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討好休息的蓋邊會去找委員這邊再來了解"},{"start":573.581,"end":589.064,"text":"那我再來談好請回座你的公共建設裡面有設立一個全國循環專期試點及新材料循環產業延期一共60億這個準備打算做什麼"},{"start":589.645,"end":617.358,"text":"這次是大臨埔遷村大臨埔遷村高雄的那個大臨埔要遷村你還用大臨埔我以為你又有心了這個是大臨埔遷村要把那個地方改為這樣南部人有福氣的我們北部尤其苗栗都沒有人照顧我才會問這個問題我告訴你開始問一下好不好還要講地方創新今年編的七千五百萬"},{"start":622.292,"end":634.776,"text":"7500萬綠缺的地方創生共好的是要做什麼這個是配合配合三千的不是國發會他有一個這個地方創生的一個計畫那我們配合他有針對你剛才講這個"},{"start":637.818,"end":652.53,"text":"這個我曉得 如果是配合的可以啦如果真的說地方創新太少啦我是很老實的講你國化會地方創新是只要你們的任務再來科技發展的預算請回座那個孫長你科技發展變成157億一共增加114億比例將近"},{"start":664.983,"end":692.995,"text":"算所有預算的35%我不反對而且我是全力的支持因為這個世界很競爭高科技很競爭但是一定要選擇未來的項目要有關鍵性的產力我們才全力的去發展部長那現在我剛才要問請教的是依據產業技術發展需要及仇日前瞻技術應用這個真的很重要"},{"start":694.093,"end":716.336,"text":"我那天看了一個新聞上一次日本來偷我們台積電的數量它叫做東京威力科創公司這個是日本的台積電現在日本政府要做二耐米已經要投資100億美金給這家公司"},{"start":718.038,"end":731.798,"text":"你們都不敢發聲他敢做二萊米一定有拿到我們的關鍵性的機制國家對日本自我投資100億美金發展二萊米而且準備很快就要量產"},{"start":733.573,"end":748.449,"text":"我以前一直跟你們講 不會啦我們台積電就問了啦他那個機是沒有辦法成報委員他那個是Rapidus是他們日本本身的技術啦過去應該是從iPad過來的技術"},{"start":750.491,"end":769.518,"text":"世界的競爭啊你不要講他說不然他怎麼要來這邊你們不要踢他某事啊 多了一本人你們卡著弄起來我跟你講這一下子投資100億但是他是我們的競爭對手沒有錯好不好我是覺得你們保護台灣不是這樣保護愛台灣不是這樣愛台灣"},{"start":773.78,"end":791.607,"text":"人家的技術盡量就不要吃雞 只有我們台灣一直在做焦慮做焦慮可以 技術要完全掌握在首領 是的 是的 是的 好不好再來 這個我看不懂你在中小及新創企業的科技裡面 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或是什麼補助地方政府"},{"start":948.065,"end":968.809,"text":"來實施的這些部分我還有很多地方想回答一下今年是21.2億啦你剛才看到4.53億那個是我們補助這個地方政府的一個潛力自來水跟很多的...這個是補助給地方政府的?對對對那我這裡21.2億這樣我勉強可以接受好好處理這一塊啦部長"},{"start":976.95,"end":998.035,"text":"這個是得民心的一塊啦現在對於自來水非常重視好 謝謝阿 市長我這次淹水苗栗的好好解決想一些新的辦法你在中間把它結一段製紡紙哪邊弄一個製紡紙出來那水就不容易淹了啦想法要改變要創新 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:13:55+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:13:57.770000+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:13:57.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:11.014000+08:00","text":"首先，有請經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:11.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:11.254000+08:00","text":"請龔部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:11.254000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:21.781000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:21.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:22.181000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:22.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:14:49.649000+08:00","text":"我看到你的總預算好像編得不錯，但是我發現一個重點，就是歲入減少，歲出增加非常多，歲入減少9.49億，主要是中鋼、臺鹽、漢翔等公司股息紅利繳庫減少，經濟部是一個這麼大的部，歲入減列9.49億，我認為你們稍微撐一下就有了，為什麼會這麼做？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:14:53.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:00.907000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為大家也知道，去年鋼鐵行情實在是不好。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:00.907000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:01.907000+08:00","text":"不是很好，我了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:01.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:02.629000+08:00","text":"漢翔是因為……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:03.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:05.450000+08:00","text":"漢翔做軍方的會大賺錢。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:05.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:10.274000+08:00","text":"沒有，它因為延誤先提列了……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:13.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:32.488000+08:00","text":"我覺得你這樣還不夠氣魄，歲入減少要恢復到以前正常的水準，第二個代表我們的傳統產業很不好，你應該要特別注意，以前是最賺錢的，現在面臨很大的困難，好不好？","quality":0.721},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:32.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:34.429000+08:00","text":"好，今年的狀況比較好了。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:34.429000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:15:35.429000+08:00","text":"歲入不要減少。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:15:34.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:15.717000+08:00","text":"今年的歲出預算一共編列1,480億，一般支出454億，增加112.73億，占所有歲出的30.71%；公共建設508.68億，你們已經增列127.28億，占所有預算的34.36%；科技發展517億，占所有比率將近35%，增列大概114億。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:15.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:47.442000+08:00","text":"我現在要跟你來檢討一下，在一般支出裡面，第一個，你的報告提到撥補石油基金辦理住宅家電效率升級、家戶屋頂設置太陽光電加速計畫、科技儲能補助及商業服務業節能設備補助等，我要跟你檢討一個問題，家電補助是補助冷氣、電冰箱，對不對？","quality":0.782},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:47.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:49.425000+08:00","text":"那個是家戶，也有企業的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:50.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:16:51.668000+08:00","text":"住宅家電嗎？對。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:16:52.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:16.812000+08:00","text":"我跟你說，我看你們的預算已經編列快要一、二十年了，每一年都在編，每一年都要花費這些錢，包括冷氣、冰箱，可能也有包括電視，經過這幾十年來的發展，這個補助也應該可以結束了，因為我講真心話……","quality":0.605},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:16.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:18.794000+08:00","text":"對，家戶的部分今年是最後一年，明年就不再……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:20.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:30.020000+08:00","text":"我是要提醒你，不要幾十年來一直在補助，冷氣機的改善、冰箱的改善大概已經到了極致了。","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:30.020000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:31.020000+08:00","text":"今年是最後一年。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:30.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:17:34.763000+08:00","text":"該換的已經換的差不多，今年是最後一年，大家多買一些。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:17:36.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:00.217000+08:00","text":"再來是家戶屋頂的部分，我看到這個世界很不公平，臺北、六都的大樓林立，但是你們現在都找非六都的家戶型用電，大樓用電是最多的，結果我看大樓都沒有在做太陽能，如果大樓不做太陽能，就把它抽稅來補助其他的地方，這樣才能顯示用電公平，你不要傻傻的這樣做，遇到大樓你就不敢去要求。","quality":0.669},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:00.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:13.102000+08:00","text":"所以新的建築物只要超過1,000平方公尺的部分，就要強制性裝置太陽能。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:13.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:28.587000+08:00","text":"應該把都市那邊好好加強，那麼多的大樓，台電會很高興，家戶屋頂設施現在到底是誰在管理，石油基金是中油在管理，還是台電在管理，還是能源署？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:28.587000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:29.877500+08:00","text":"能源署。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳署長志偉","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:29.877500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:31.168000+08:00","text":"報告委員，是能源署在管理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:31.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:18:37.151000+08:00","text":"仍然在繼續推動，這一點再加強一下，我看到戰爭在打的時候，電廠也打、淡化廠也打，所以加強太陽能在戰爭的時候會發揮很大功效。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:18:37.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:02.025000+08:00","text":"再來，裡面有一個新增計畫是辦理國家藥物韌性整備計畫，這到底是要做什麼？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:02.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:05.368000+08:00","text":"這個是衛福部管的，怎麼會跑到經濟部來？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:05.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:12.775000+08:00","text":"因為它是產業端，藥廠的部分，有關於學名藥的部分，我們還是要有一些整備，為了因應……","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:14.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:24.820000+08:00","text":"是準備要戰爭，萬一戰爭來了，我看到日本都在準備戰爭來了，你跟我講老實話，是不是因為怕戰爭來的時候，所以在推動藥物韌性？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:25.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:29.061000+08:00","text":"因為藥物事實上是重中之重。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:29.061000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:30.282000+08:00","text":"我曉得。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:30.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:32.202000+08:00","text":"我們生活上的重中之重。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:32.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:36.604000+08:00","text":"那是衛福部管的，怎麼會拿到經濟部這邊來？","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:36.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:42.686000+08:00","text":"這個金額也不少，有備無患，我不會反對，我只是問你的目的在哪裡。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:43.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:46.991000+08:00","text":"就是增強我們的生產製造。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:46.991000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:49.154000+08:00","text":"這個部分是誰管理的？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:49.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:49.715000+08:00","text":"經濟部哪一個單位主管？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:51.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:53.980000+08:00","text":"應該是產業署，產業署本來就要……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:54.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:54.962000+08:00","text":"產業署。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:56.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:19:56.424000+08:00","text":"對，它是一個產業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:19:58.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:30.566000+08:00","text":"一般支出預算就這幾個項目，再來是公共建設預算，一共編列508億，占34.36%，這個比率非常高，增加了127億，我要請教水利署署長，你坐在那邊涼涼的，我一直在追問天花湖水庫你怎麼沒有編列預算，你已經跟苗栗答應下來了？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:32.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:36.747000+08:00","text":"報告委員，天花湖水庫其實我們已經送到行政院，正在審議中。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:38.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:42.529000+08:00","text":"請問經濟部長，沒有人敢做水庫，只有苗栗敢做，好不好？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:43.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:48.471000+08:00","text":"行政院也非常支持這個方案，因為計畫要先過才可以編列預算。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:48.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:20:56.094000+08:00","text":"好，部長從國發會到現在，你很會做計畫，我相信沒有問題的，我了解。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:20:57.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:03.898000+08:00","text":"剛剛提到苗栗的急降雨，我也沒有想到後龍地區淹那麼嚴重，這次很特別。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:04.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:28.440000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，我家後面在排到海的地方有一條水溝一直沒有辦法解決，沒有人要認，那條把它放大，整個排水量會出去，你們應該在海邊水尾做滯洪池，苗栗的竹南為什麼沒有淹得很厲害？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:29.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:21:31.942000+08:00","text":"因為我爭取了一個滯洪池，講真的，這次大家都稱讚我。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:21:39.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:03.223000+08:00","text":"海邊的土地非常便宜，去租、去買來做大的滯洪池，大水一來沖到那邊就把它留在那邊，就會消化得很快，這是我的經驗，在我們後龍、頭份地區，當然我曉得橋梁太低很多木頭塞住，造成這樣的影響。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:03.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:03.704000+08:00","text":"我為什麼會談這個？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:05.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:27.186000+08:00","text":"你們的新竹海水淡化和臺南海水淡化花錢像流水一樣，花的都是幾百億、幾百億，那不是長久之道，很多人跟我講這會虧損累累，但是你一直來拜託說那是乾旱期間。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:27.186000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:36.587000+08:00","text":"其實你多用滯洪池一定可以解決這些問題，我不曉得你們錢花到哪裡去，不敷成本啦！","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:36.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:41.311000+08:00","text":"所以你把效益算給我看，你們到底要怎樣賺錢？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:41.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:42.592000+08:00","text":"還是準備虧錢在等？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:43.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:22:48.876000+08:00","text":"還是當初為了做這種，有人請你們特別設計做這種，我現在非常懷疑。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:22:49.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:03.208000+08:00","text":"你看這次伊朗和以色列的戰爭，淡水廠是伊朗打以色列的第一個目標，我們都要隨時準備因應未來變化發展。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:04.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:13.289000+08:00","text":"報告委員，有關於治水在下游做滯洪池的部分，我找時間再來請委員指導方向，我們會把它納進來。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:14.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:21.232000+08:00","text":"說真的，沒水就擔心沒水，所以大水來了不要讓它流光，你們蓋了那麼多，其實那個非常重要。","quality":0.649},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:21.232000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:22.232000+08:00","text":"好，我們來了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:21.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:23.372000+08:00","text":"海邊土地又便宜，腦袋稍微換個角度思考。","quality":0.412},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:24.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:25.793000+08:00","text":"我們會再去找委員進行了解。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:31.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:44.064000+08:00","text":"你的公共建設裡面有設立一個全國循環專區試點暨新材料循環產業園區，一共60億元，這個是打算做什麼？","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:44.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:49.427000+08:00","text":"這是大林蒲遷村，高雄的大林蒲要遷村。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:53.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:23:58.912000+08:00","text":"我以為又有新的，這是大林蒲遷村要把那個地方改為這樣？對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:23:58.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:04.915000+08:00","text":"南部人有福氣了，我們北部尤其苗栗都沒有人照顧，所以我才會問這個問題。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:04.915000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:06.676000+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:06.676000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:08.437000+08:00","text":"這是真的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:08.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:20.273000+08:00","text":"還有地方創生，今年編了7,500萬元，你這個地方創生共好是要做什麼？","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:20.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:20.713000+08:00","text":"這是配合國發會。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:20.713000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:24.655000+08:00","text":"配合攤販、配合商圈？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:24.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:29.776000+08:00","text":"不是，國發會有一個地方創生的計畫，我們配合它，針對剛剛你講的這個……","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:32.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:37.262000+08:00","text":"這個我曉得，如果是配合的可以，如果真的做地方創生，太少了啦！","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:37.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:43.847000+08:00","text":"我老實講，國發會地方創生是只要你們的任務。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:43.847000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:24:44.847000+08:00","text":"我們是配合國發會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:24:43.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:25:15.590000+08:00","text":"再來，科技發展的預算編了157億元，一共增加114億元，占所有預算比率將近35%，我不反對，而且我全力支持，因為這個世界很競爭，高科技很競爭，但是一定要選對未來的項目，要有關鍵性的產業，我們才全力去發展。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:25:17.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:26:10.315000+08:00","text":"首先要請教部長，依據產業技術發展需要及投入前瞻技術應用真的很重要，我那天看了一個新聞，上一次日本來偷我們台積電的資料，它叫東京威力科創公司，這是日本的台積電，現在日本政府要做2奈米已經要投入100億美金給這家公司，你們都不敢發聲，它敢做2奈米一定有拿到我們的關鍵性技術，國家隊日本政府投資100億美金發展2奈米，而且準備很快就要量產，我以前一直跟你們講：不會啦！","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:26:11.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:26:14.660000+08:00","text":"我們台積電很穩，它的技術沒辦法超越。","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:26:15.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:26:23.449000+08:00","text":"報告委員，那是Rapidus，是日本本身的技術，應該是過去從IBM過來的技術。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:26:25.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:26:30.693000+08:00","text":"部長，世界的競爭，不然它怎麼要來這邊？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:26:30.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:26:39.076000+08:00","text":"你們不要替它抹飾，遇到日本人腳就軟了，這一下子投資100億元。","quality":0.52},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:26:39.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:26:41.497000+08:00","text":"沒有，它們有它們的發展，但是它是我們的競爭對手沒有錯。","quality":0.542},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:26:42.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:26:58.664000+08:00","text":"我覺得你們保護臺灣不是這樣保護的，愛臺灣不是這樣愛臺灣，人家的技術都是儘量不要出去，只有臺灣一直在做交流，做交流可以，但是技術要完全掌握在手裡，好不好！是的。","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:27:02.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:27:19.301000+08:00","text":"你在中小及新創的科技裡面增列了1.25億元，主要是大南方智慧雨林產業推動辦公室，我看不懂，可能我學問太差，什麼叫智慧雨林？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:27:22.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:27:24.867000+08:00","text":"而且還要大南方的智慧雨林，你跟我講清楚。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李署長冠志","start":"2026-04-22T11:27:24.867000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:27:26.269000+08:00","text":"因為相較於其他地區，在南部的一些縣市中小企業發展能力、競爭力相對薄弱一點，所以我們希望藉由提升南部地區的中小企業當作一個起頭，這些做好的結果，我們再向全國來推動。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:27:26.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:28:10.370000+08:00","text":"你說南部的中小企業比較困難，那我們在新竹、苗栗、彰化、南投的地方中小企業也比較困難，經營還比南部困難，你們現在整個都到南部去，你要不要在中部和北部中間設一個？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:28:10.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:28:15.136000+08:00","text":"你這個名字取得很好聽，叫智慧雨林，我不曉得跟雨林有什麼關係，為什麼叫智慧雨林？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"李署長冠志","start":"2026-04-22T11:28:19.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:28:27.020000+08:00","text":"智慧雨林的意思是希望我們現在要強調中小企業的數位轉型，也希望儘量不管在服務、在生產要智慧化。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:28:27.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:28:33.284000+08:00","text":"還有幾個非六都的你們要多多照顧，臺南、高雄都是六都。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:28:35.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:28:42.869000+08:00","text":"中小微多元振興方案100億元是全臺灣一起做，不會只在南部。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:28:47.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:29:28.894000+08:00","text":"升級輔導、科技專案和中小企業，這些我們都會全力支持，但是地方發展要平衡一下，我們一般性的補助款裡面，我一直強調一點，就是無自來水地區，我在擔任立法委員的期間非常注重這一塊，但是我今年看到你們編了無自來水地區供水改善計畫第五期才4.53億元，涓涓之水，那做不了什麼事情，自來水很重要，我當時都叫你們要編到50億元才能真正解決問題。","quality":0.801},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:29:29.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:29:43.065000+08:00","text":"那分成兩個部分，台水公司是延管的部分；補助無自來水地區，例如簡易自來水等等，是補助地方政府來實施。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:29:45.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:29:49.186000+08:00","text":"我還有很多地方要問，署長回答一下，我特別關注。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T11:29:50.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:29:59.548000+08:00","text":"今年是21.2億元，你剛才看到的4.53億元是我們補助地方政府簡易自來水。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:30:00.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:30:02.048000+08:00","text":"這個是補助地方政府？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:30:02.048000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:30:03.048000+08:00","text":"那你們編列多少？","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T11:30:02.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:30:02.188000+08:00","text":"21.2億元。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:30:02.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:30:03.629000+08:00","text":"這樣我勉強可以接受，好好處理這一塊。是。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:30:03.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:30:17.572000+08:00","text":"部長，這是可以得民心的一塊，現在對於自來水非常重視，謝謝。是。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2026-04-22T11:30:19.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:30:33.035000+08:00","text":"署長，這次苗栗淹水要好好解決，想一些新的辦法，你在中間截一段滯洪池、哪邊弄一個滯洪池出來，就不容易淹水了，想法要改變、要創新，謝謝。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T11:30:33.535000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:30:34.535000+08:00","text":"沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（鄭委員正鈐代）","start":"2026-04-22T11:30:34.835000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:30:36.835000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳超明委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（鄭委員正鈐代）","start":"2026-04-22T11:30:37.135000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:30:39.706429+08:00","text":"接下來請蔡易餘委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}