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只要一下雨就是水箱折果了啦"},{"start":424.896,"end":443.032,"text":"所以因為有做了這些規劃然後我們現在都有一些關鍵的地方需要靠著我們經濟部的這些預算所以我一直在強調一些關鍵性的我們要盤整一下我現在也在拜託市政府做盤整"},{"start":444.193,"end":470.399,"text":"就是關鍵性,我們現在做到很多個月可是有哪些關鍵性做下去之後,馬上就解決了一期、二期,不論是哪一個主要計畫的一期、二期、三期那個關鍵做下去,整個就都通了這個才是讓人民有感的所以我拜託我們一定要從這些,我請市政府盤整完之後這些重要的關鍵,盲腸斷了"},{"start":473.42,"end":494.611,"text":"這些通了之後就沒問題的這個部分一定要優先這一定要優先這個可能要拜託我們的部長還有水利署署長我們在整個中央管流域的整體改善還有調適計畫我常在舉我們的曾文熙我們的白水系統你看我們做了多久到現在這個地方通了整個就覺得好像"},{"start":501.514,"end":521.38,"text":"整個地方都看到所有的曙光了所以這才是問題還有我們因應氣候變遷縣市管河川及排水整體改善計畫這兩個計畫都是關鍵雖然我們前面的中央管是從110年到115年"},{"start":524.554,"end":546.224,"text":"剛好到今年我相信後面都還會有延續啦可是這個都是關鍵然後呢因應氣候變遷縣市管河川及排水整體改善計畫是從115年到118年多對今年開始啦所以所以這個新的要從哪邊關鍵做起這個才是關鍵再拜託我們的部長跟署長謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:56:43.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:56:43.770000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:56:43.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:56:44.150000+08:00","text":"我們請經濟部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:56:44.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:56:44.450000+08:00","text":"請經濟部龔明鑫部長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T09:56:44.450000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:03.591000+08:00","text":"陳委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:03.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:24.038000+08:00","text":"部長，這一次丹娜絲颱風，我們其實有發現了一個很重大的問題，也就是石棉瓦的處理，當時因為我反映之後，本來工廠是沒有補助的，最後我們有補助它石棉瓦的處理。是。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:24.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:27.399000+08:00","text":"其實為什麼要這個補助？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:28.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:47.497000+08:00","text":"它的重點是政府的後端協助，如果我們政府的後端協助有幫忙，石棉瓦的去處，我們就可以掌控，可是現在基本上還有很多石棉瓦還沒有完成清理，這個部分要怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:47.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:57:48.398000+08:00","text":"工廠也有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T09:57:49.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:19.769000+08:00","text":"是，也感謝上次委員的協調，後來因為陳委員的協調，所以我們改成每一個廠補助20萬，原來是每一家公司，但是現在是每一個廠都有，這是委員的建議，我們也採納，但是因為當初行政院在跨部會協商的時候，廢棄物運送是屬於環境部負責，我想我們再來跟環境部看看怎麼樣協調……","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:20.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:42.080000+08:00","text":"因為最主要都是去處的問題，其實我們補助是我們政府有要幫它處理這最末端的石棉瓦，整理以及不會再重複的受害，因為石棉瓦非常的毒，是這個問題。是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:43.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:53.846000+08:00","text":"讓它不會造成二次傷害，所以我覺得我們要的是這個後端的去處，環境部怎麼幫忙、怎麼處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:54.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:58:55.747000+08:00","text":"我們地方政府怎麼幫忙？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:58:56.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:07.898000+08:00","text":"我們要的是在這個脈絡，所以是不是可以拜託部長在這個區塊，有企業的、有工廠的，如果他們的石棉瓦後端處理還有問題的，我們該怎麼辦？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:12.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:14.423000+08:00","text":"是不是去了解一下，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:15.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:20.745000+08:00","text":"好，我們來了解，也協調環境部，還有地方政府，看怎麼樣來把這個事情處理掉。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:21.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:59:48.989000+08:00","text":"對，因為我們不要讓它造成二次傷害，因為過去可能沒有注意到這麼嚴重的問題，可是一個丹娜絲颱風之後，把整個都吹垮，逼著大家不去面對都不行，既然問題產生了，我們要怎麼積極化，也是我們相關部會要跨部會協調，因為不是經濟部就處理得了，就像石棉瓦的專業處理是在環境部。是。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T09:59:50.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:00:02.013000+08:00","text":"環境部怎麼去協調能夠處理的廠商，並給予後端的指示，這才是我們的關鍵，所以拜託部長。好的。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T10:00:03.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:00:18.419000+08:00","text":"再來，我們115年有幾個重要的公建計畫，從台電、台水到水利署，可能都是跟經濟部比較有關係的。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T10:00:20.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:00:34.128000+08:00","text":"台電包括南區一期輸變電專案計畫、南科超高壓變電所擴建計畫，以及變電所整所改建一期專案計畫。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T10:00:34.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:00:36.952000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，你們到底進行到什麼程度？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T10:00:37.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:00:39.756000+08:00","text":"是只有等預算嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T10:00:40.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:00:41.498000+08:00","text":"請董事長說明。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"2026-04-22T10:00:41.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:00:51.289000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為我們是事業單位，還是會提前做一些規劃，但是預算的審查，當然我們一些新興計畫，尤其是計畫性的支出，如果沒有審過，我們只能提報上級機關准許我們提前動支。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"曾董事長文生","start":"202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年到115年，剛好到今年，我相信後面都還會有延續，可是這個都是關鍵。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T10:05:34.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:05:44.142000+08:00","text":"而因應氣候變遷縣市管河川及排水整體改善計畫是從115年到118年，剛好從今年開始……","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T10:05:44.142000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:05:45.783000+08:00","text":"是，這是新的計畫。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T10:05:45.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:05:48.024000+08:00","text":"所以這個新的要從哪邊關鍵做起，這個才是關鍵。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員亭妃","start":"2026-04-22T10:05:48.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:05:49.224000+08:00","text":"再拜託部長跟署長，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:05:49.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:05:52.866857+08:00","text":"謝謝陳亭妃委員，謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:05:53.166857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:05:56.309714+08:00","text":"接下來請鄭天財委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}