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今晚我們屏東九棚有一個國家火箭的發射場"},{"start":479.063,"end":493.477,"text":"預定在2032年完工那我知道我們這個以我們太空發展法第18條的規定這個未來太空事故的調查是由我們院安會來做主導那主委你們目前的人力夠嗎"},{"start":496.041,"end":513.082,"text":"我們沒有專業的人力但是我們會就現有的調查官裡面有航太背景的調查官然後請他協助然後我們有成立一個所謂的專家小組專家小組我們會有外聘一些比較有專精的來一起幫忙我們"},{"start":514.583,"end":540.315,"text":"應該這個也是要列為一個很重要的一個項目啦那尤其我想我們在2032年我們屏東成立之後我想未來我們也期待從產官學界整個太空產業的一個建制但這個建制之外蓬勃發展之外未來你們的部分有沒有跟得上來我們是要歡樂啦所以你們專業的一個太空調查人力的部分我想應該是要列為一個很重要的案件主委你有信心嗎"},{"start":541.115,"end":562.205,"text":"有啦 有啦 如果未來太空事務調查的一些能量上來之後因為國家太空航空中心他們的時程我們也會跟著上啦對啦 因為這個是涉及到跨部會的一個結合嘛所以不要國客會做好啊 高友博做好啊 基金部做好啊 只有我們做不夠這也會漏氣 主委"},{"start":565.663,"end":587.125,"text":"我們到時候如果人力不足,我們會跟人力行政總署爭取名額你有爭取名額,你的薪水就賺不到人、簽不到人,那有什麼用?這外太空的那樣,不是?所以可能在一些整體的薪資結構跟一個專業度的考量上面,主委還是要多費點心啦是是是,謝謝委員關心,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:06:57.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:06:59.237000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請林主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T11:06:59.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:07:00.078000+08:00","text":"請林主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T11:07:05.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:07:05.841000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:07:06.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:07:07.062000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:07:09.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:07:48.211000+08:00","text":"剛剛李昆澤委員提到臺鐵花蓮事故這個案子，因為這個臺鐵罹難員工是我們屏東的年輕人，他的父母親來到我的服務處，其實他們並不是要責怪臺鐵的同仁，只是期待運安會跟臺鐵在這個事件上面，到底有沒有完整調查事故發生的原因，有沒有人為的疏失，他們不希望他兒子的犧牲讓後面臺鐵的事故繼續再發生，他希望他兒子是最後一個受難的員工。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:07:51.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:08:11.229000+08:00","text":"就誠如剛剛主委講的，我們不是只有調查報告的責任，後續鐵道局也好或是鐵路公司也好，到底有沒有針對這樣事故的發生原因，把問題找出來，找出解決的方案，到底有沒有這樣的追蹤機制？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:08:11.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:08:13.651000+08:00","text":"主委，我們有沒有落實這個部分，你的看法呢？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"吳組長吉村","start":"2026-04-20T11:08:20.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:08:41.337000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，剛剛您提到的這個案件，因為我們後續收到通報，根據內容判斷，它是比較屬於職災事件，所以案子是由職安署立案調查，這個部分我們就沒有處理，當然我們後續也持續關注相關的事件，是不是有類似的情形持續發生，如果有的話，我們也不會排除立案調查。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:08:42.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:08:55.903000+08:00","text":"我想還是要正視這樣的問題存在，畢竟整個軌道運輸事關那麼多乘客的安全性，不是只有員工的安全，更多的是乘客安全，我們必須要重視。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:08:57.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:09:29.256000+08:00","text":"回到今天的主題，主委，現在臺灣在發展電動車產業，我們也期待大眾運輸工具能夠更加環保、更加節能減碳，但是去年6月臺北發生大都會客運電動公車火燒車事件，當時主委回應這是一個單一個案，但是已經快過了一年，主委，這個調查報告已經出來了嗎？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T11:09:29.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:09:35.840000+08:00","text":"我們1月29日有發布事實資料報告，這個案子大概預計10月份會發布最終的調查報告。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:09:35.840000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T11:09:40.025000+08:00","text":"還要拖那麼久喔？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T11:09:40.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:09:41.205000+08:00","text":"因為還有一些程序要走。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:09:42.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:10:03.153000+08:00","text":"主委，我想是這樣子，因為每次業務報告的時候，我相信每個委員都會提到你們調查報告的時間真的是拖得有夠久，尤其你看我們目前掌握到的狀況，114年你們結案了27件，平均完成天數是432天。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:10:06.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:10:12.911000+08:00","text":"主委，你想這個對我們的行政機關也好、對我們的家屬也好，情何以堪？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:10:13.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:10:22.415000+08:00","text":"這個問題每一次在委員會都會被提出來，難道你們沒有更積極的作為，能夠改善結案的速度嗎？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:10:22.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:10:23.936000+08:00","text":"主委，能不能有什麼新的方案？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:10:25.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:10:37.282000+08:00","text":"我們之前也提過了，怎麼樣分段來做改善建議，一個階段、一個階段來處理，讓行政單位也能夠有一個遵循的標準，主委，能不能再具體說明一下？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T11:10:40.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:10:51.989000+08:00","text":"調查案流程都有五個大階段，對社會關注度比較大的，我們會調動所有不同組的人把他加進去，時間會縮短。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T11:10:54.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:11:01.054000+08:00","text":"其實我們調查的程序跟國外都是一樣、都有一定的階段，即五大調查階段。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:11:01.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:11:19.447000+08:00","text":"主委，我們不是要叫你們草率結案，當然我們也知道你們人力的問題，還有整個案件量的問題，但對行政機關來講，既然發生了，我們就是要趕快找到解決方法及處理方式，這樣才是做事情的態度啊！是、是！","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:11:20.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:11:30.577000+08:00","text":"不然發生之後，你們只是一個paper出來，結果行政機關也沒有遵循，事故還是繼續發生，這樣的調查結果有什麼意義？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:11:30.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:11:38.563000+08:00","text":"只是你們有盡到自己調查的責任，但問題還是持續存在，主委，應該不是這樣的思考作為啦！是、是。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:11:42.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:11:56.321000+08:00","text":"我還是回到剛剛的問題，因為我們現在有很多新興科技的安全問題，應該要針對這樣的肇事原因，給外界有一個比較好的、正確的方式，運安會有沒有可能再做調整？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:11:56.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:12:07.269000+08:00","te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煩惱的問題，所以你們專業的太空調查人力部分，我想應該是要列為一個很重要的案件。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:15:50.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:15:51.315000+08:00","text":"主委，你有信心嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T11:15:52.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:15:52.515000+08:00","text":"有啦、有啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T11:15:52.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:03.301000+08:00","text":"如果未來太空事故調查的能量上來之後，我們也會跟得上國家太空中心的時程啦！對啦！","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:03.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:06.442000+08:00","text":"因為這個是涉及跨部會的結合……是、是。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:07.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:12.445000+08:00","text":"不要國科會做好了、教育部做好了、經濟部做好了，只有你們做不到。","quality":0.519},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:12.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:13.085000+08:00","text":"主委，這樣就漏氣了欸！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:16.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:20.787000+08:00","text":"到時候如果人力不足，我們會跟人事行政總處爭取員額……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:20.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:25.472000+08:00","text":"你有爭取員額，但你們的薪水如果跟不上人、請不到人，又有什麼用呢？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:28.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:29.816000+08:00","text":"這是外太空的，不是……是、是！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:31.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:36.663000+08:00","text":"可能在一些整體的薪資結構跟專業度的考量上面，主委還是要多費點心啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:37.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:37.564000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。是、是！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"林主任委員信得","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:37.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:38.104000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:38.604000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:42.889714+08:00","text":"謝謝徐富癸委員發言，謝謝我們主委。","quality":0.133},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-20T11:16:43.189714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-20T11:16:46.904000+08:00","text":"接下來我們請許智傑委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}