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主委早今天我們想先跟退伍會所屬的機構對於勞動權益保障來進行討論這個議題我想過去也曾經跟您討論過我想政府必須要克遵法令維護勞工的基本權益這也是主委您所要追求的一個基本原則"},{"start":33.228,"end":60.262,"text":"那尤其目前台灣正面臨嚴峻的這種缺工潮那無論是醫療體系的護理人員還是各大農場的基層同仁都相當難招募到薪水加入那如果我們退伍會所轄管的相關機構屢屢傳出違反勞動法令的情勢不但是有損我們現職同仁的權益更有損整個退伍會體系的聲譽"},{"start":62.233,"end":82.569,"text":"那恐怕會造成留不住現有的人才也招募不到薪水的一個惡性循環那政府應該作為表率帶頭示範如何來建立一個友善合法的一個勞動環境所以我們對於這個退伍會所轄管的醫療觀光乃至於轉投資的相關事業"},{"start":83.936,"end":97.149,"text":"必然會以更高的標準來做檢視那這幾年多次發生違反勞動法令的案件其中一定有需要檢討的部分先從醫院的部分來討論我們從勞動部所公開的相關資料來看"},{"start":104.155,"end":122.071,"text":"光是今年以來被處分的案件當中,有包括勞基法、職安法還有災保法等案例並且在這個案例的數量相較前幾年都有顯著的一個增加的情況那我想這部分我想先請教主委,針對我們榮總體系"},{"start":126.116,"end":135.034,"text":"仍舊出現違反勞動法令的這種情勢那目前改善的狀況為何退會有沒有檢討這個案例增加的原因是什麼"},{"start":136.333,"end":160.389,"text":"謝謝委員的指導我想這個非常重要維護我們勞工的權益這是一定要做的我們這些職場都是營造一個友善的職場我們統計115年違反勞動基準法相關的容願有五家容願五家容願這裡面有六個案件我們分別都已經處理了主要它是申請加班"},{"start":161.149,"end":176.336,"text":"或者是拆勤的刷卡記錄可能都有一些疏失這些我們分別都來督導給大家改善拆勤系統一定要核實記錄然後出勤的記載要精確到分中"},{"start":177.796,"end":202.341,"text":"嚴禁個人私下記載然後預立財線上系統來佐證這些剛剛跟委員報告的五家容院六個案件我們分別都各案都分別來管制來指導他們完成改善的作為而且納入我們年度的績效考核加強勞動法制的一些教育訓練這是我們有關容院方面跟委員做回報"},{"start":203.221,"end":222.451,"text":"已經有掌握相關的這個改進的一個進度吧是都有好那為了督促我們醫院能夠強化這個法尊我們也看到勞動部在去年的8月1號生效新規定將針對這個醫學中心還有區醫院違反勞基法將面臨加重的法源"},{"start":223.932,"end":251.461,"text":"那個結合這個勞動部加重裁法的這個標準我想請教主委是我們退伍會有沒有強化哪些內部控制還有這個管理的相關機制以確保這些醫院必須要落實規定也確實可以保障我們醫護人員的一個基本權益我要請台北紅總院長跟您報告好請陳院長謝謝委員關心這個議題現在遵守勞動法令這是我們非常重要一件事情對不起"},{"start":252.361,"end":281.721,"text":"因為現在的醫事人力嚴重短缺如果再不遵守法令根本收不到人所以醫院裡面的各委員會相關委員會都定期來開會有勞動的投訴甚至農總已經有工會台北農總已經有工會我們都會非常的重視然後一直討論如果有違法的地方我們一定要馬上改進但是呢這個案件上裡面其中有一件其實住院師聘用住院師他沒有適用勞基法"},{"start":282.581,"end":303.817,"text":"那所以我們現在訴願,但是沒有經過我們解釋就已經開罰,所以其實報告委員我們還是有點委屈,不過呢我們會繼續的訴願可以申訴吧申訴好那另外我想參考這個立法院的預算中心所統計的相關資料,在107年到114年我們違反勞基法的案件當中"},{"start":304.877,"end":312.505,"text":"最普遍的是違反的這個樣態就是違反第24條那剛剛可能就是主委您說的高達六次的部分"},{"start":313.529,"end":334.081,"text":"所佔的違反案件的事成,這些違規內容基本上都是延長工作的時間未加給工資另外休息日延長工時也未給工資直到今年違反的案例當中,仍然有相關的情勢出現針對加班未確實"},{"start":337.643,"end":361.212,"text":"幾星的部分 究竟是因為我們醫院內部的這個作業規定還是行政管理上的一個漏洞那退伍費我們要如何來確實改善所以各位委員包括這個我們從兩方面都做一個檢討我們第一個就是加班它一定要有必要性那應該是經過主管的指派或者同意之後再來去做這樣就不會產生一個落差"},{"start":361.952,"end":385.869,"text":"然後如果要加班一定要依法核發這個加班費這是一個人性化的管理然後用系統出勤的紀錄來計算剛剛跟委員報告這要計算到到分鐘那如果如果沒有禁止申報加班那麼核消一律就線上系統來辦理那這些我們相關的一些管制作為都持續來督導來管制來改善"},{"start":387.37,"end":412.084,"text":"那我想我們今天從這個醫療體系啦特別是我們最辛苦的醫護人員延伸談到我們退伍會所屬的農場的這個相關基層同仁不是要針對個案來詢問而是要檢討我們整個體系的這個管理缺失但是如果連國家所屬的我們的醫療機構還有我們的事業單位都無法提供一個合法友善的勞動環境"},{"start":413.665,"end":439.742,"text":"我們自己在想恐怕會很難期待到優秀人才會願意留下來為我們國家、為民眾來服務所以這部分我想也請我們主委能以最高的標準來檢視那也請主委和我們各單位的主管還有我們相關的負責人能夠多加留意我們剛剛所提的部分確實來做改善提升我們的一個服務的效能"},{"start":440.578,"end":445.115,"text":"好 以上 謝謝委員主導好 謝謝主委 謝謝各位謝謝陳軍營委員接下來我們有請"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:22:00.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:22:01.033000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，有請嚴主委。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:22:01.033000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:22:09.229000+08:00","text":"陳委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:22:09.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:22:09.449000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:22:11.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:22:18.677000+08:00","text":"今天想先針對退輔會所屬機構，對於勞動權益保障進行討論。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:22:18.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:22:31.247000+08:00","text":"這個議題過去也曾經跟您討論過，我想政府必須要恪遵法令，維護勞工基本權益，這也是主委您所要追求的一個基本原則。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:22:32.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:22:44.675000+08:00","text":"尤其目前臺灣正面臨嚴峻的缺工潮，無論是醫療體系的護理人員，還是各大農場的基層同仁，都相當難招募到新血加入。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:22:45.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:23:07.678000+08:00","text":"如果退輔會所轄管相關機構屢屢傳出違反勞動法令的情事，不但有損我們現職同仁的權益，更有損整個退輔會體系的聲譽，恐怕會造成留不住現有的人才，也招募不到新血的惡性循環。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:23:08.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:23:14.964000+08:00","text":"政府應該作為表率，帶頭示範如何來建立一個友善、合法的勞動環境。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:23:15.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:23:26.640000+08:00","text":"所以，我們對於退輔會所轄管的醫療、觀光，乃至於轉投資的相關事業，必然會以更高的標準來檢視。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:23:27.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:23:34.867000+08:00","text":"這幾年多次發生違反勞動法令的案件，其中一定有需要檢討的部分，先從醫院的部分來討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:23:34.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:23:57.949000+08:00","text":"我們從勞動部公開的相關資料來看，今年以來被處分的案件當中，包括勞基法、職安法，還有災保法等案例，並且案例數量相較前幾年都有顯著增加的情況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:23:59.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:24:10.767000+08:00","text":"這部分我想先請教主委，針對榮總體系仍舊出現違反勞動法令的情事，目前改善的狀況為何？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:24:11.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:24:14.034000+08:00","text":"退輔會有沒有檢討案例增加的原因是什麼？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:24:15.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:24:16.754000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的指導。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:24:16.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:24:25.160000+08:00","text":"我想這個非常重要，維護勞工的權益是一定要做的，我們這些職場都是營造友善職場。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:24:25.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:24:36.747000+08:00","text":"我們統計115年違反勞動基準法相關的榮院有5家，這裡面有6個案件，我們分別都已經處理了。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:24:36.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:24:45.291000+08:00","text":"主要是申請加班或者是差勤刷卡紀錄，可能都有一些疏失。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:24:46.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:25:21.341000+08:00","text":"這些我們都分別督導、改善，差勤系統一定要核實記錄，出勤記載要精確到分鐘，嚴禁個人私下記載，然後一律採線上系統來佐證，剛剛跟委員報告的5家榮院6個案件，個案我們都分別管制、指導他們完成改善的作為，而且納入我們年度績效考核，加強勞動法治教育訓練，這是有關於榮院方面，跟委員回報。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:25:22.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:25:24.763000+08:00","text":"好，已經有掌握相關改進的進度？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:25:25.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:25:25.643000+08:00","text":"是，都有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:25:26.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:00.398000+08:00","text":"為了督促我們醫院能夠強化法遵，我們也看到勞動部在去年8月1號生效新規定，將針對醫學中心還有區域醫院，違反勞基法將面臨加重罰鍰，勞動部加重裁罰的標準，我想請教主委，退輔會有沒有強化哪些內部控制還有管理的相關機制，以確保這些醫院必須要落實規定，確實保障醫護人員的基本權益？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:00.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:02.578000+08:00","text":"我請臺北榮總院長跟您報告。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:02.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:04.739000+08:00","text":"好，請陳院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳院長威明","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:04.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:51.729000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心這個議題，現在遵守勞動法令是我們非常重要一件事情，因為現在的醫事人力嚴重短缺，如果再不遵守法令根本招收不到人，所以醫院裡面相關委員會都定期開會，有勞動投訴……甚至臺北榮總已經有工會，我們都會非常重視且一直討論，如果有違法的地方，我們一定馬上改進，但是其中有一件案件，其實是聘用住院醫師沒有適用勞基法，所以現在正在訴願中，但是沒有經過我們解釋就已經開罰，報告委員，其實我們還是有點委屈，不過我們會繼續的訴願。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:51.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:52.149000+08:00","text":"可以申訴嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳院長威明","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:52.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:53.270000+08:00","text":"可以申訴。好。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員俊宇","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:54.751000+08:00","guess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