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所以我已經講到重點就是說在治安商的一些效率配合度效率如何因為過往在打造上一些國外公司國外數位平台公司的配合度其實曾經是一個很大的挑戰那如果沒有本國業者參與的話這個挑戰"},{"start":478.92,"end":503.492,"text":"的存在的風險是相對比較大的如果有本國參與的話這個風險可以達到一定程度的掌控效率也可能會比較提升所以這才說這都要通盤考量一時關照的對所以我們覺得說這個是否要放寬這個外資的一個限制我覺得真的是一個非常要慎重的一個議題那再來就是說未來我們台灣是否可以發展自己的低軌衛星"},{"start":505.636,"end":531.254,"text":"目前這個TASA都是台灣的NSP後續的國內的原來太空計畫室其實有在發展自己的體系那如果說國內業者假設例如這個STARLINK有國內業者參與我相信這個技術的一些傳承的一些參與可以有利於本國的衛星發展這也是一個"},{"start":531.914,"end":560.302,"text":"要考量的因素那如果對今天外資全部開全部豁免的話那本國要要如何去借機如何學習這一塊的可能性就消失了這個也要考量所以我覺得說為了國家的安全考量我們台灣也應該要積極發展自己的低軌衛星那我想我們台灣的人才基金我想這個部分也有帶我們就是NCC跟速發部去做這個資源的一個整合希望我們未來"},{"start":560.962,"end":563.426,"text":"可以有朝這個方向去發展好 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terminal。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T10:25:30.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:25:32.990000+08:00","text":"所以OneWeb在臺灣的運行也都是順暢的。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T10:25:33.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:25:39.136000+08:00","text":"當然，我們因為受到預算被砍的關係，實際維運的點會比較少一點，才190個而已。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:25:44.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:26:00.470000+08:00","text":"如果要以國家安全的前提為考量來放寬對外資的限制，倒不如就支持預算，讓這個預算通過以支持我們布建更多這樣的接收圓盤，是不是？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T10:26:00.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:26:03.252000+08:00","text":"是，請委員多多支持，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:26:07.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:26:23.230000+08:00","text":"從剛剛主委跟部長的回答，我們就可以知道其實現行條文根本不會影響到臺灣電信業者跟這些低軌衛星業者的合作，對不對？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:26:23.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:26:40.961000+08:00","text":"對，實質上是不會有影響，而且在先天的設計上可以讓本國業者參與，本國衛星發展技術也可以做一些銜接，然後國安、資安、治安、打詐在相對效率上也有一定程度的保障。好。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:26:43.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:26:59.331000+08:00","text":"本席也有看到在2023年7月的一則新聞，彭博社有一個新聞標題報導，馬斯克欲全權掌控在臺的低軌衛星持股，所以不利臺灣推動數位韌性。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:27:02.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:27:11.536000+08:00","text":"看到今天這個增修條文要放寬對外資的限定，不免讓外界質疑這樣的條文是不是在替特定的星鏈解套？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:27:15.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:27:17.080000+08:00","text":"主委跟部長的看法如何？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:27:17.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:27:36.999000+08:00","text":"法律條文寫的都是一般性的規定會通案適用，如果對現行條文的改變會超過過往的話，修正現行條文當然是沒問題，但是修正的條文會有幾個疑慮，大概有兩個情勢會變更。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:27:37.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:28:01.113000+08:00","text":"Starlink、SpaceX目前第二代的衛星並沒有要求在每個落地的國家設gateway，不設gateway最大的問題是數據主權的問題，也就是它是在邏輯層次上提供資訊給你，不管是通訊監察，不管是你用它做一些資料的使用與追蹤，這些都不在physical layer（技術層次）上。","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:28:02.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:28:10.540000+08:00","text":"如果有設gateway的話，它就從技術層開始提供給你，這個會實打實地有一些掌握，對國家安全、對通訊、對治安會比較有掌握。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:28:11.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:28:34.655000+08:00","text":"這對於業者的發展有兩個部分，就衛星產業來說，如果沒有本國參與的話大概也比較不好；對本國電信業者來說，固網也好、動網也好，第二代的Starlink未來可以取代掉行動通訊的可能性會大增，因為它最近取得了52項的新專利，這讓它以後要傳影音都可以。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:28:35.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:28:51.791000+08:00","text":"目前它在手機之間只能傳簡訊，是相對差，但是從第二代的衛星之後，這些功能突然變得很強，未來對產業會有影響，還要觀察它對本國產業的影響，所以我才建議要多聽相關利害關係人的看法。是。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:28:53.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:29:00.081000+08:00","text":"本來想接著問放寬公眾電信網路對外資持股的限制可能會產生的影響，但剛剛主委都有講了。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:29:01.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:29:32.281000+08:00","text":"其實我們都知道，從平常媒體的報導就可以看出馬斯克是極度親中的，而且這些都有事實根據，因為他都屢次公開發表親中的言論，向中國示好，所以我們也覺得如果未來這樣的親中企業掌握了臺灣的關鍵基礎設施，臺灣在面臨緊急狀況的時候，風險是否可以在可控的範圍之內？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:29:32.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:29:39.023000+08:00","text":"這是我們擔憂的，所以這可能會讓我們國家更陷於危險的境地。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:29:40.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:30:01.394000+08:00","text":"另外我們也看到，其實星鏈也能成為詐團、詐騙使用的工具，這都有事實發生的紀錄，像緬甸詐騙園區在被圍剿之後，急速死灰復燃，因為他就是大規模利用星鏈上網。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:30:02.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:30:13.202000+08:00","text":"臺灣也有詐騙集團用馬斯克的星鏈加深偽技術，以照片盜臉去識別，並進行詐騙。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:30:13.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:30:25.290000+08:00","text":"我覺得星鏈未來如果進入臺灣市場，我們可不可以去監理、如何監理，都是要很慎重去考慮的地方。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:30:26.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:30:52.966000+08:00","text":"對，委員講到重點，就是在資安上的配合度、效率如何，因為過往在打詐上，國外數位平臺公司的配合度曾經是很大的挑戰，如果沒有本國業者參與的話，這個挑戰存在的風險是相對比較大的；如果有本國業者參與的話，這個風險可以達到一定程度的掌控，效率也可能會比較提升，所以才說這都要通盤考量、一次關照的。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:30:53.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:31:01.830000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們覺得是否要放寬外資的限制是一個要非常慎重的議題。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:31:01.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:31:05.472000+08:00","text":"再來，未來臺灣是否可以發展自己的低軌衛星？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:31:07.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:31:34.594000+08:00","text":"目前TASA（就是原來的國家太空計畫室，後續更名為NSPO）其實有在發展自己的體系，假設LEO、Starlink有國內業者參與，我相信這個技術的傳承、參與可以有利於本國的衛星發展，這也是一個要考量的因素。","quality":0.753},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:31:35.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:31:46.117000+08:00","text":"如果外資全部豁免，本國要如何介接、如何學習，這一塊的可能性就消失了，這個也要考量。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:31:46.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:31:52.659000+08:00","text":"是，所以我覺得為了國家安全的考量，臺灣也應該要積極發展自己的低軌衛星。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員素月","start":"2026-04-22T10:31:53.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:04.545000+08:00","text":"臺灣的人才濟濟，這個部分也有待NCC和數發部整合資源，希望我們未來可以朝這個方向發展，謝謝。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:05.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:05.426000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:05.926000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:07.926000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的支持。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:08.226000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:12.511714+08:00","text":"謝謝陳素月委員，也謝謝部長和主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:12.811714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:21.383143+08:00","text":"待會兒委員許智傑詢答之後，休息10分鐘，休息結束之後，再來處理臨時提案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:21.683143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:24.826000+08:00","text":"接下來請何欣純委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}