{"error":false,"id":["168679"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":168679,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168679","日期":"2026-04-22","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-35-12","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":12,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[35],"委員會代碼:str":["外交及國防委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-04-22T09:52:27+08:00","結束時間":"2026-04-22T10:00:42+08:00","影片長度":"00:08:15","支援功能":["ai-transcript"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1b95a94fccfe9aa90a31e0b39ac3e37f8dfea45507174d079da828a474ca019315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"牛煦庭","委員發言時間":"09:52:27 - 10:00:42","會議時間":"2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分。（僅詢答）\n二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管非營業基金－作業基金：（僅詢答）\n（一）國軍退除役官兵安置基金。\n（二）榮民醫療作業基金。\n（4月22日及23日二天一次會））","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":0.14909375000000002,"end":1.5834687500000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":1.95471875,"end":2.03909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2.03909375,"end":2.6634687500000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":9.56534375,"end":10.25721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":10.72971875,"end":11.337218750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":11.539718750000002,"end":25.090343750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":25.15784375,"end":41.27346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":41.408468750000004,"end":72.35721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":72.50909375,"end":78.07784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":78.39846875,"end":91.18971875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":91.69596875,"end":96.53909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":97.39971875,"end":98.47971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":98.54721875,"end":101.80409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":102.29346875,"end":117.36284375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":113.44784375,"end":113.71784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":119.21909375000001,"end":121.37909375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":121.80096875000001,"end":132.82034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":128.17971875,"end":128.77034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":129.47909375,"end":130.35659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":133.15784375,"end":163.02659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":139.18221875,"end":139.38471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":153.84659375,"end":154.77471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":162.33471875,"end":163.17846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":163.31346875,"end":168.39284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":168.39284375,"end":194.97096875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":168.76409375,"end":168.91596875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":169.06784375,"end":169.30409375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":187.59659375,"end":187.61346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":187.61346875,"end":188.38971875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":189.72284375,"end":189.94221875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":191.86596875,"end":191.95034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":191.95034375,"end":192.05159375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":192.05159375000002,"end":192.40596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":192.49034375000002,"end":192.50721875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":192.57471875000002,"end":192.70971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":192.70971875,"end":193.01346875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":193.01346875000002,"end":193.51971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":193.51971875,"end":193.53659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":193.53659375,"end":193.55346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":193.55346875,"end":193.57034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":194.31284375,"end":194.36346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":194.51534375,"end":194.56596875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":194.56596875000002,"end":194.58284375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":194.58284375000002,"end":194.78534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":194.78534375,"end":195.00471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":194.97096875000003,"end":196.35471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":196.35471875000002,"end":196.54034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":196.35471875000002,"end":209.53409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":196.54034375,"end":197.16471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":204.01596875,"end":204.74159375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":208.21784375000001,"end":251.23221875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":251.78909375,"end":270.06471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":270.35159375,"end":279.05909375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":279.36284375,"end":282.09659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":283.44659375000003,"end":288.59346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":288.40784375000004,"end":291.29346875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":291.29346875000005,"end":291.42846875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":291.42846875000004,"end":291.46221875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":291.46221875000003,"end":291.96846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":291.96846875,"end":292.98096875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":294.63471875000005,"end":296.96346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":296.96346875,"end":309.04596875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":309.68721875,"end":335.91096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":320.16659375,"end":323.11971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":335.91096875,"end":451.35284375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":336.19784375,"end":336.77159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":451.67346875000004,"end":460.78596875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":461.96721875000003,"end":465.44346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":465.83159375,"end":470.82659375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":468.27846875000006,"end":468.61596875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":471.13034375,"end":473.86409375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":473.86409375000005,"end":477.35721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":475.75409375000004,"end":477.32346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":477.79596875000004,"end":477.81284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":477.81284375,"end":478.25159375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":478.25159375000004,"end":478.26846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":478.26846875,"end":484.93409375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":483.01034375,"end":483.34784375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":483.82034375,"end":484.90034375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":484.93409375000005,"end":485.44034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":485.22096875000005,"end":489.69284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":488.81534375,"end":489.97971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":489.97971875,"end":493.47284375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":491.38034375,"end":492.78096875000006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":493.69221875000005,"end":494.97471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":494.97471875,"end":495.44721875000005}],"whisperx":[{"start":12.095,"end":23.861,"text":"這個上一次我們在退伏會質詢的時候,本席在這邊幫北榮桃分院的基層護理師請命希望可以改善他們的工作環境,那是從這個閒置宿舍的盤點跟提供給這個在這邊服務的護理師這個方向"},{"start":25.642,"end":41.056,"text":"來做這個要求那原主委當初非常爽快的答應一個月之內來盤點跟檢討那既然盤點跟檢討時間快到了我們當然也要持續來做追蹤就本席私底下的了解這你們確實有做盤點這本席給你們高度的肯定非常的有效率"},{"start":41.556,"end":63.584,"text":"不過問題來了就是盤點的結果好像有點狀況就是說因為畢竟是閒置的宿舍啦時間長了所以有些房間可能是沒有整理的狀態牆壁斑駁啊過於老舊啊等等一些的狀況如果只是實際名義上我先開放但如果居住環境不夠好的話那恐怕就是失去了當初的這個美意嘛那現在盤點的結果怎麼樣請退幅會簡單做報告"},{"start":64.744,"end":71.809,"text":"另外目前有多少間可以給大家來做申請針對不敷使用的部分配套的措施是什麼請檢要回答 謝謝"},{"start":73.017,"end":95.327,"text":"現在他潮容三班戶民比是ok符合規定的第一個人力這個委員關心的宿舍的問題他有分兩類一個是多房間的宿舍那多房間宿舍他有70戶70戶目前裡面空的有空房16戶16戶裡面有9戶是要代修的第二類是單房間的宿舍單房間宿舍是131床"},{"start":97.998,"end":117.046,"text":"總共現在目前空床是15床那是15床那麼依據委員知道我們當然不希望這個空置太多但是陶榮完全是按照他相關申請的資格來做一些來一些一些配顧現在陶榮院長又來我請他再跟委員做個補充可以請"},{"start":119.946,"end":138.856,"text":"委員好,上次委員指導之後,主委有立刻派我們副主委到現場去勘查我們現在房舍的狀況我們其實現在房舍佔用率大概是73.8%到87.2%實際上我們還有空的房間可以提供給院內執行職務的同仁申請"},{"start":145.859,"end":162.966,"text":"所以這部分在臨床應用上面沒有問題跟委員保證那至於委員所提到我們有九間現在要因為三十多年要整修的那個是的確那個比較老舊那會上已經有指導我們今年已經開始規劃然後編列預算有編列預算啦"},{"start":164.387,"end":189.189,"text":"可能要在明年那我們今年會先規劃跟委員先報告如果可以的話 當然因為你這個是醫院體系嘛財務上調度怎麼樣你們找一個可以最快處理的方案這是本期監體質詢的要點嘛既然有好的事情就趕快來落實雖然你有七八成是滿足的但能夠釋出 尤其是給護理人員多一點的好的待遇我想對於再一次提升的人力他是有一定的幫助好吧 請院長把這事放在心上"},{"start":189.809,"end":214.765,"text":"在這個地方我們花一點點時間來做研討趕快來做執行可以嗎我們會盡快協助草叢整修這個我也非常謝謝委員隊我們分院的支持跟幫忙因為我們醫院三十多年有很多地方都很老舊所以我們最近先把急性病房先整建沒關係你醫院你要調度你的資源然後做一些合理的安排包含專業的醫療品質的提升這都是對的"},{"start":215.425,"end":229.52,"text":"我意思是說不要忽略這一段,至少讓他有進度,讓他往前走,可以嗎?好,謝謝再來我接著請教,一樣這個是人力缺額的部分因為這我們被預算中心的報告點名那當然他用的是112年的這樣一個數字,說這個討分院的人員缺額率25.09是相對偏高的"},{"start":235.612,"end":250.502,"text":"那這個我們就問了退府會 退府會回了一份這個相關的資料你講說公職護理的空缺率已經歸零了那當然公職護理的空缺率降到零表示你很積極在做聘用這當然是表示你做了一定的努力不過我要提醒一下"},{"start":252.003,"end":269.755,"text":"預算中心的報告裡面寫的其實是整體人力的缺額率它不是只是針對公職護理的空缺率我們當然都希望各方各面的人力的增補要能夠持續來做改善持續來趕上公職護理補齊的不表示這個數字它就可以"},{"start":270.515,"end":292.463,"text":"有消降低壓對不對還是有努力精進的一些空間啊那請問現在的按照預算中心給你的指教這個實際人力啊也總體人力的缺額率現在是多少報告員我們現在整體榮譽都是三班戶秘密還有日班的我知道你戶秘密有WR這個資料裡面有寫這個我曉得都是符合規定的"},{"start":294.81,"end":308.224,"text":"來院長補充一下好了沒關係今天都特別來了謝謝你是那個謝謝委員對於我們醫院的關心那在這邊報告其實我們現在現有的那個護理人力有312位那去年的話因為受到受到那個"},{"start":309.935,"end":337.3,"text":"圍牢降臨退休的還有一些公職退休的那大概那個有14位可是我們今年就去年到現在我們公職的我們補了15位所以你公職補滿沒有問題這也算很好嘛沒有問題那在契約的部分我們去年到現在總共補了97契約的補了82位所以我們現在的護理人力能夠應付我們現在的臨床需要好我跟你講這樣子這個事情這樣處理就是說"},{"start":338.88,"end":367.437,"text":"因為預算中心畢竟可以指教嘛那我們當然就在這個場合提出來做一下討論那你後續就按照預算中心的定義啦就是說他的缺額率是怎麼算的那你這段時間針對這些的缺額你做了哪些改善的措施現在補充的狀況怎麼樣你後面提出書面的報告就好好不好我們來做長期追蹤我們當然不希望桃園被點名嘛對不對我們希望做好但是後發先至只要他能夠逐步的有改善有執政的努力本期都會給你時間我們就希望最後的結果是好的"},{"start":367.737,"end":378.028,"text":"好 最後一個要提醒這個一樣是有關於這個改善人力缺額跟改善工作環境的部分我要討論一下有關於這個榮怨獎勵金的這樣一個機制的問題按照現在的規定我們的退服會相關的榮分院的這個獎勵金的發放"},{"start":384.054,"end":403.589,"text":"應該是比較以前的概念啦就我本席的了解就是醫師拿85%護理師非醫師的人力共分15%當然醫師是整個醫療體系的絕對主力他有絕對的專業我們都要給予尊重這是沒有問題的不過我也請這個主委也好或者是院長稍微了解一下就是說公立的醫療機構譬如說部桃這個部桃嘛"},{"start":405.951,"end":431.156,"text":"或者是台北市立各級醫院其實大概也是經歷了討論之後發現也護理師缺額等等問題都很嚴重所以大概都做了若干的調整變成說醫師70其他人員30這個獎勵金的這樣子的一個比例那我們現在這個部分容院的體系也好或者是退服會的體系有沒有在這個都是醫院嘛你們剛剛還講睡在一起對不對有沒有做一下溝通然後在這個人力的部分因為本席擔心啊你這"},{"start":431.736,"end":460.638,"text":"其他的醫院相對來講其他的這個待遇這個獎勵金是比較好的融資體系相對來講少一些那會不會造成這個在裡面的流動我寧願到別的醫院啊就護理師等等那就造成惡性循環啊因為其他的人力比較充足醫療量能比較充足的時候病患當然就多了嘛病患多了就影響醫院的收入嘛那我們這邊就變成惡性循環本是擔心這個事所以特別提出來問一下這樣子的一個制度上的差異有沒有打算要做檢討跟重新處理請回答"},{"start":462.331,"end":476.396,"text":"我們現在正在檢討委員關心的我們所有的容顏的獎勵金要怎麼去發放怎麼樣去提高他們的一些待遇目前正在檢討當中那你們大概有抓多少時間我們都願意給時間一個月"},{"start":477.836,"end":494.801,"text":"一個月 好 我就喜歡這個退府會這個非常吃爽 好不好那我就期待啦 我跟這個事情一樣我們都長期追蹤 每個月裡面你要有一定的進度讓這個事情往前走 我們都希望榮業的體系 退府會體系在這個地方可以表現得非常好 好不好好 謝謝 辛苦了"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}