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攀點可行的南島文化航線那麼規劃在試航或示範性的航行計畫這個都是我們未來跟太平洋島國或友邦在這裡面接觸的一個基礎更何況今年其實去年 帛琉已經來過一艘船已經引起轟動那今年你們做的事情呢就是人家來了再拉到你們海委會所在的地方但事實上航行在原住民的這個區塊你們到底是怎麼樣來做的"},{"start":232.637,"end":262.317,"text":"那最重要的是我們的船什麼時候可以航行南島我們的仿古船我們的原住民族的南島語族的船什麼時候可以從台灣航行出去因為你們一直說台灣是南島語族的發源地但是現在我們的主體地位已經被其他的國家開始用航行快要取代了請問海委會的成立跟你們未來希望有多一位主委的這樣一個組織的這個改造"},{"start":262.857,"end":282.031,"text":"那請問你們在這裡面在這件事情上是怎麼進行的實際的期程跟投入的一個規劃方向跟委員報告我這邊要特別跟委員報告我們管主也曾經擔任過文化局長所以他對文化文物包括歷史建築你知道本席也擔任過文化局長吧我知道"},{"start":282.791,"end":309.129,"text":"所以我想委員清楚管主委對於文化保存他是非常非常的重視的重點不是只有保存本人本席基本上也是個選手所以我們不能只是你們不要用漢人的觀點一直看我們來做展示所以我的重點是他是我們文化很重要的一個主體我們不是讓這個文化死在博物館裡面所以我們會從那個這個"},{"start":312.851,"end":337.216,"text":"也鼓勵我們各個部會啦不是只有海委會自己在做不是我們自己在做我們也包括我們是海委會耶你們的成立對台灣的整個海洋各類的事務是應該有一個主導的地位是所以我們海委會本來就有一個海洋委員會本席重要的在本席的幾個問題是請問你們有沒有把它放進核心的一個推動計畫裡面第二個七成"},{"start":339.144,"end":361.913,"text":"我們在一個航海復興文化裡面我們編列了從113到116他是有編列一個預算三億六千六百萬元你們打算怎麼做我們補助學校跟民間團體等這些計畫然後來這個規劃然後傳承發揚航海文化跟擴大海洋文化你們什麼時候要造出這個南島的防護船"},{"start":365.321,"end":382.728,"text":"這個很抱歉跟委員報告我可不容許我會後再跟委員報告最好是很清楚的給我期程跟你們目前在進行的方向然後切記不要只是一直補助而沒有海委會自己規劃跟執行的一個主體是好嗎是"},{"start":384.551,"end":402.803,"text":"這件事情就被人揮霍嗎那本席你是不是可以承諾本席要很清楚的啟程可以那第二部分本席很快的就針對這個海巡人員的這個退休來做一個詢答那不過剛才本席這邊要講的是對不起我這邊處理一下"},{"start":407.11,"end":433.877,"text":"好 那本席這邊要對這個海巡人員的權益跟警察人事條例的這個執行的一個爭議來做一個跟您做一個詢答那我們剛才前面講的是海洋文化的政策推動那接下來是人員的保障你要讓大家安定那我們在整個事務的推動才會比較平順所以行政院來暫緩呢執行所引發的對這個退休海巡人員的影響行政院因為執行暫緩目前有的這個爭議"},{"start":437.018,"end":459.515,"text":"影響了我們退休海巡的人員那目前行政院的說法說考量憲政爭議已經申請釋憲但是在半年內呢會提出整體修正的方案但是另外一方面呢退休海巡的這個團體仍然有一些意見那認為法律已經三讀通過還沒有落實會影響制度的一個信賴所以本席這邊有三個重點要跟您這邊來做個討論"},{"start":460.876,"end":486.044,"text":"海巡人員也是這樣一個體系所以海委會對於退休保障調整的基本立場是如何那有沒有支持在合理的範圍內提升退休保障要讓第一線的人員有明確的一個預期第二個部分是行政院暫緩執行三讀通過的法律這段期間海委會有沒有評估對海巡人員的士氣及流財還有未來招募的影響是如何"},{"start":486.624,"end":511.449,"text":"第三面對目前草野的僵局那主委是不是應該協助行政院來盡快跟立法院來進行實質的一個協調跟推動提出針對你們會內的一個可行的方案那本席不想看到退休的權益長期懸而未決那本席在這邊呼籲可不可以以海巡弟兄的退休生活為念然後來做積極的爭取那副主委您的看法"},{"start":512.899,"end":531.705,"text":"這邊跟委員報告我們的立場跟行政的立場是一致的昨天院長在立法院議員會裡面有特別承諾在六個月內會提出妥適的相關的規劃來配合來執行我想在行政的立場上面他一定會用最好的方式來照顧我們所有不管是任何身分別的退休人員的生活"},{"start":532.967,"end":544.515,"text":"好 那本席這邊要提醒也就是說剛才本席這邊提到你們沒有評估那這樣子的一個延宕對海巡弟兄士氣的影響跟未來招募你們會不會碰到一些什麼困難你們研析過嗎跟委員報告"},{"start":547.978,"end":574.899,"text":"因為這個是配合整個國家的政策跟行政院的政策啦所以我們還是配合行政院他一定有一個整體的規劃然後我們要落實來執行但是要特別跟委員說明因為各個身份別的人事條例的適用是各用各的身份的別來使用啦所以他們的退休權利跟相關保障他或許有一部分的小小的差異但是我想在行政院政策整體政策的規劃下面應該是不會"},{"start":575.881,"end":580.401,"text":"不會讓這些同仁這些退休人員的權益會受到損害"},{"start":581.284,"end":608.851,"text":"所以本席在這邊呼籲這樣子的穩定是長期要對第一線人員付出的一個承諾啦那在野黨始終以退休人員的生活穩定為念那也期待行政院可以有誠意的回應那麼立法院及基層的聲音應該要被聽到而且應該有具體的方案那尤其是我們的海巡人員所以請副主委這邊以蒼生為念然後積極的處理跟爭取那六個月的期程不能再延宕好嗎"},{"start":610.312,"end":612.622,"text":"好,我們會配合行政院的相關措施來辦理,謝謝委員好,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:05:39+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:05:40+08:00","text":"謝謝主席莊召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:05:40+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:05:41+08:00","text":"請海委會張副主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:05:39.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:05:39.349000+08:00","text":"請張副主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:06:04.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:06:05.484000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:06:05.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:06:05.924000+08:00","text":"副主委您好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:06:08.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:06:17.153000+08:00","text":"我們今天是針對你們在組織法這邊的修改來詢答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:06:17.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:06:32.625000+08:00","text":"早上在您的報告裡面，本席沒有聽到本席很關注的事情，所以本席要針對去年，也就是上個會期內政委員會有關於復振航海文化力計畫的質詢。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:06:33.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:06:42.273000+08:00","text":"當時管主委有正面回應，說他希望用一個專案推動原住民仿古船的造船技術，以及南島文化的國際交流。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:06:42.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:06:52.862000+08:00","text":"因為貴單位其實也有在不同的船體方面有一些計畫在進行，本席今天要進一步確認的是，你們目前的具體進度跟規劃的期程。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:06:53.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:07:14.459000+08:00","text":"依據你們去年針對前年航海文化力計畫的成本效益分析，政府要跟民間既有的手工造船，跟航海文化復振的能量，透過對話機制跟使用調度平臺，提升船隻使用效率跟整體推廣的效益。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:07:15.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:07:39.780000+08:00","text":"本席跟主委在前年也有參與一些部落的造船文化，看到部落航行的展示，這個方向本席是認同的，但是在方法上，本席針對方向，要跟你們提出來的是，它不應該只是一個補助的活動，應該像主委講的系統化整合跟平臺化治理，用專案來處理。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:07:40.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:07:49.892000+08:00","text":"本席要請教的是，這樣的整合目前有沒有延伸到原住民越洋仿古造船技藝，還是只有停留在部落的零散計畫？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:07:51.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:08:18.127000+08:00","text":"其實主委這邊也有跟本席建議，就是在造船技術的部分，也可以請經濟部比較專業的團體、專業的單位一起輔助跟推動，所以第一個部分本席要確定的是，海委會在這個年度，是不是已經正式將原住民族的仿古造船技術跟藝術納入復振航海文化力計畫的核心推動項目？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:08:19.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:08:32.222000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是關於調度協調的平臺，本席很關心的是，未來是不是會將原住民族越洋仿古船納入管理跟運用的體系，讓這些船隻不是只有展示或儀式的用途？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:08:33.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:08:56.824000+08:00","text":"對漢人來講，好像是展示用途，可是對原住民來講，這其實是一種生活文化，更何況現在我們身為海洋民族，應該作為一個主體，推動整個造船技術的延續跟真正航海的南島話語權，所以是不是應該有教育推廣跟國際的實際航行？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:08:57.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:01.987000+08:00","text":"然後第三個部分是最關鍵的，也就是國際航行跟文化交流的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:02.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:11.771000+08:00","text":"海委會有沒有一個具體的規劃期程，盤點可行的南島文化航線，規劃試航或示範性的航行計畫？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:11.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:30.397000+08:00","text":"這都是我們未來跟太平洋島國或友邦在這裡面接觸的基礎，更何況今年……其實去年帛琉已經來過一艘船引起轟動，今年你們做的事情就是人家來了，再拉到你們海委會所在的地方，但事實上，航行在原住民這個區塊，你們到底是怎麼樣做的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:31.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:37.541000+08:00","text":"最重要的是，我們的船什麼時候可以航行南島？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:37.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:45.226000+08:00","text":"我們的仿古船、我們原住民族南島語族的船，什麼時候可以從臺灣航行出去？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:45.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:09:55.833000+08:00","text":"因為你們一直說臺灣是南島語族的發源地，但是現在我們的主體地位已經快要被其他國家開始用航行取代了。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:09:56.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:10:05.720000+08:00","text":"請問海委會的成立，跟你們未來希望有多一位副署長的組織改造，你們在這件事情上是怎麼進行的？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:10:05.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:10:08.542000+08:00","text":"實際的期程跟投入的規劃方向為何？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-2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026-04-22T10:13:45.024000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是行政院暫緩執行三讀通過的法律，這段期間海委會有沒有評估對海巡人員的士氣及留才，還有對於未來招募的影響是如何？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:13:45.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:13:56.746000+08:00","text":"第三，面對目前朝野僵局，主委是不是應該協助行政院，儘快跟立法院進行實質的協調跟推動，提出針對你們會內可行的方案？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:13:57.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:14:01.227000+08:00","text":"本席不想看到退休弟兄的權益長期懸而未決。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:14:02.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:14:07.408000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊呼籲，可否以海巡弟兄的退休生活為念積極爭取？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:14:09.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:14:10.429000+08:00","text":"副主委您的看法呢？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:14:11.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:14:14.740000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們的立場與行政院立場一致。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:14:15.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:14:22.662000+08:00","text":"昨天院長在立法院特別承諾，在六個月內提出妥適的規劃並配合執行。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:14:23.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:14:30.685000+08:00","text":"相信以行政院的立場，一定會用最好的方式來照顧所有、不管任何身分別的退休人員生活。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:14:32.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:14:43.295000+08:00","text":"本席要在這邊提醒，剛才已經提過你們並沒有評估此事延宕後，對海巡弟兄士氣的影響，而未來在招募上，你們會不會碰到一些什麼困難？","quality":0.732},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:14:43.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:14:43.355000+08:00","text":"你們有分析過嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:14:43.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:14:54.924000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這是配合整個國家與行政的政策，所以我們還是配合行政院，且行政院一定有整體規劃讓我們來落實執行。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:14:56.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:10.357000+08:00","text":"特別跟委員說明，各個身分別的人事條例適用，依各個身分別來使用，所以他們的退休權益與相關保障或許有一部分的小小差異。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:10.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:19.380000+08:00","text":"但是在行政院的整體政策規劃下，應該不會讓退休人員的權益受到損害。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:20.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:41.829000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊呼籲，長期穩定是對第一線人員付出的承諾，而在野黨始終以退休人員的生活穩定為念，也期待行政院誠意回應，立法院及基層的聲音應該要被聽到，而且應該有具體方案，尤其是海巡人員。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:41.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:45.570000+08:00","text":"所以請副主委以蒼生為念，積極處理並爭取。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:46.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:47.851000+08:00","text":"尤其六個月的期程不能再延宕，好嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:49.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:51.602000+08:00","text":"我們會配合行政院的相關措施來辦理，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:52.102000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:54.959143+08:00","text":"謝謝林倩綺委員的詢答。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:15:55.259143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:15:58.402000+08:00","text":"接下來請李柏毅委員詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}