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多久"},{"start":670.897,"end":684.36,"text":"兩週內我們提供兩週內你給我書面報告那我書面報告裡面要求你們要把跟相關單位的一個協商或者是開會建立的機制內容細節都要寫清楚說清楚好不好是可以沒問題好謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:29.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:30.304000+08:00","text":"謝謝健豪召委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:32.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:33.734000+08:00","text":"請數位發展部林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:34.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:34.235000+08:00","text":"請林部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:34.235000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:41.740000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:41.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:32:42.020000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:32:42.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:33:05.631000+08:00","text":"我還是比較關心民生議題，為防制詐騙，政府成立打詐國家隊，大家都對數位發展部期待非常深，希望數位發展部能夠用專業、用你們跟平臺的溝通、用很多很多的方式深入民心，讓大家有感，覺得打詐國家隊是有效的。是。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:33:06.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:33:08.732000+08:00","text":"但是我今天要問的是大家覺得好像沒什麼效的是什麼，你知道嗎？","quality":0.481},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:33:10.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:33:52.101000+08:00","text":"我去年6月有質詢Threads的廣告之前沒有納管，當然我也很高興數位發展部從善如流，我6月質詢，9月就納管，因為那時候Threads除了可以發文、發圖、發照片之外，詐騙量越來越多，所以我要求Threads的廣告要納管，要落實身分驗證（就是實名制）、廣告投放揭露、詐騙內容一定要儘速下架，就一樣納入網路平臺規範裡面。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:33:53.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:34:14.529000+08:00","text":"但是我們發現廣告審查從嚴之後，詐團反而更厲害了，現在轉換手法，這個媒體也有報導過，有很多店家自己開始發文？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:34:15.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:34:15.750000+08:00","text":"發什麼文？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:34:15.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:34:25.726000+08:00","text":"因為他們的名稱、商品、資訊等等被冒用了，這個是Threads上面的詐騙新手段。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:34:26.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:34:32.732000+08:00","text":"透過廣告投放實名制之後，他們沒有辦法通過認證，所以開始利用什麼？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:34:32.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:35:07.405000+08:00","text":"熱門商品的關鍵字，這個商品可能是電玩、日用品，現在最夯的化妝品之類的，他開始利用關鍵字、假冒真實店家名號，大量投放複製相關的內容文章，取得演算法的關鍵字推薦，很多民眾不曉得，可能就會下單，下單之後，就誘騙民眾私訊，取得個資或者販賣假貨。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:35:07.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:35:12.952000+08:00","text":"這個就是現在Threads上面的，他們廣告投放沒有辦法了，就換什麼？","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:35:12.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:35:24.262000+08:00","text":"換冒用真實店家、冒名po文，誘騙民眾個資和詐取財物，這個是現在新的手法，而且非常大量。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:35:25.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:35:43.050000+08:00","text":"你看，我們從Threads上面看到許許多多店家無奈的澄清文，而且這些文章大量被傳播，不僅僅是民眾的財物被詐取，店家的名譽也受損。","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:35:43.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:35:55.293000+08:00","text":"我的服務處也有很多人來陳情，很多人打電話說訂的貨沒收到，或是訂的貨是劣質品，要求店家要賠償。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:35:55.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:35:58.614000+08:00","text":"他們還跑來服務處說需要法律諮詢，他們該怎麼辦？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:36:01.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:36:03.176000+08:00","text":"這實質上面該怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:36:03.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:36:05.958000+08:00","text":"第一個、報警，該由警政署來辦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:36:05.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:36:26.033000+08:00","text":"第二個、平臺下架的速度慢，傷害一直造成，這個新聞也已經多次報導過，因為社群有很多這樣被冒名的文章擴散，影響到店家的生意，甚至讓他做不下去而倒店，所以Threads上面的詐騙問題到現在有增無減。","quality":0.807},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:36:29.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:37:06.479000+08:00","text":"這個部分，我就是要來跟部長請教一下，尤其警政署也提出示警，Threads的詐騙量顯著增加，而且我們現在依法要儘速下架，如果越快下架的話，第一個、可以確保民眾被詐騙財物的風險降低，第二個、店家被冒名的頻率或者是他受到的損失可以降低，這個問題是在於我們到底能不能下架的速度快，可不可以？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T10:37:08.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:37:29.953000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，處理Threads的這種詐騙，基本上，我們可以從三方面來著手：第一個就是加快通報的速度，我們在這邊要呼籲，民眾如果在Threads上面遇到有可疑訊息的話，請下載使用網詐通報查詢網，把這個事情通報上來，這是第一個部分。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T10:37:30.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:37:38.236000+08:00","text":"第二個、我們要加快確認是不是假店家的速度，因為我們以前比較沒有處理這種店家……","quality":1},{"speaker":"何委員欣純","start":"2026-04-22T10:37:38.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:37:43.278000+08:00","text":"你們現在要確定下架之前的程序大概要多久的時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T10:37:43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