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那這個會含在所謂的剛剛自主安全計畫裡頭嗎還是額外再一份報告提交給何安惠"},{"start":479.005,"end":504.725,"text":"他會先自主安全檢查完成之後就委託國際讓我們也會檢視國際同儕的一些審查意見好所以看起來有我剛剛第一部分說的核安會內部的實質討論會議審查會議同時台電會同步進行國際同儕審查相關的報告也會出爐所以這兩件事情基本上是並行對嗎時間軸是一直往下走的並不是誰先等誰出來誰再往下工作對嗎"},{"start":506.692,"end":535.053,"text":"應該是台電公司自主安全檢查之後交給同儕那我們自己內部也會執行那個審查評估另外我們也會再去看同儕審查針對河山廠比如說台電公司提出來河山廠這部分的意見這樣順序非常清楚了所以各自有進行中的工作但最後台電要再把這個國際同儕審查的報告再交給河安會 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会有现场直播如果任何一个人想表达一些可以在我们河安会的官网上有个特别区域可以提出意见我们会回答所有的问题好 那我们到时候也一起宣传我认为把更多的声音带回来是重要最后 谢谢主席来河安湖无虞 河沸有解 社会共识持续发展再生能源我认为也是河安会要跟我们大家一起努力的好吗好 谢谢主委 谢谢处长 谢谢主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}