊園車的地方，你們要怎樣處理？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:05:34.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:05:36.746000+08:00","text":"目前我們還沒有其他園區的資料。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:05:37.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:05:37.987000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:05:38.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:05:47.791000+08:00","text":"因為這是一樣的管理問題，杉林溪是目前有這樣的事故發生，所以主管機關要求停駛。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:05:48.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:05:59.988000+08:00","text":"至於其他遊園區，目前的狀況應該是照常營運，可是在管理的制度上，應該也是一致的，所以這部分你們會怎麼建議？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:06:03.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:06:15.730000+08:00","text":"就杉林溪事件這個案子出來之後的改善建議，我們會系統性的跟交通部觀光署說，請他就管轄的所有園區一併檢討、改善。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:06:17.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:06:33.299000+08:00","text":"因為遊園車的行駛關係到遊客的安全，尤其現在假日民眾出遊的比例蠻高的，所以這個真的是影響到民眾的安全。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:06:35.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:06:53.787000+08:00","text":"對於主管機關的建議改善，在完整的調查報告出來之前，是否就會有期中的安全通告，要求觀光署針對所有管轄觀光地區的遊園車有一樣的管理方向？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:06:55.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:06:57.428000+08:00","text":"我請我們的公路調查組來研究看看。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:06:59.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:07:00.608000+08:00","text":"你要簡單回答嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"日組長智揖","start":"2026-04-20T10:07:03.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:07:13.252000+08:00","text":"基本上，調查要提出期中運輸安全通告，是視我們蒐集的事實資料來判斷，現在這個案子正在蒐集事實資料當中。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"日組長智揖","start":"2026-04-20T10:07:13.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:07:21.374000+08:00","text":"當我們收到事實資料，如果有相關的安全議題，我們會即時提出期中運輸安全通告。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:07:22.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:07:40.731000+08:00","text":"因為我們知道運安會主要是針對意外事故調查原因，調查事故原因出來之後，當然就是給予主管機關或者經營單位改善的建議事項，目的就是要避免這樣的意外狀況一再發生。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:07:41.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:07:47.236000+08:00","text":"我們再來看一下類似的狀況，就是有關台糖五分車出軌事故。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:07:50.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:08:19.956000+08:00","text":"最近幾年陸續發生了幾件台糖觀光五分車出軌事件，109年6月28號新營糖廠發生五分車出軌事件，所幸無人傷亡；111年7月30號蒜頭糖廠也發生觀光五分車出軌，這兩個事件在運安會調查報告出現的原因其實是一樣的。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:08:24.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:08:34.689000+08:00","text":"這兩件出軌事故其中有兩個原因是完全一樣的，台糖未能確實執行營運路線的日檢、月檢，還有年檢作業；第二個就是台糖對五分車營運管理欠缺負責鐵路行車安全之政策、規章、預算、行車事故調查等業務之組織。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:08:34.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:09:02.716000+08:00","text":"我的意思是，在109年這個事故發生的時候，如果你們可以提早有期中安全通告，針對類似、一樣營運狀況的事先提出建議事項，是不是可以避免之後這樣的事件再發生？","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:09:03.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:09:07.538000+08:00","text":"因為在111年發生的事故，結果原因是一樣的。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:09:11.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:09:12.021000+08:00","text":"針對這個事件，請問主委的看法？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:09:12.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:09:16.122000+08:00","text":"我請鐵道調查組組長答復，不好意思。好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳組長吉村","start":"2026-04-20T10:09:17.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:09:25.246000+08:00","text":"有關這兩件台糖列車的事故，首先，第一件在調查的時候，其實是單純發現列車有出軌的情形。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"吳組長吉村","start":"2026-04-20T10:09:26.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:09:49.260000+08:00","text":"第二件調查的時候，我們才進一步了解到，台糖過去在組織架構上並沒有專責單位負責五分車的維修跟保養，還有人員訓練，所以在第二個案件之後，我們就針對組織分工、組織架構分析，也提出改善建議。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"吳組長吉村","start":"2026-04-20T10:09:49.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:10:01.192000+08:00","text":"自從第二件案件發生、我們公布提出改善建議之後，後續我們也持續關注，台糖到目前為止未再有其他的事故或事件發生。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"吳組長吉村","start":"2026-04-20T10:10:01.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:10:01.873000+08:00","text":"以上報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:10:03.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:10:19.614000+08:00","text":"我們希望從事故釐清原因並提出建議改善，就是為了避免憾事一再發生，所以我們也希望未來運安會針對一些事故發生的時候，是不是能夠有更積極的回應跟做法？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-20T10:10:20.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:10:27.200000+08:00","text":"我們的目的就是希望能夠保障民眾行車的安全，避免這樣的憾事再發生。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:10:28.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:10:28.060000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T10:10:28.560000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:10:31.417143+08:00","text":"謝謝陳素月委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T10:10:31.717143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:10:34.860000+08:00","text":"接下來請何欣純委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}