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增高衝突各位委員包括 我們一向都是不挑釁 但是我們也不示弱也就是他們對我們做什麼措施 我們同樣會用同一等的強度去回應請委員放心 我們有能力去處理海上任何的衝撞 任何的衝突"},{"start":290.762,"end":307.317,"text":"好 那如果真正的發生了這個突發的衝突啦或者一些這個器械的使用爭議啊海巡署對於第一線的同仁是不是有完整的法律協助心理支持跟事後的保障機制我們對於這個器械使用條例我們是有一定的規範的"},{"start":307.878,"end":320.963,"text":"譬如說你要使用槍啊 炮啊 要經過我的允許才可以使用另外對於通常因公執法所採 衍生了相關的這些不管是任何的賠償啊 撫恤啊什麼這些我們有一套的完整的這個撫恤措施"},{"start":321.905,"end":349.557,"text":"對 我想照完整的措施避免讓基層的同仁單獨去承受相關的風險這樣才能夠提高我們這個海巡署的同仁他們願意在為我們國家付出在第一線為國家征戰的一個過程中能夠受到大家的肯定那另外我再請教您一下就是說這個潮投地檢署在本月的14號起訴境外勢力行賄軍人泄密國安的這個"},{"start":351.758,"end":374.44,"text":"因為海巡署目前也有一位哨衛層級的官兵有涉嫌請問一下一個哨衛層級的官兵為什麼能夠接觸到足以被認定為違反國安法的秘密文書或電詞的記錄海巡署內部針對各級人員的接觸機密的全線分級是不是需要全面的重新盤查"},{"start":375.36,"end":394.725,"text":"根本包括因為這位同仁是在東南沙分屬那基本上東南沙分屬的所有的相關這些資訊我們都會把他列為機敏性的這個資料那他洩漏出去以後我們在第一時間就根據這個相關的法律就跟他這個停止然後最後把他免職"},{"start":395.965,"end":411.277,"text":"對 那針對現在這樣子的狀況的話針對我們現在的這個接觸精密文件的權限的分級是不是需要重新的那個檢視呢各位幫我們本來就是有一套的機制啦所以現在的機制是可以是沒有問題的"},{"start":412.017,"end":427.449,"text":"我們現在的機制上是可以防堵的但是我要特別跟委員說明是任何的這個所有的機敏的資料我們都是第一時間作為維護的主要對象另外我們這個所有機敏資料他都有被"},{"start":428.489,"end":454.114,"text":"洩密的可能所以我們對於人員的教育跟訓練我們現在持續加強那我們導入政風系統裡面的相關的這些防止國安洩密事件的相關措施那目前看起來這一個效果還是非常好的是由我們政風市來做處理還是要請海巡署再能夠再加強我們的這個針對一般我們的這些會涉及到這機敏的資料的這些人員要做更加強的一個教育訓練是謝謝好 謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:06.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:06.340000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:07.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:09.323000+08:00","text":"請張副主委兼海巡署署長。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:09.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:10.084000+08:00","text":"請副主委上臺備詢。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:10.084000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:13.545000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:13.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:13.545000+08:00","text":"署長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:15.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:24.252000+08:00","text":"近來中國海警船跟公務船一再侵擾金門限制海域，昨天又發生了一起，這已經不是單純的個案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:25.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:44:53.902000+08:00","text":"當然我在這邊要先肯定第一線海巡同仁，面對這樣的高壓情勢，始終堅守崗位、保持克制跟專業，非常不容易，但也正因為如此，我們不能讓基層同仁撐在最前面，我們必須要拿出更完整的應變準備，讓第一線在捍衛主權、維持秩序的同時，也能夠有足夠的人力、裝置、制度跟規範作為後盾。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:44:55.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:45:09.929000+08:00","text":"先請教署長，面對中國海警船常態化侵擾金門水域，請問海巡署目前除了一對一的併航監控外，還有什麼長期系統性的因應對策？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:45:13.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:45:19.797000+08:00","text":"全世界應對中國灰帶襲擾、海警襲擾，臺灣的海巡署是最有經驗的。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:45:22.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:45:33.670000+08:00","text":"全世界所有的國家都曾經到海巡署來取經，關於我們怎麼樣面對中國大陸這種灰色襲擾的相關因應措施。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:45:34.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:45:44.482000+08:00","text":"目前看起來，現在這樣的處理方式獲得全世界各國的肯定，因為我們的執法效能是非常、非常有效的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:45:44.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:46:10.041000+08:00","text":"另外一部分，為了要增加應變縱深，也特別謝謝委員的支持，最近我們在國安特別預算裡面有編列很多預算，這些預算就是要提早偵蒐到相關預警情資，讓我們提早因應、提早預製，就不會讓這樣的情形發生，即不讓中國大陸靠近我們的水域來做他們所謂的執法。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:46:11.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:46:20.749000+08:00","text":"我們未來會更有能力，大艦持續建造以後會有更多艦船艇的能量應對中國海警的襲擾。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:46:21.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:46:34.519000+08:00","text":"如果未來他們侵擾的規模更為擴大，比如可能從4艘增加到6艘、8艘，甚至從更多點同時進入，我方金門第一線的船艇跟人力是否足夠長期支撐？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:46:38.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:46:52.611000+08:00","text":"我們的艦船艇是統一調度的，也就是現在金門的海警船數量增加，出現預警情資，我們會從臺灣本島調大艦跟巡防艇去支援，因為距離近，所以……","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:46:52.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:46:54.973000+08:00","text":"現在的人力有辦法長期支持嗎？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:46:55.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:46:57.035000+08:00","text":"人力上沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:46:57.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:47:10.308000+08:00","text":"現在海巡署的基層人力還是相當不足，所以我覺得針對人力的部分也應該要補充，能夠把該編足的員額編足。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:47:15.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:47:26.556000+08:00","text":"萬一是長期性的侵擾，現在看起來人力調度也許足夠，但事實上基層同仁已經苦不堪言。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:47:28.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:47:44.404000+08:00","text":"另外，關於目前金馬澎分署跟第十二巡防區的人力配置跟支援能量，因為大部分都是發生在金馬澎分署轄區，現在這些支援能量是不是充足呢？","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:47:45.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:47:54.452000+08:00","text":"目前我們應對周邊水域情況的人力是夠的，也會機動從臺灣調艦船艇去支援。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:47:55.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:48:02.158000+08:00","text":"所以現在金馬澎分署的基層人力配置，還有輪班都是沒有問題的？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:02.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:48:02.558000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:03.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:48:06.923000+08:00","text":"但我覺得還是要真正了解基層的需求。是。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:07.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:48:23.744000+08:00","text":"如果對方在海上採取衝撞、逼近跟危險操船的高風險行為，海巡署第一線是不是有明確的、可操作的分級應變跟通報規範，以避免誤判升高衝突？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:25.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:48:38.276000+08:00","text":"我們一向都是不挑釁，但是也不示弱，也就是他們對我們做什麼措施，我們會用同等的強度回應。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:38.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:48:42.720000+08:00","text":"請委員放心，我們有能力處理海上任何的衝撞、任何的衝突。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:44.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:48:57.155000+08:00","text":"如果真正發生了突發的衝突或者一些器械使用的爭議，海巡署對於第一線同仁是不是有完整的法律協助、心理支持跟事後保障機制？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:48:57.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:49:04.219000+08:00","text":"我們對於器械使用有一定的規範，譬如使用槍砲要經過允許才可以使用。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:49:04.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:49:13.943000+08:00","text":"另外，對於同仁因公執法所衍生任何的賠償、撫卹，我們有一套完整的撫卹措施。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:49:15.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:49:33.573000+08:00","text":"這要有完整的措施，避免讓基層同仁單獨承受風險，這樣才能夠提高海巡署同仁為國家付出的意願，以及在第一線為國家征戰的過程中能夠受到大家的肯定。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:49:34.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:49:50.584000+08:00","text":"另外，我再請教您一下，橋頭地檢署在本月14號起訴境外勢力行賄軍人洩密國安的案件，因為海巡署目前有一位少尉層級的官兵涉嫌。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:49:51.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:49:59.992000+08:00","text":"請問一下，一個少尉層級的官兵為什麼能夠接觸到足以被認定為違反國安法的秘密文書或電磁紀錄？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:49:59.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:07.420000+08:00","text":"海巡署內部針對各級人員接觸機密的權限分級，是不是需要全面的重新盤查？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:08.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:20.063000+08:00","text":"因為這位同仁是在東南沙分署，基本上，我們都會把東南沙分署所有的資訊列為機敏性資料。","quality":0.711},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:20.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:27.725000+08:00","text":"他洩漏出去以後，我們在第一時間就根據相關法令把他停職，最後把他免職。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:29.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:37.952000+08:00","text":"針對這樣的狀況，接觸機密文件的權限分級是不是需要重新檢視？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:39.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:41.274000+08:00","text":"我們本來就有一套機制。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:41.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:44.256000+08:00","text":"所以現在的機制是沒有問題的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:45.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:50:56.025000+08:00","text":"現在的機制可以防堵，但是我要特別跟委員說明，對於任何機敏資料，我們都是第一時間作為維護的主要對象。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:50:56.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:51:11.031000+08:00","text":"另外，所有的機敏資料都有被洩密的可能，所以我們對於人員的教育跟訓練持續加強，並導入政風系統防止國安洩密事件的相關措施。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:51:11.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:51:16.532000+08:00","text":"目前看起來，效果還是非常好的，是由我們的政風室來處理。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-22T09:51:17.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:51:27.074000+08:00","text":"針對會涉及到機敏資料的這些人員，還是要請海巡署能夠再加強教育訓練。是。謝謝。","quality":0.559},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:51:27.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:51:27.114000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:51:27.614000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:51:29.614000+08:00","text":"謝謝許宇甄委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:51:29.914000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:51:33.628286+08:00","text":"接下來請張宏陸委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}