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吊車事故大部分是誤會啦有看為什麼一再發生幹什麼是不是 要你們單位幹什麼包委員跟委員報告吊車原本就是一個比較高風險的一個運轉的方式那他要非常注重人員之間的配合你清楚吊車場裡面很多報廢的車子嘛"},{"start":215.694,"end":232.997,"text":"你車上給他找個地方給他堆放啊你放在裡面大家扯爛蛋在那邊亂扯一通哪一部是好的哪一部是壞的市長七堵紀錄段3月30日發生的事故我們有立案調查那這個案件我們也會朝這個方面去收集他的資料還會再發生嗎我請問市長我們當然提出改善建議之後你改善以後還要發生嗎那你提出來幹什麼是不是你提出來幹什麼"},{"start":246.766,"end":264.553,"text":"你就不要提出了嘛 提出幹什麼呢台鐵當你放屁啊你企圖這個什麼事嘛 你講嘛 這掉在哪有什麼事嘛充狀出軌 幾次啊可以這樣一直一而再再而三的發生嗎不對吧你們再檢討一下好不好你再發生我下次就針對你們來喔你們這單位要不要啊 主委"},{"start":274.878,"end":292.813,"text":"你們加強一下好不好我們來加強我們來加強謝謝韋的指導你們不是這樣講完就算講完就算這不好吧大家都很像你把這個繳卷了是不是交差了沒事了剩下台鐵的事台鐵也有責任啊他們董事長都幹得好好的然後再來"},{"start":301.608,"end":328.487,"text":"貝里斯級的一個貨輪在我們北干外海擱淺擱淺帶死亡的一個人,逆水窒息死亡的一個人我們海巡也去救他我們馬祖列島周遭礁石非常的多你們有沒有對這些外籍的船公司或是什麼航港局你們告訴他做一個通報"},{"start":330.387,"end":354.701,"text":"你行駛在這邊的海域,你們要注意啊,應注意而要注意啊你們這一方面加強一下好不好你們要做規劃嘛,因為它貨船沉了以後,會對我們海洋造成污染嘛所以我們的魚打凹上來會有柴油的味道當然不只這個魚的問題啦,是不是,我們周遭的這些環保啊這些啦"},{"start":356.912,"end":374.211,"text":"也會影響到大陸那邊去我們不是說大陸不是我們的我們只管自己的這也不好嘛主委可以不可以我請水路調查組的組長來說明一下你說明一下好不好你知道這個案子嗎"},{"start":375.297,"end":400.658,"text":"保委員這個案子運安會依法調查已經結案那對於船商還有航港局之間的合作會建立一個船舶的資料庫還有這個澎湖海域還有到麻竹海域涉及到海圖的製作航港局在這部分也都有配合在製作 以上好 還有一個很重要的空勤董隊NA108這個駕駛艙儀表板冒煙"},{"start":406.004,"end":433.806,"text":"這個機型是救援馬祖的我們東營尤其東營跟北竿我們有跟四人公司有訂緊急醫療專機嘛對不對但是他要維修啊他一年有一個月的維修期那他的任務是空警總隊在接替這個任務啦這種機型職人就會冒煙耶這個冒煙發生什麼事你們知道嗎"},{"start":436.669,"end":460.971,"text":"你回答一下來 我請航空組來好 來 回答一下報告委員 這個案子是其中有一條電線它去摩擦到有一個電的有條管子的接頭這就是那個動靜壓管的接頭那這個磨久了之後這個線就磨破了 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是的哇他在冒煙耶冒煙調查五個月還在調查相關的積極的檢查他們已經在執行了我是不知道耶因為他是在訓練的時候在台中台中那個大甲基地那邊"},{"start":572.662,"end":584.518,"text":"是訓練欸他如果到馬祖發生這樣的事情我當天我跟你講我第二天追到他們公司去我就要了解這什麼原因啊誰敢坐你這個直升機啊你還敢飛啊"},{"start":585.894,"end":610.287,"text":"我們這整個是參與式調查整個調查的過程空前總隊跟空中巴士他們都有加入到我們調查團隊他們都知道目前發生的狀況那你起碼初步應該了解一些是什麼事嘛發生什麼事嘛你怎麼可以讓他繼續飛啊你看現在很多的戰機客機一發生事情全世界全面停飛耶是不是你這個空前總隊飛機不只這麼一架耶所以我們才做徹底檢查你這裡會冒煙"},{"start":614.875,"end":632.801,"text":"很有可能其他的直升機型也會冒煙也有可能啊所以你們全部都要收回去整修啊應該是這樣你們要去了解我們也是徹底對整個AS365G隊做一個這樣的檢查沒有從你回答我你們認識的態度還不夠積極"},{"start":636.892,"end":662.327,"text":"你以後像這種情況,你第一天冒煙你起碼一個禮拜或是三兩天之內,你馬上要了解狀況如果情況緊急的話,你這個機隊所有的飛機全部都要停止,全部要進場去檢查你不然一次冒煙、兩次冒煙,每一架都在冒煙,那還得了啊你不要搞得我們乘客提心吊膽,你沒坐過這個直升機你不怕"},{"start":664.552,"end":689.753,"text":"我們從馬祖坐過來看著底下的那個海浪啊不怕死人欸那個下去就沒有啦你知道嗎下去就要去找耶穌啦所以拜託你們做做好事好不好你碰到這種事情尤其空中的事情我對這個空中什麼冒煙啊什麼這個非常重視好不好拜託啦主委好不好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:24.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:33:25.460000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，是不是請林主委？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:26.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:33:26.581000+08:00","text":"請林主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:26.581000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:33:32.867000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:32.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:33:41.654000+08:00","text":"林主委，早上聽陳清龍委員說淡江大橋會是一座斷魂橋，這是什麼意思啊？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:42.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:33:46.679000+08:00","text":"我第一次聽到欸，有那麼恐怖嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:48.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:33:49.181000+08:00","text":"我想不是空穴來風吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:52.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:33:53.093000+08:00","text":"陳委員說這將來會成為斷魂橋，這是什麼意思啊？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:54.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:33:55.014000+08:00","text":"這座橋還沒有完工，是不是機車道的問題？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:55.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:33:55.754000+08:00","text":"你們知道一點嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"日組長智揖","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:55.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:33:59.835000+08:00","text":"報告委員，最近這幾天因為淡江大橋快要開通，機車道的問題確實是大家比較……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:33:59.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:34:00.215000+08:00","text":"合龍了嘛！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:34:00.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:34:00.915000+08:00","text":"機車道有沒有什麼問題呢？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"日組長智揖","start":"2026-04-20T10:34:19.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:34:25.771000+08:00","text":"目前民眾比較關心的是機車道的寬度是不是不夠？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:34:26.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:34:29.612000+08:00","text":"寬度太窄是不是？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:34:31.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:34:31.853000+08:00","text":"是不是這個意思？","quality":1},{"speaker":"日組長智揖","start":"2026-04-20T10:34:32.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:34:36.774000+08:00","text":"以目前來講的話，現在設計的機車道寬度是符合法規要求的。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:34:37.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:34:38.934000+08:00","text":"他早上質詢這個問題，我為什麼關心你知道嗎？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:34:39.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:34:49.362000+08:00","text":"因為我們的馬祖大橋也準備要做了，所以有什麼風吹草動我都非常關心，這個你們注意一下好不好？","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:34:50.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:35:02.326000+08:00","text":"另外，從你們的業報裡面可以看到，每次大概又是鐵路最多，鐵路的部分待辦、待調查的案件就有31件，公路的部分有21件。","quality":0.66},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:35:04.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:35:04.887000+08:00","text":"鐵路是怎麼回事呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:35:06.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:35:10.509000+08:00","text":"你們不是在事故發生以後，然後幹什麼？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:35:10.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:35:23.794000+08:00","text":"要做調查；調查完了以後就要檢討；檢討完了以後，你們要跟比如像鐵路公司、事故發生的公司面對面地座談、檢討，還是一個書面資料給他們？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:35:24.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:35:26.636000+08:00","text":"主委，你回答我。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:35:33.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:35:36.268000+08:00","text":"不一定是鐵路，所有的航空……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:35:36.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:35:41.210000+08:00","text":"沒有，我現在先講鐵路，因為早上那麼多時間大部分都在檢討鐵路。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:35:41.950000+08:00","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按時數的，時間到了就要換零件，跟固定翼不一樣。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:41:27.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:41:28.296000+08:00","text":"它這個時間到了沒有？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:41:28.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:41:29.357000+08:00","text":"有沒有換零件？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇組長水灶","start":"2026-04-20T10:41:30.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:41:48.753000+08:00","text":"關於這部分，空勤總隊這樣的直升機是委託給Airbus（空巴）在臺灣的維修廠維修的，所以這部分他們都按照規矩在做。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:41:49.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:41:49.614000+08:00","text":"規矩是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:41:52.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:41:55.497000+08:00","text":"維修完了以後，你們有沒有去了解什麼情況？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:41:55.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:41:57.559000+08:00","text":"是什麼東西造成什麼事故？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:41:57.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:06.586000+08:00","text":"究竟是因為零件沒更換、平常沒注意或是保養不夠而造成這樣的事故，你們要去了解一下。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"蘇組長水灶","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:06.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:08.148000+08:00","text":"有，這個案子目前正在調查當中。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:08.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:09.028000+08:00","text":"什麼還在調查？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:09.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:10.430000+08:00","text":"114年11月28號發生的事情，現在……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"蘇組長水灶","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:10.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:10.790000+08:00","text":"今年11月會結案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:11.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:12.011000+08:00","text":"你們要調查多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇組長水灶","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:12.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:12.952000+08:00","text":"一年之內發布調查報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:23.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:25.982000+08:00","text":"現在4月，已經五個多月了，還在調查？是的。哇！","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:25.982000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:27.563000+08:00","text":"它在冒煙耶！","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:27.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:37.466000+08:00","text":"調查五個多月了，還在調查？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"蘇組長水灶","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:38.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:42.308000+08:00","text":"相關的積極檢查他們已經在執行了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:44.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:42:51.904000+08:00","text":"我是不知道，因為它是在訓練的時候在臺中大甲基地那邊，是訓練耶！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:42:52.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:43:02.498000+08:00","text":"如果在我們馬祖發生這樣的事情，我跟你講，我第二天就追到他們公司去，我就要了解這是什麼原因，誰敢坐這個直升機，你還敢飛啊？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"蘇組長水灶","start":"2026-04-20T10:43:03.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:43:12.059000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們是參與式調查，整個調查的過程中，空勤總隊跟空中巴士都有加入我們調查團隊，他們都知道目前發生的狀況……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:43:12.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:43:17.521000+08:00","text":"那你起碼應該初步了解發生什麼事，你怎麼可以讓它繼續飛？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:43:18.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:43:25.025000+08:00","text":"你看現在很多的戰機、客機一發生事情，全世界全面停飛，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:43:26.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:43:26.886000+08:00","text":"空勤總隊這個飛機不只這麼一架，是一個機隊。","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"蘇組長水灶","start":"2026-04-20T10:43:27.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:43:28.127000+08:00","text":"所以我們才會做澈底檢查。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:43:28.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:43:37.396000+08:00","text":"這裡會冒煙，很有可能其他的直升機型也會冒煙，也有可能啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:43:38.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:43:43.638000+08:00","text":"所以你們全部都要收回去整修，應該是這樣，你們要去了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇組長水灶","start":"2026-04-20T10:43:44.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:43:48.220000+08:00","text":"有，我們有澈底對整個AS-365機隊做一個這樣的檢查。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:43:49.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:43:50.801000+08:00","text":"沒有，從你給我的回答，你們任事的態度還不夠積極。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:43:54.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:08.640000+08:00","text":"以後像這種情況，第一天冒煙，起碼一個禮拜或是三、兩天之內，你馬上要了解狀況，如果情況緊急的話，這個機隊所有的飛機全部都要停飛，全部要進廠去檢查，是不是？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:10.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:13.863000+08:00","text":"不然一次冒煙、兩次冒煙，每一架都在冒煙，那還得了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:15.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:18.966000+08:00","text":"不要搞得我們乘客提心吊膽。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:18.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:32.080000+08:00","text":"你沒坐過這種直升機，你不怕，我們從馬祖坐過來，看著底下的海浪，真的會嚇死人，下去就沒有了，你知道嗎？","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:32.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:33.461000+08:00","text":"下去就要去找耶穌了！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:35.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:37.084000+08:00","text":"所以拜託你們做做好事，好不好？是的。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:38.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:46.813000+08:00","text":"碰到這種事情，尤其空中的事情，我對這種空中冒煙什麼的非常重視，好不好？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"蘇組長水灶","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:46.813000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:47.813000+08:00","text":"是的，我們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:46.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:47.733000+08:00","text":"拜託，主委，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:47.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:47.753000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:48.253000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:49.395857+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:49.695857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:54.553000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳雪生委員的發言，也謝謝主委備詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:54.853000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:57.424429+08:00","text":"我們現在先休息10分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:57.724429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:44:58.867286+08:00","text":"休息（10時44分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T10:44:59.167286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:45:00.881571+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時55分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T10:45:01.181571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:45:02.895857+08:00","text":"現在繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T10:45:03.195857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T10:45:06.910143+08:00","text":"我們接下來請李昆澤委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}