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人去人去我們試圖有這樣做 那現在因為大陸地區這個資安管控的問題所以我們以電話聯繫的方式 跟指紋驗證來執行所以這是剛剛主委講到基本上這些費用沒有使用啦好 OK 第二個就是"},{"start":214.858,"end":231.046,"text":"我看你們榮民榮眷的健康保險的保費是增加的,可是為什麼你們親含就學的補助費用是降低?親含的就學、子女的就學的補助是降低的?"},{"start":233.563,"end":261.261,"text":"我們在人數的部分因為有一段時間他們是會跟縣市政府的申請清涵子女補助的部分那他可以選擇跟我們申請那因為少子化的關係就慢慢減少了所以這個清涵榮民子女就學補助比去年少是因為人數變少是他可以選擇跟縣市政府或者跟我們都可以的那健保的費用為什麼會增加"},{"start":263.891,"end":282.611,"text":"建保113年建保的費用在你們報告的預算書的39頁,榮民、榮眷的建保的費用都增加延放來說一下延放為什麼增加建保是大家都增加嗎還是人數的問題"},{"start":286.226,"end":290.447,"text":"委員好 我是就醫保健處三室那增加的原因是因為就是健保在結算的時候有發現我們經過就是有些榮民有增加那個投保到六類移牧那為什麼會增加這些增加投保六類移牧的人數主要是經過我們就是本會的一個宣導讓他們做一個最適的投保有時候他們可能依附到家屬依附到他們的小孩的"},{"start":316.432,"end":318.353,"text":"當成依附的眷屬或是他們投保錯誤的第五類所以我們有這樣的一個發現你們人真好謝謝就是錢變成是你們付而不是他的家人那邊付"},{"start":332.792,"end":338.997,"text":"這個是他的權益在健保法裡面有規定,就是我們無職業的農民他的保費是由本會來支應這很好,這個政府幫忙處理,比這個子女處理可能更好接下來有一筆錢是在第67頁裡面去採購的一個叫做AI面試設備"},{"start":353.587,"end":376.754,"text":"那我的理解是讓我們的這個要轉職的農民弟兄啊他們要去面試之前有一個模擬面試的概念嘛那你們採購了20套請問這20套是一個什麼什麼概念是版權買20套還是有20套放在20台電腦還是在20個地方"},{"start":379.417,"end":397.502,"text":"委員好 我是救學監獄處處長跟您報告 我們買了這個就是AI的模擬系統我們要在全國的19個容服處跟執訓中心都有這樣子的一套系統這個系統是我們跟勞動部桃竹苗分屬授權給我們來運用但是我要透過我一個電腦的一個monitor的系統來去讓我的退出於官兵在做面試的一個模擬練習好 來"},{"start":408.465,"end":416.419,"text":"你覺得大家模擬面是還要跑去一個固定的定點嗎他不能在他家用嗎他還要跑去那裡"},{"start":417.537,"end":437.144,"text":"不是很奇怪嗎是 委員報告我們剛講因為這個是我們從事辦到今年邁入第二年因為這個是我們要結合很多的退伍官兵因為他去求職會到我們容服處來做那個職埃諮商職埃諮商的時候我們就順便要幫他去做這個面試的"},{"start":439.786,"end":445.03,"text":"這錢付給誰?這個版權費付?沒有版權問題,是他們授權給我們授權是誰授權?桃子苗分屬,勞動部,部會之間的資源鏈結所以他收這個錢基本上也沒什麼意義啊"},{"start":455.933,"end":460.035,"text":"沒有付費是買硬體的設施那你們這個東西就他讓你們的榮民在家裡就可以磨泥面絲為什麼要跑去一個地方呢根據委員報告我懂您的意思但是因為這個即便像桃子苗分屬因為我說過我們是去跟他授權獲得"},{"start":476.403,"end":499.916,"text":"他也是讓桃竹廟地區的人到他那邊去做這樣的一個模擬嘗試因為那如果說要讓每一個人都開放的話這個版權是桃竹廟分屬我們可以去跟他洽談協商包委員跟榮福住他有一個就業站我知道就業站專門介紹你成功的讓你去就業所以在家裡面可能有些榮福住有的家裡會沒有所以在榮福住是比較"},{"start":500.856,"end":528.017,"text":"比較完整啦如果是要找工作去榮福署的就業站因為他有一個完整的一套人馬在那邊這是大家就習慣會去一個點的開設是嗎是是是就業媒合就業站20套榮福署再加上我們退伍費的執行中心最後一個是在預算書41頁有關於這個偏鄉醫師留任的這個不管是獎助補助這一類這個預算跟去年的預算是一模一樣的"},{"start":529.737,"end":543.327,"text":"時代已經在變成本越來越高你們要留任偏鄉的醫師結果你們編的這個預算要鼓勵這個醫師在偏鄉留任的費用沒有增加這到底怎麼回事"},{"start":546.392,"end":575.444,"text":"這樣怎麼留任?報告委員,這個是一個衛福部的一個偏鄉留任的這個醫師的獎勵計畫所以他每年框的額度都是一樣的那我們會按照這樣的額度來看這個今年來登記的這個醫師有多少人這樣子所以我們在去年的部分我們合訂了42位那今年合訂31位那每年來報這個計畫的人數都會不一樣會有修正那你們不可以加嗎?可以加的,是只要預算有剩餘的話我們都可以在年度內再增加"},{"start":576.434,"end":593.366,"text":"不是,我是說你們不可以個人增加嗎?個人的費用這個費用是按照衛福部公道地區的醫院來給的費用那你們不能增加,退伍費自己不能加就到我這個育女農民的我就增加"},{"start":595.051,"end":614.018,"text":"是對,報告委員那個玉里跟鳳林還有新竹目前都屬於高度偏鄉的醫院,他的金額已經有調高了,按照衛福部的公告已經有調高了不是,我說衛福部公告以後你們可不可以再增加?沒有嘛報告委員,我是副主委吳志揚"},{"start":614.81,"end":643.504,"text":"那這個部分因為這個計畫是衛福部頒訂的包含這些服務資格還有訂定高度偏鄉和這個偏遠的部分一百八十萬一年跟一百二十萬一年他這個都是衛福規定如果要調可能要衛福部那邊來決定我們會向衛福部再爭取如果預算可以編不是啊衛福部訂了一個嘛那全國適用嘛沒有沒有他是全部所有的全國適用全國適用是那我們退五位自己的"},{"start":644.184,"end":672.327,"text":"不能增加是不是不能再加我們退伏費有我們自己訂的這個同籌款的部分但是因為這個部分它有條件比如說留任的部分偏向醫師留任最多只能領兩年超過以後就沒有了所以說我們每一年按照這個預估的人數編列這些預算那平均大概抓145萬一年一個醫師所以說我們這個錢大概都是固定這個我懂啦就全國都一樣嘛就是說那這是"},{"start":672.967,"end":693.719,"text":"退府會自己所屬的這些相關的醫院,我們不能再加了啊,一個月加個兩萬、三萬,這對你們來購買一點錢而已,讓更多偏鄉的願意留在我們的系統裡嗎?我們輔導會有自己的統籌款的部分,像我們心境醫師的部分,今年我們就有調整到一個醫師補助三十萬"},{"start":694.919,"end":711.147,"text":"那這個因為這個系統兩個規矩不一樣一個是衛福部訂所屬但是我們自己的醫生我們錢自己編但是我必須按照他所訂的標準來給付那我們自己統籌款的部分我們也會另頒下去給各院有個依據衛福部比較沒錢啦"},{"start":714.528,"end":742.276,"text":"阿你看你像台北榮總錢那麼多錢也是用我們自己的不是阿像台北榮總用那麼多錢那保這個育理也就是花蓮也算台北榮總管的嘛阿那要擲一把會鼓勵大家到偏鄉榮民醫院的系統裡頭去服務嘛這研究看看啦是只要衛福部不反對你們應該就可以做了衛福部能夠提高我們就跟著提高沒問題好啦謝謝謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:36:13.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:36:14.327000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，我們請主委。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:36:14.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:36:14.930000+08:00","text":"請主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:36:14.930000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:36:24.596000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:36:24.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:36:32.959000+08:00","text":"主委，退輔會的工作很辛苦，我看你們的預算很少、很少，增加的也不多。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:36:33.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:36:35.420000+08:00","text":"不過有幾個課題，要請教一下。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:36:36.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:37:06.353000+08:00","text":"第一個，在你們預算書的第144頁，有一個叫做訪查大陸地區高額遺產繼承人，就是我們的榮民死亡過後，遺產超過100萬，我們必須派人到中國去確認他的繼承人的這些狀況，我們一定要派人去，沒有別的方式可以來處理這些事情。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:37:06.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:37:19.831000+08:00","text":"同樣的，也有一些榮民後來不管是生病或什麼樣的因素，他就住在中國，我們還要派人去確認？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:37:19.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:37:38.997000+08:00","text":"我們沒有別的方法，可以確認這一位就是我們的榮民，然後他現在也許臥病在床，透過視訊，透過各式各樣的方法，總比我們還要派一個人去找到他，這些費用都不高，但是就沒有其他的方法可以處理嗎？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:37:43.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:37:52.598000+08:00","text":"委員關心現在在大陸就養的部分，115年目前是101個，人數已經減少了，當初是三百多個。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:37:54.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:07.562000+08:00","text":"113年陸委會發布橙色燈號，即大陸地區不是很安全，健康會有問題，所以我們這些人都沒有去了，就採取指紋驗證來查核。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:11.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:18.506000+08:00","text":"這些人當初都在我們榮家就養，各榮家每一季也會做一些電話的查訪……","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:18.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:20.227000+08:00","text":"你們有編要去的錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:20.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:24.489000+08:00","text":"是，這些錢都沒有用，年底都繳回。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:24.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:25.349000+08:00","text":"有編都沒用？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:25.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:33.653000+08:00","text":"原來編51萬用以去做探訪，113年開始就沒有再去了。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:33.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:34.553000+08:00","text":"就沒有再去了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:34.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:35.174000+08:00","text":"所以這個錢都繳回。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:35.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:37.155000+08:00","text":"但是預算還編在那邊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:37.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:44.319000+08:00","text":"預算編在那邊也都要繳回，因為橙色燈號如果有變化的話，還是要去；現在是橙色燈號，我們就不去。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:44.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:46.520000+08:00","text":"不去，但還是留著。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:47.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:48.741000+08:00","text":"留著到年底就會繳回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:49.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:57.346000+08:00","text":"這些錢不能讓你們在驗證的過程中，用別的方式，造成那邊的成本會增加，然後就直接把這個拿掉？","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:57.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:58.967000+08:00","text":"困難在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:38:58.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:38:59.467000+08:00","text":"我們都會繳回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:39:00.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:39:02.609000+08:00","text":"我知道，我是說編這筆的目的是什麼？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳處長相寶","start":"2026-04-22T11:39:04.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:39:12.682000+08:00","text":"委員，我是就養處業管，有關我們的訪視是很重要的一環，現在有101位在大陸……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:39:12.682000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:39:13.682000+08:00","text":"對啊，訪視……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳處長相寶","start":"2026-04-22T11:39:12.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:39:16.243000+08:00","text":"我們在108年前，有持續做這個工作。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:39:16.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:39:17.844000+08:00","text":"我知道這個透過視訊也可以嘛！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:39:17.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:39:24.808000+08:00","text":"因為榮家這些輔導的人一定認識那一位榮民老伯伯，就確定是他嘛！","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:39:26.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:39:27.450000+08:00","text":"跟他視訊一下就好啦！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳處長相寶","start":"2026-04-22T11:39:28.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:39:38.659000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們有試圖這樣做，現在因為大陸地區資安管控的問題，所以我們以電話聯繫的方式，跟指紋驗證來執行。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:39:39.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:39:44.323000+08:00","text":"所以就像剛剛主委講的，基本上這些費用沒有使用啦，OK。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:39:45.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:39:59.424000+08:00","text":"第二個，我看你們榮民榮眷健康保險的保費是增加的，為什麼清寒子女就學的補助費用是降低的？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅處長籝洋","start":"2026-04-22T11:40:05.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:40:18.131000+08:00","text":"在人數的部分，因為有一段時間，他們會跟縣市政府申請清寒子女就學補助的部分，他也可以選擇跟我們申請，加上少子化的關係，人數就慢慢減減少了。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:40:18.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:40:25.696000+08:00","text":"所以清寒榮民子女就學補助比去年少，是因為人數變少？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"羅處長籝洋","start":"2026-04-22T11:40:26.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:40:31.500000+08:00","text":"是的，因為他可以選擇跟縣政府申請或者跟我們申請，都可以的。","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:40:31.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:40:33.241000+08:00","text":"健保的費用為什麼會增加？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:40:36.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:40:47.563000+08:00","text":"健保費用在你們預算書的第39頁，榮民榮眷的健保費用都增加。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:40:52.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:40:54.611000+08:00","text":"是大家都增加，還是人數的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳參事延芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:40:58.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:40:58.246000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳參事延芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:40:58.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:40:59.686000+08:00","text":"我是就醫保健處參事，增加的原因是健保在結算的時候，發現我們投保到六類一目的榮民有增加。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳參事延芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:41:00.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:41:29.813000+08:00","text":"為什麼會增加投保六類一目的人數，主要是經本會的宣導，讓他們做最適的投保，有時候他們可能依附到家屬、依附到他們的小孩，當成依附的眷屬，或是他們投保錯誤到第五類，我們有這樣一個發現，然後就……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:41:29.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:41:29.953000+08:00","text":"你們人真好。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-04-22T11:41:29.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:41:30.333000+08:00","text":"錢變成是你們付，而不是他的家人那邊付。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳參事延芳","start":"2026-04-22T11:41:44.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:41:49.356000+08:00","text":"這個是他的權益，在健保法裡面有規定，就是我們無職業的榮民，他的保費是由本會來支應。","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