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謝謝各位謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:38:49.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:38:51.794000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請嚴主委。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:38:52.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:38:52.835000+08:00","text":"請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:38:53.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:38:53.076000+08:00","text":"黃委員早。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:39:00.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:39:00.551000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:39:02.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:39:53.724000+08:00","text":"我想探討一下，去年立法院6月10號三讀通過國軍退除役官兵輔導條例第二十七條之二的修正案，恢復上校以上退除役軍人子女教育補助費，並於去年6月27號公布實施，之後輔導會完成法規審查，明定去年8月1號就要實行，不過退輔會115年度預算在子女教育補助費編列了4億9,000萬，和往年的額度差不多，顯然來不及將上校以上退除役軍人子女教育補助費編進去。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:39:54.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:40:08.670000+08:00","text":"請問一下，這個制度在去年8月1號就應該實施，法規的部分已經完善了，但是現在還沒有發放的原因是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:40:08.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:40:15.512000+08:00","text":"是行政院卡住了，還是因為輔導會不敢編列這筆補助經費？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:40:15.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:40:16.432000+08:00","text":"主委，你來說明一下，好不好？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:40:17.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:40:46.263000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明一下，關於這件事情，大院通過之後，我們完成法定的程序、公告、召開審議會，發給辦法完成之後，我們在去年9月初送到行政院，院裡面主要考慮整個要更周延，就是所謂的軍公教都能夠資源共享、都能把這件事做好，所以花了一點時間做一些整合跟審查。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:40:47.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:41:06.617000+08:00","text":"我們在這段時間分成3個層面不斷地跟行政院保持聯繫：第一個層面就是業管的各處、組要去聯繫窗口；第二個是我們的副主委；第三是我本人，我們跟院裡面所有的長官、所有的政委及各處都一直保持聯繫，積極在作業。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:41:07.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:41:21.570000+08:00","text":"至於這筆預算，我想我們輔導會可以用退除役官兵退休給付這個預算來支應，是沒有問題的，現在就是發給辦法下來，我們都可以用年度預算來支應，這是沒有問題的，跟委員做說明。好。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:41:23.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:41:54.339000+08:00","text":"總預算案得以審查了，因為朝野已經釋出各退一步的善意，在這樣的氛圍之下，本席期待上校以上退除役軍人子女教育補助費今年就可以真正地實行，但是因為在預算中並不包含這個部分，請問一下主委，如果今年下半年要落實這個部分的補助，經費要從哪裡編出來？","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"羅處長馬可","start":"2026-04-22T09:41:57.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:42:00.006000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我是退除給付處的處長。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"羅處長馬可","start":"2026-04-22T09:42:00.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:42:22.237000+08:00","text":"基本上，我們在退除役官兵退休給付的人事費項下有編這筆錢，是4億9,000萬，我們的退除業務費可以由人事費項下來檢討支應，這個是沒有問題的，只是因為現在發給辦法還沒有通過，通過的話，我們一定可以做一些補發。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"羅處長馬可","start":"2026-04-22T09:42:22.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:42:23.218000+08:00","text":"以上報告。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:42:25.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:43:01.512000+08:00","text":"依照預算法第三十條，會計年度開始9個月前（也就是每年4月前），行政院必須先訂定下年度施政的方向，所以現在輔導會差不多要開始準備編列明年的概算，今年度的預算來不及編，在這次編列明年度預算的時候，上校以上退除役軍人子女教育補助費是不是可以編進去了？","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:43:01.512000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:43:04.373000+08:00","text":"可不可以？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:43:04.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:43:05.454000+08:00","text":"是，可以把它編進去。好。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:43:07.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:43:44.913000+08:00","text":"另外，本席在去年10月輔導會業務報告的時候向主委爭取，希望榮民到軍醫院就診也可以免除健保部分負擔，當時主委向本席承諾輔導會會啟動這個工作，讓榮民不會面臨到選擇軍醫或榮院的兩難，也可以和警、消、海巡、移民、空勤人員、現退役人員享受一樣的待遇。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:43:46.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:00.447000+08:00","text":"據本席了解，輔導會經法規內部的研究後，今年3月30日已送到行政院彙整各部會的意見了，主委是否了解行政院的意向？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:01.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:02.929000+08:00","text":"行政院會不會支持？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:04.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:04.457000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指導。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:05.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:37.186000+08:00","text":"針對開放有職榮民到軍醫院看病這個案子，我們完成了內部的作業之後，在4月初將函文送到行政院審議，現在行政院相關的各處、主計在做審閱、會辦當中，我們一直都保持聯繫、有掌握，目前狀況都正常，等到下來之後，我們就可以來做。","quality":0.716},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:38.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:48.192000+08:00","text":"本席在此呼籲行政院，對這個案子大家都非常支持、也認同，為什麼？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:49.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:53.419000+08:00","text":"因為這個是捷便的事項、項目，對不對？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:53.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:45:18.226000+08:00","text":"整合了所有警、消、海巡、移民、空勤人員及現退役人員，讓他們享受一樣的待遇，針對這樣一個狀況，去年11月當我提到這個案子時，你非常的認同，也希望行政院趕快通過這個案子，現在你們都已經呈報了，對不對？","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:45:18.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:45:18.486000+08:00","text":"我們積極來協調、積極來辦理。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-04-22T09:45:18.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:45:18.506000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主委。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T09:45:18.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:45:18.767000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:45:19.267000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:45:20.981286+08:00","text":"謝謝黃仁委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:45:21.281286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:45:23.852714+08:00","text":"接下來請賴士葆委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}