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我們都一直 這兩個禮拜都會開一次會討論這個事情好 那部長請坐 因為我看到今天農糧署有人過來我是不是可以請農糧署嗯 農糧署沒人過來農糧署那個檢 呃 董珍檢安急診沒有沒有有有有有好好"},{"start":617.062,"end":635.062,"text":"我希望就是說農糧署在最近因為是我們那個荔枝荔枝這個開花結果的的時候那因為這個氣候的關係所以在中部地區尤其彰化南投這部分"},{"start":635.562,"end":660.369,"text":"它的荔枝開花不是那麼的理想那會造成這個結果結果就不好所以在前幾天地方的公所縣市政府都有邀請就是到現場去看那也發現說目前的這個結果確實是比往年還差所以我希望就是說農糧署針對這一部分"},{"start":662.31,"end":678.074,"text":"就是說我們果樹荔枝結果果樹造成它的可能在這個到七八月要採果的時候可能狀況不好的時候我希望就是說你們針對這部分要去密切的去觀察然後去如果真的確實是有這個災害的話應該也要啟動"},{"start":681.835,"end":708.912,"text":"這個補助天然災害的補助我們一直都有在包括委員我們一直都有在針對因為都有跟地方的代表或者是地方政府都一直在現看跟農民現看那現在他開花狀況確實如委員所講的他的狀況沒有像往年那麼好但是常常開花都是起起落落但是我們就持續的去關注他然後等到如果說真的結果狀況不好的時候我們會依照規範然後去看他們如果是災害"},{"start":709.612,"end":724.479,"text":"就是農業災害的時候我們就會給予適當的給予用所以是差不多幾月是五月份的時候嗎看他的結果的狀況要等到他真的有結果的狀況才能夠實際的去去"},{"start":727.11,"end":737.923,"text":"測量跟調查調查完我們一定會照做的我們一直以來都會做這件事我也希望你今天來之後應該也要跟這個署裡面去做一個回報就是說確實在地方這個荔枝"},{"start":741.847,"end":761.11,"text":"開花的這個狀況不好 因為可能乾旱 可能二三月那時候乾旱的關係所以造成這個開花不好 那未來結果應該也會不好所以如果說在這個五月份狀況還沒有改善的話 應該在五月份 五月初的時候應該要啟動天然災害的一個補助 好不好好的 好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:12:35.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:12:35.514000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:12:35.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:12:35.614000+08:00","text":"有請彭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:12:35.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:12:35.634000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:12:35.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:12:35.674000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:12:35.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:13:09.053000+08:00","text":"我今天想要就廚餘的部分請教部長，我們每一天產生的廚餘差不多有2,115公噸，其中有四分之一是來自於學校的營養午餐，我看到你們2月份的時候也有特別提到，希望廚餘能夠減量嘛！","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:13:09.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:13:12.916000+08:00","text":"最主要可能就是要從源頭控管。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:13:16.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:13:22.403000+08:00","text":"其實學校的營養午餐，可能就是一些邊角料啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:13:23.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:13:23.884000+08:00","text":"菜葉啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:13:24.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:13:38.031000+08:00","text":"或者是學生吃完中餐之後剩餘的廚餘，看到每日產生這麼多廚餘，一方面會覺得有點浪費，另外一方面會覺得學校的營養午餐可能不好吃，不然怎麼會剩這麼多廚餘？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:13:38.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:13:38.511000+08:00","text":"我想請教部長，你有跟教育部針對廚餘的部分做過討論嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:13:56.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:04.443000+08:00","text":"有，這個部分從一開始發生豬瘟的時候我就跟教育部提醒，這個東西一定要好好處理，要從源頭減量來做。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:05.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:22.432000+08:00","text":"甚至我也到荷蘭去，想要引進新的方法、fusion的方法，等於是從食物的源頭開始去做減量，當然教育部也都一直積極配合要去宣導、要去做，不過因為最近發生一件事，就是各個縣市爭相喊說營養午餐免費……","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:22.432000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:23.432000+08:00","text":"免費營養午餐，對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:22.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:36.699000+08:00","text":"營養午餐免費的話，那就是各縣市政府自己要去負擔廚餘的費用，所以這個情勢、這個局勢就變成是地方政府它要好好去處理廚餘的事，以後地方政府就要編廚餘處理的經費。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:37.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:46.565000+08:00","text":"我是覺得地方政府願意去編營養午餐免費，但是絕對讓大家不知道的是處理廚餘要很高的費用，所以我們也擔心這個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:47.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:50.748000+08:00","text":"所以後面廚餘的處理費用應該是滿高的。很高。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:51.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:12.866000+08:00","text":"我舉一個例子，我們彰化縣免費的營養午餐可能就是縣府這邊編預算，如果是外包餐盒這一種，國小一餐是50塊、國中一餐是55塊，如果是自己有廚房的話可能就更便宜。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:13.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:33.494000+08:00","text":"我們看到每日產生的這些廚餘，這個外包餐盒的廠商他還要去處理這些廚餘，以前可能會把這些廚餘交給業者去餵豬，會有人到學校來收廚餘，所以對廠商來講並不是一個負擔。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:33.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:02.085000+08:00","text":"現在廚餘不能養豬之後，這個營養午餐的費用一餐50塊，可能搞不好有5塊錢就是要來處理廚餘，這是一個很嚴重的問題，所以我希望部長跟教育部這邊真的要好好地去思考一下。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:03.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:41.760000+08:00","text":"你剛剛講從源頭去控管，源頭控管我覺得除了你跟教育部之外，衛福部這邊也要去考慮，就是說每一天孩子們吃的這些營養午餐，除了營養之外也要可口美味，要不然他會覺得不好吃、不想吃，然後就倒掉了，所以我認為應該要三方，就是衛福部、環境部、教育部大家去共同討論，一方面兼顧孩子的營養，熱量、營養兼顧之後也要好吃。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:42.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:08.941000+08:00","text":"後續各縣市在推動營養午餐免費，其實我覺得這個未來會成為一個很大的問題，因為這些廠商他的價格就是這樣子，要漲也不太可能，所以他可能就從孩子們每天中午吃的這些食材，這些食材可能會變得比較不好，我覺得未來可能會有這樣的問題。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:08.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:28.026000+08:00","text":"對，謝謝委員，事實上我們也發現這個問題，我們跟教育部是在規則、規定上面會做好，但是現在隨著團膳、營養午餐全部變成地方政府在出錢，它們是有比較多的統籌分配款來做這件事，可是它沒有編處理廚餘的費用。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:32.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:50.476000+08:00","text":"過去教育部是可以強力地介入，現在變成地方出這個錢，教育部的力道也明顯變少了，所以我們現在跟教育部正在討論這個問題怎麼解決，因為這個似乎以後都是地方政府的責任，那我們如何來幫忙它，現在我們的著力點的確空間比較少，我們正在想辦法。是。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:51.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:13.078000+08:00","text":"如果廚餘變成是包商自己要去處理、團膳業者自己要處理的話，他的營養午餐的食材可能就會縮水或者是品質不是那麼好，所以現在他們發現加工的食品越來越多，這個都不是我們樂見的啦！","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:13.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:43.659000+08:00","text":"我希望環境部應該就學校廚餘越來越多的這個部分，以前可能教育部有辦法去介入，現在如果這個力道沒辦法那麼大的話，應該要邀請各縣市一起，針對學校每日產生的廚餘要怎麼去處置，我覺得應該是拜託環境部這邊真的要好好地去做一個規劃、去做一個處理。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:43.659000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:45.100000+08:00","text":"OK、好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:45.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:09.043000+08:00","text":"我昨天也看到報導，臺中市的廚餘廢水直接倒到水溝裡面去，我不知道到底是哪裡出問題，連自己環保局的垃圾車都可以把廚餘水直接倒到水溝，那其他的呢？","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:09.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:12.465000+08:00","text":"這個是看得到的，民眾有檢舉，那看不到的部分呢？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:15.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:18.708000+08:00","text":"我說廚餘這個部分真的是非常嚴重，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:18.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:28.573000+08:00","text":"因為以前我們垃圾車來，當然它會有廚餘桶，如果你有廚餘的話，他就會要求倒到廚餘桶嘛！","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:29.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:48.344000+08:00","text":"現在你就一整包，有的就直接一整包丟到垃圾車裡面去，這個未來也會影響到焚化爐的壽命，所以我覺得廚餘的問題真的、真的、真的非常地嚴重，所以我真的要拜託環境部，針對這部分要好好處理。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:48.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:56.390000+08:00","text":"另外，我們也看到最近這幾天在彰化的部分，有一些廚餘還是有再去養豬啦！","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:58.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:13.643000+08:00","text":"這些廚餘大部分都來自於臺中市，可能是因為餐廳也多，所以這些被抓到用廚餘養豬的養豬戶，他們還是從臺中載過來的。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:13.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:21.186000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得這部分環境部真的要和各縣市好好溝通，廚餘要怎麼處理？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:22.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:31.409000+08:00","text":"如果全部丟到焚化爐的話，確實會造成焚化爐的壽命減短，如果沒有的話，你們和各縣市到底要怎麼合作？","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:31.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:38.671000+08:00","text":"要好好的處理這些廚餘，不是亂丟、不是亂倒，要真的有一個正常的管道處理。是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"顏署長旭明","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:40.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:55.519000+08:00","text":"目前看起來，今年度結束之後會全部禁止廚餘養豬，大概會有300噸的處理缺口，不過到116年年底之前全部都會平衡。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"顏署長旭明","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:56.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:06.544000+08:00","text":"目前各縣市積極在做廚餘的去化，不管是肥料化或其他能源化的設施，都不斷在進行。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"顏署長旭明","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:07.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:19.249000+08:00","text":"另外委員所關心的臺中這件事情，我們有跟臺中確實了解過，這是一個個案，它的去處沒有問題，可能是個人操作的問題，這部分我們會再加強要求各縣市政府，以上。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:20.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:25.891000+08:00","text":"所以你覺得目前處理廚餘的量能是夠的，也沒有問題？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:25.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:26.591000+08:00","text":"你的意思是這樣嘛！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:26.591000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:27.591000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:27.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:30.412000+08:00","text":"現在還是要進到焚化爐啦！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:30.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:33.093000+08:00","text":"我們希望這個量能夠逐步往下降。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:33.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:55.505000+08:00","text":"因為現在設施不夠，所以現在每兩個禮拜，行政院和我們都有在開檢討會議，因為這個部分地方政府要如實達成，不然的話就會造成整個區域的問題，所以我們會嚴格鼓勵、督導地方政府，希望趕快把廚餘處理的量提升起來。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:55.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:58.408000+08:00","text":"其實這個也會造成偷倒的問題啦！是。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:58.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:05.714000+08:00","text":"沒有人看到的地方或者深山裡面，廚餘就會亂倒或者垃圾亂倒，會造成這樣的狀況。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:05.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:12.360000+08:00","text":"所以我希望環境部針對這部分，真的要好好地再和各縣市溝通一下。有。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:12.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:15.403000+08:00","text":"我們兩個禮拜會開一次會討論這個事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:15.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:17.625000+08:00","text":"好，部長請坐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:17.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:21.088000+08:00","text":"因為我看到今天農糧署有人過來，是不是可以請農糧署？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:21.088000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:36.743000+08:00","text":"請董簡任技正。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"董簡任技正蓁","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:36.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:36.743000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:52.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:14.384000+08:00","text":"最近是荔枝開花結果的時候，因為氣候的關係，所以在中部地區，尤其是彰化、南投，荔枝開花不是那麼理想，這樣也會造成結果的狀況不好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:14.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:29.589000+08:00","text":"所以前幾天有邀請地方的公所、縣市政府到現場去看，也發現目前結果的情況確實比往年還差。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:29.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:54.036000+08:00","text":"所以我希望農糧署針對這個部分，就是荔枝果樹7、8月採果的時候可能狀況不好，我希望你們針對這部分密切觀察，如果真的確實有災害的話，應該也要啟動天然災害的補助。是。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"董簡任技正蓁","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:54.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:11.207000+08:00","text":"我們和地方的代表或者地方政府，都有一直和農民去現勘，現在它開花的狀況確實如委員所講的，狀況沒有像往年那麼好，但是開花常常都是起起落落啦！","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"董簡任技正蓁","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:11.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:22.873000+08:00","text":"我們會持續關注，如果真的結果的狀況不好，我們會依照規範，如果是農業災害，我們就會公告適當給予補助。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:24.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:25.755000+08:00","text":"所以差不多是幾月？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:26.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:28.256000+08:00","text":"5月份的時候嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"董簡任技正蓁","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:28.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:42.956000+08:00","text":"要看它結果的狀況，要等到它真的有結果的狀況，才能夠實際去測量和調查，只要調查完，我們一定會照做，我們一直以來都有在做這件事。好。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:43.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:47.942000+08:00","text":"我也希望你今天參加會議之後，也要向署裡面回報。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"董簡任技正蓁","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:47.942000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:48.942000+08:00","text":"是，我們一定會回報。","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:48.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:25:02.579000+08:00","text":"地方上荔枝開花的狀況確實不好，可能是因為2、3月時乾旱的關係，所以造成開花的狀況不好，未來結果的狀況應該也會不好。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:25:03.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:25:11.929000+08:00","text":"所以如果5月份狀況還沒有改善的話，5月初的時候應該要啟動天然災害補助，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"董簡任技正蓁","start":"2026-04-22T11:25:11.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:25:12.110000+08:00","text":"是，好的，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:25:12.610000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:25:15.181429+08:00","text":"謝謝黃秀芳委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:25:15.481429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:25:18.624286+08:00","text":"接下來請涂權吉委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}