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那我簡單就問好了今天我們在這個海上面齁就是剛剛其實王姐我也有問到就是我們在海上的活動 水域活動其實是越來越多的衝突也越來越多到底誰來做這個執法權就像路上我們會有交通警察嘛 對不對那海上的警察到底是誰你說如果有很清楚的分配那到底是誰在做這件事情海域的這一個項目是規範在海域油氣管理辦法裡面那它的主責機關是交通部對 那執法機關是"},{"start":455.496,"end":476.855,"text":"執法機關有關執法機關部分當然這一個有執法機關包括我們也可以執法然後這個月屬也可以執法然後交通部也可以執法因為它中間牽涉太多了因為像小床管理規則啊什麼這些規則太多了還有這個地方是不是公告這個可以作為油氣的這個都在國家管理管理署裡面也有相關的法則"},{"start":477.475,"end":497.53,"text":"是不是保護區這個都是我同意我同意就是說其實就是剛您說的全民署觀光署大家都有各自負責的列管工作對不對那我現在就只想簡單的問一個問題水上事故休閒活動事故逐年增加那到底誰要做那這件事情如果我們海委會"},{"start":499.071,"end":514.326,"text":"海巡署要做一個海上秩序的守護者我們是不是也可以針對這一件事情去做跨部會的溝通呢因為實務上你說漁業署它也就只有兩艘漁業訓練用船真正最多船的還是在我們的海巡署所以這個部分是不是可以來"},{"start":515.707,"end":544.689,"text":"就是針對我們這個海上的秩序維護來去做一個跨部會的溝通讓我們更明確的知道當我們的人民在海上發生事故的時候他可以怎麼樣子來誰會來協助他我們這個秩序的管理上面也可以有更清楚的各部會的分工這部分海委會可以來做海選署可以做這件事情嗎跟委員報告因為這有跨很多部會那我們給你們三個月的時間做初步討論可以嗎我們會把那個委員的意見帶回去做研究再跟委員報告"},{"start":545.202,"end":562.016,"text":"好那我們三個月的時候我希望可以三個月之後我們會再來追蹤進度啦就是希望在跨部會的分工之上水上休閒活動的秩序管理如果未來進入強制執法到底是誰來做那各部會的分工又是什麼接下來我們就會來追相關的進度謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:37:35.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:37:35.846000+08:00","text":"謝謝，有請副主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席（黃委員捷代）","start":"2026-04-22T10:37:36.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:37:36.648000+08:00","text":"有請張副主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:37:36.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:37:37.430000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:37:43.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:37:57.594000+08:00","text":"副主委，這次組織法的修法目的非常清楚，因為我們有越來越多灰色地帶的侵擾，所以希望增設一個副署長來讓海巡署可以承擔更多、更複雜、更多元的任務。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:37:57.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:38:17.685000+08:00","text":"上禮拜我國籍的基隆籍全漁6號漁船當時失火沉沒之後，船上的6名船員是由我國籍的全漁36號救起來，並且由海巡署來接駁，我們現在也持續的跟日方來進行聯合搜救，也希望船長能夠平安。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:38:17.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:38:41.743000+08:00","text":"不過我想要講一個重點是，中國海警卻刻意對外宣稱，這是中國臺灣籍漁船進行救助，明顯就是在吃我們豆腐，但是我也非常高興看到我們的海巡署第一時間就做出澄清，未來這種事情一定會越來越多，海巡署一定要保持一個積極的態度來捍衛我們國家的尊嚴，好嗎？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:38:41.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:38:42.824000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:38:43.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:38:44.725000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，沒有問題，我們一向都是這樣做的。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:38:45.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:38:46.226000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:38:46.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:38:52.651000+08:00","text":"接下來進入我今天想要討論的重點，今天是世界地球日，副主委知道嗎？知道。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:38:56.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:39:27.431000+08:00","text":"我們在講世界地球日的時候，不是只有講節能減碳、愛地球，還有更多的是如何理解自然以及如何跟大自然環境共存，其實對臺灣來說，我們在講一個很重要的重點就是海洋教育，但是我們從2002年開始談海洋立國之後到現在，我們在理念上面是非常非常清楚的，但是到底要如何成為一個完整的教育體系，這個落實上面看起來是有一些問題的。","quality":0.993},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:39:28.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:39:49.180000+08:00","text":"我們目前的狀況是，教育部有海洋教育執行計畫，海委會有海保署、國海院推動海域教育推廣和種子教師等等的，看起來非常多元，但是我們怎麼去確保這些單位做的東西，關於海洋素養的定義是一樣的？","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:39:50.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:39:56.362000+08:00","text":"這兩者之間人才要如何銜接，也看不到這個路徑。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:39:56.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:40:15.553000+08:00","text":"我們參考一下日本，它也是一個四面環海的國家，並在2007年也制定了海洋基本法，它也非常明確的在目的上面有講到三個重點：第一個就是要提升國民對海洋的理解與認同；第二個就是培養海洋相關人才；第三個就是建立人與海共生的永續觀。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:40:15.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:40:25.020000+08:00","text":"可是我們自己在看海洋基本法第十一條，它反而是聚焦在國民基本教育與公務人員培訓，我們的核心目標到底是什麼？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:40:25.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:40:27.162000+08:00","text":"我們到底要達成什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:40:27.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:40:43.151000+08:00","text":"所以我想要請問副主委，相對於日本，我們是缺乏一個整體的戰略架構，所以我們是不是可以在這個架構裡面扮演一個更積極的角色來整合我們跨部會？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:40:43.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:40:56.999000+08:00","text":"是不是可以比照日本明確提出一個清楚的海洋教育目標，還有跨部會的協調機制，讓我們的教育、產業以及國家方向都可以真正的串聯起來？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:40:59.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:41:22.248000+08:00","text":"我認同委員的看法跟做法，其實臺灣是海洋立國的國家，海洋對我們來講就跟我們的母親一樣，我要特別跟委員報告，海委會自從成立以後，在海洋推廣上面是不遺餘力的，甚至於有成立委員會，有19個委員……","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:41:23.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:41:29.914000+08:00","text":"這些我都沒有問題，我都同意，我看得出來大家都非常努力，但是我現在的問題是在於，我們的目標到底是什麼？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:41:29.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:41:46.409000+08:00","text":"因為我們必須要一個非常精確的目標，才可以去確認每個人都是往我們的目標在前進，這個是我想要請副主委回去研議的，是不是我們可以有個更積極的角色來整合跨部會，還有一個跨部會的協調機制，這部分是可以的嗎？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:41:47.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:41:59.296000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，可以的，我們目前是透過委員會的方式，固定委員開會，也納入了6個部會，包括海委會7個部會，由次長部分來做相關的推動。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:41:59.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:42:09.184000+08:00","text":"沒問題，我了解了，關於這部分，接下來下一個問題其實也是，就是我們看到白皮書，你們寫了白皮書，但是到底要怎麼落實？","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:42:09.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:42:15.527000+08:00","text":"從這個白皮書上面，我們還是看不太出來跟各個委員會之間的界定、工作任務又是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:42:15.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:42:42.419000+08:00","text":"坦白說，從其他單位的政策白皮書來看，我們可以非常明顯的看到，在環境的部分，他從策略上面到政策方案都有清楚的說明，或者是觀光的部分，對於跨部會要配合哪些事項，他也寫得非常清楚，目標也都非常明確，可是現在這個海洋政策白皮書花了400萬，但其實我看不出來部會各自的分工到底是什麼？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:42:44.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:42:54.699000+08:00","text":"當部會分工是什麼不清楚、目標也不明確的時候，就會變成是大家各做各的，但是不曉得目標是不是一致、有沒有重複或資源浪費的問題？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:42:54.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:43:08.808000+08:00","text":"所以我想要請教副主委，我們是不是可以跨部會具體的來做一個更細緻的計畫方案說明，以及大家遇到的問題到底是什麼，然後各自的KPI又是什麼？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:43:08.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:43:10.409000+08:00","text":"是不是可以在半年內完成初步的規劃？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:43:11.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:43:42.764000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，那個白皮書是在114年9月25日發布的，其實白皮書裡面就有提到66項策略和250項具體措施，在附錄二上面就寫得很清楚相關的執行項目，然後各部會應該做什麼，我想透過委員會召開會議的方式來推動，在推動上，我想跟委員想要的方向應該是一致的。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:43:42.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:43:46.567000+08:00","text":"但是這個有明確、可檢驗的KPI嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:43:46.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:43:57.757000+08:00","text":"因為現在我們比較清楚知道的是，過去有「向海致敬」這樣的平臺，你剛剛說你們也有一個跨部會的平臺，這個跨部會的平臺到底是如何運作呢？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:43:58.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:11.981000+08:00","text":"它是委員會的形式，現在有19個委員，納了7個部會進來，因為海洋白皮書裡面所有相關的，橫跨航運、漁業、能源、教育及遊憩等，它不是……","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:12.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:15.882000+08:00","text":"好，我懂了，聽起來你們現在有一個運作方式，對不對？是。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:15.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:22.484000+08:00","text":"好，我簡單問一個問題，看一下這一頁的圖，到底誰負責海上活動秩序的維護？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:22.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:22.964000+08:00","text":"這麼多部會，到底是誰在負責這件事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:30.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:41.923000+08:00","text":"我就簡單問好了，今天在海上面，剛剛黃捷委員也有問到，我們海上活動、水域活動其實是越來越多的，衝突也越來越多，到底誰來做這個執法權？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:41.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:44.505000+08:00","text":"就像路上會有交通警察，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:44.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:46.646000+08:00","text":"那海上的警察到底是誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:46.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:49.088000+08:00","text":"你說如果有很清楚的分配，到底是誰在做這件事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:49.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:57.934000+08:00","text":"海域的這個項目是規範在水域遊憩管理辦法裡面，它的主責機關是交通部。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:44:58.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:44:59.034000+08:00","text":"對，那執法機關是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:01.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:21.855000+08:00","text":"有關執法機關的部分，當然包括我們可以執法，漁業署也可以執法，然後交通部也可以執法，因為中間牽涉太多了，像小船管理規則等，規則太多了，還有這個地方是不是公告可以作為遊憩，國家公園管理署裡面也有相關的罰則。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:22.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:23.876000+08:00","text":"是不是保護區？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:23.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:24.036000+08:00","text":"這個都是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:24.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:24.877000+08:00","text":"我同意，我同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:25.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:32.563000+08:00","text":"其實就是您說的，全民署、觀光署，大家都有各自負責的列管工作，對不對？是。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:32.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:45:39.848000+08:00","text":"我現在就只想簡單地問一個問題，水上休閒活動事故逐年增加，到底誰要做？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T10:45:40.649000+08:0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