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謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:46:57.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:47:01.756000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請海委會張副主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T10:47:02.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:47:02.916000+08:00","text":"請張副主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:47:05.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:47:06.078000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:47:06.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:47:07.199000+08:00","text":"副主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:47:08.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:47:26.090000+08:00","text":"我早上聽了那麼多委員的詢答，可以感受到大家對海巡，尤其是海委會，其實是高度的支持，今天8個版本幾乎都一樣，副主委，你知道原因嗎？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T10:47:29.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:47:30.160000+08:00","text":"大概知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:47:32.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:47:34.441000+08:00","text":"你說說看為什麼大概知道。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍：首先要跟委員說明的是","start":"2026-04-22T10:47:38.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:47:56.205000+08:00","text":"第一個，海巡署作為海上跟國安的執法單位，負責第一線的國安任務；第二個部分就是海域執法；第三個部分是海域犯罪的調查，這都是海巡署的主要業務範圍。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍：首先要跟委員說明的是","start":"2026-04-22T10:47:57.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:48:24.201000+08:00","text":"另外在面對中國灰色地帶的部分，我們一向做得非常到位，而且對於中國不理性、假借執法名義做相關的灰帶襲擾，我們在應處上面絕對是維護國家主權，把國家的主權擺在最前面，海巡署最近這幾年做的事情可以引起國人的肯定跟共鳴。當然。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:48:25.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:48:39.052000+08:00","text":"在立法院裡面，其實在野黨團罵歸罵，但是對於海委會都表達高度支持，所以這次增設副署長，我看跨黨派大家也都表達支持。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:48:39.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:48:44.856000+08:00","text":"但是問題來了，人增加了，能力到底有沒有辦法同步提升？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:48:46.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:48:48.939000+08:00","text":"關鍵的風險有沒有辦法真正的處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:48:50.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:48:54.201000+08:00","text":"海委會，大家為什麼這麼支持你們，你知道嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:48:54.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:07.305000+08:00","text":"第一個，你們要顧國安，一方面你們要維持治安，還要維持整個海域的秩序，同時又必須配合國軍的演訓。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:49:07.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:19.812000+08:00","text":"以前大家說警察包山包海，現在各部會裡面真正包山又包海、業務包羅萬象，我看最吃重的就是海委會，尤其是海巡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:49:20.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:32.240000+08:00","text":"但是其實也不要忘記了，你們還有一個很重要的業務叫做海洋運動，我看今天大家談到很多，就像海洋秩序的維護裡面到底誰來主責？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:49:32.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:49:32.460000+08:00","text":"你就答得非常好啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:49:32.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:50:14.800000+08:00","text":"各部會差不多都分一點，但重點是，海委會尤其是海巡署，全臺灣各政府部門裡面，船是你們最多；你說人，我看近幾年海巡署的招募，經費也增加了，人每年也一直在補，從112年補了751，113年補了855，114年又補了1,007，整體來講將近七成，經費增加了，人增加了，連船艦，在籌建海巡艦艇前瞻發展計畫裡面，107年到116年預計建造141艘艦船艇，這個經費四百多億，現在交了119艘，陸續還要接收很多船艦，所以越來越龐大，大家當然給你們支持。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:50:33.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:50:59.074000+08:00","text":"本席在當內政委員會召委，那個時候我看海委會得到跨黨派的支持，大家會支持你們，就是因為你們的角色越來越吃重，還有一個因素就是你們的主委，我們以前在內政委員會稱他是海洋女神，也剛好是我們立法院的大姐大，很會溝通、協調。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:50:59.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:51:14.154000+08:00","text":"可是很多事情還是必須要一項、一項來算帳，就是海洋運動的部分，這麼多委員關注，你們的事情這麼多。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:51:17.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:01.384000+08:00","text":"臺灣四面環海，自由潛水等這些海洋冒險運動，民間一直在蓬勃發展，而且行政院的向海致敬，我看你們海委會喊了幾年，但是相關海域管理機關的思維，不客氣的講，還是停留在上個世紀，只要有安全疑慮、只要發生事故，你們第一個想到的就是限制、禁止，大家都怕出事，所以乾脆就是不要下水，這樣消極的態度都抹煞了國人親近海洋的權利，更扼殺了臺灣海洋休閒產業的發展空間。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:01.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:17.302000+08:00","text":"本席在去年也曾經針對冒險運動產業舉辦過座談會，當時每個主管機關的代表都說，海域安全都算海委會管轄，建議海委會來主政、統籌，大家再來配合辦理。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:18.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:19.823000+08:00","text":"副主委，這是什麼意思，你知道嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:19.823000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:20.823000+08:00","text":"就是大家因為難管、推來推去，誰叫你們的船最多？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:20.823000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T10:52:21.823000+08:00","text":"但是海巡的船不是來管理這些的，很多都是大型艦艇，常常都涉及到國安、涉及到配合國軍戰訓的演練。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-04-22T10:52:21.762000+08:00","guess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