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但是都沒有說明啊都沒有說明啊 你內部都沒有說明事實上這幾家國營事業過去都有自己購買無人機的紀錄像潭水113年就買了7架那台電截至114年8月已經買了214架那本席是絕對支持喔"},{"start":288.112,"end":298.864,"text":"使用無人機來減輕第一線人員的負擔跟讓他們的工作更安全更便利這個本席都非常支持但既然這本來就是國營事業的經營成本為什麼要由經濟部來買單因為報告委員就是說經濟部主要目的是推動產業"},{"start":307.193,"end":309.095,"text":"所以你要推動的是什麼產業無人機產業所以你要買這些無人機給國營事業用這樣子來幫助無人機產業嗎因為這個無人機產業推動它我們會設計它既定的規格然後引進事業相關的規格我就想要知道說這個預算書真的編得很粗糙"},{"start":330.572,"end":334.714,"text":"我翻遍預算書完全看不出來第一要買幾架第二要什麼規格以後具體要做什麼然後整個說明竟然只有寫依據無人機載具產業發展統籌型計畫然後辦理相關的採購具體的採購明細資質未提部長無人機的用途不一樣規格跟價格落差是很大的便宜的一萬多塊就有了然後貴的到幾十萬都有編了一億多的預算"},{"start":360.307,"end":380.778,"text":"您打算怎麼買所以我們事實上是有一個完整的計畫然後都沒有提供給我們對我們可以那個費用在那個完整的提供給我們我是建議部長說其實我們是很看重經濟部的預算我們也希望盡速的把它審查完成但是不能因為我們願意盡速你們就"},{"start":382.138,"end":388.686,"text":"隨便 然後就是很粗糙的去處理因為我舉例來說 一億多欸如果買一台一萬的 你可以買一萬多台一台五十萬的你只能買兩百台那到底是要買幾台 要買什麼規格"},{"start":398.617,"end":416.492,"text":"幾價的部分事實上都已經規劃出來了啦是啊 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這就是我想講的你這14.13億喔"},{"start":509.305,"end":516.833,"text":"裡面投資股息紅利減少就佔了13.58億主要是中鋼還有漢翔還有台岩還有螳螂還有台船還有可威環境所以這六家"},{"start":531.863,"end":548.797,"text":"基本上已經連續這個股息已經連續4年都下降了今年跟4年前比更是直接腰斬部長這造成國庫收入大減經濟部投資管理是出了什麼問題這個是拿人民的納稅錢去投資難道不是應該更謹慎嗎因為中鋼的部分我想過去幾年因為國際的鋼"},{"start":558.005,"end":574.118,"text":"鋼鐵市場事實上市況不好因為有比較中國因為大量的這個出口我沒有針對任何一個公司我沒有針對任何一個你們現在投資的公司我只是希望說我們經濟部要投資可能也有一些是"},{"start":575.399,"end":598.684,"text":"政策性的關係也有要輔導性的關係但是呢我還是希望說就好像國發基金他也會在可能這個目標達成之後他會重新盤點嘛那我也是希望經濟部也要做對內的這些投資的盤點不能夠說就任他每年每年不斷的虧損該盤點的時候該調整這個這個"},{"start":604.185,"end":607.906,"text":"投資的比例的時候 他還是賺錢啦只是繳額比較少啦比往年少啦那我沒有每一家都賺錢 唐榮 台船可威都已經連續虧損兩年了是不是 我有沒有認證"},{"start":624.876,"end":639.802,"text":"因為台船他做了這個所以我就跟部長講我沒有針對任何一家公司就是希望針對你們部本部的這個稅入然後這個投資效益你們可以做一個內部的盤點然後能夠對於你們的這個我們納稅人的這些繳的稅呢可以更審慎的對待好不好好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:43:38.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:43:40.666000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我想請龔部長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:43:40.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:43:40.826000+08:00","text":"請龔部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:43:40.826000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:43:45.003500+08:00","text":"張委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:43:45.003500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:43:49.181000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:43:49.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:43:56.069000+08:00","text":"現在已經是4月中下旬，再過兩週就是5月了，部長，您知道我為什麼要特別提這個時間嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:43:59.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:44:01.925000+08:00","text":"5月，汛期來是吧？還是……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:44:02.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:44:02.945000+08:00","text":"報稅季又快來了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:44:02.945000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:44:04.246000+08:00","text":"報稅，5月。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:44:04.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:44:10.592000+08:00","text":"每年的5月是我國綜合所得稅跟營利事業所得稅申報的時間。是的。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:44:10.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:44:47.378000+08:00","text":"對於民眾還有中小企業來說，繳稅本來就是一個比較沉重的支出，今年的情況更是嚴峻，一方面因為美國關稅政策搖擺不定，當然國內出口產業大家都人心惶惶，另外一方面因為美伊局勢導致國際油價、物價都同步飆漲，在這個時程報稅等於是對產業造成很沉重的負擔，面對這樣的情況，不曉得部長有沒有掌握？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:44:49.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:44:52.267000+08:00","text":"去年好像財政部有延1個月。是。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:44:53.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:44:54.908000+08:00","text":"今年還沒有這樣講。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:44:54.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:45:33.997000+08:00","text":"因為整個產業都是在你的領導之下，過去在疫情期間，其實政府都有主動延長報稅的期限，讓產業有緩衝的時間來調整資金，包括去年面對美國關稅的衝擊，政府也採取了相對應比較彈性的措施，我想要請問部長，今年的國際情勢看起來比去年還要嚴峻，我們產業面臨的困難這麼多，是不是有可能經濟部可以跟財政部溝通一下，能夠有一個彈性的作為？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:45:35.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:45:40.104000+08:00","text":"我們來轉達委員的提案，因為委員代表民意嘛！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:45:40.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:45:45.309000+08:00","text":"至少是有民意代表，我們來轉達說有民意代表提出這樣的訴求，請財政部來考量。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:45:45.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:46:23.643000+08:00","text":"是，我相信部長的建議財政部一定會非常重視，因為非常多中小企業也是面臨這個窘境，所以本席建議可以比照去年跟疫情期間的彈性模式，將今年的報稅截止期限由5月31日延後至6月30日，1個月的緩衝期對於中小企業的資金調度來說，我想是一場救命的及時雨，特別拜託部長可以儘快地跟財政部來溝通，然後苦民所苦。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:46:24.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:46:25.685000+08:00","text":"我們來轉達。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:46:27.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:46:28.267000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:46:28.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:00.116000+08:00","text":"再來，我想跟部長討論的是經濟部的單位預算，本席注意到經濟部的單位預算在營業基金之下編列了1億1,880萬元，計畫透過用國庫增資的方式撥款給所屬的台糖、中油、台電、台水4家國營企業來採購無人機，我想請問部長，這一筆經費編在經濟部單位預算的必要性是什麼？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:00.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:09.343000+08:00","text":"因為經濟部是整個無人機產業統籌計畫的主政機關，所以是編在我們部會之下。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:10.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:12.306000+08:00","text":"這幾個國營事業的規模都不小耶！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:12.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:15.208000+08:00","text":"甚至非常大，難道不能用自己的經費購買嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:17.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:17.450000+08:00","text":"為什麼要編在你這裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:17.450000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:18.450000+08:00","text":"因為統籌型計畫它有無人機相關的規格、設定等等的一些計畫。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:17.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:19.132000+08:00","text":"而且無人機的用途都是屬於國營事業正常營運範疇之內，為什麼預算要編在經濟部？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:35.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:41.534000+08:00","text":"因為它在規格上有一些共同的設定。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:41.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:49.039000+08:00","text":"就是部長所說的，可是你整個預算書裡面也沒有寫它買了要做什麼……","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:49.039000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:50.039000+08:00","text":"它主要是巡檢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:49.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:49.800000+08:00","text":"你就只有說「統籌型計畫，採購無人機」，就這樣子，然後……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:50.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:56.497000+08:00","text":"因為它主要是在巡檢使用，大部分是在巡檢使用。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:56.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:58.779000+08:00","text":"但是都沒有說明啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:47:58.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:47:59.840000+08:00","text":"你內部都沒有說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:00.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:26.003000+08:00","text":"事實上這幾家國營事業過去都有自己購買無人機的紀錄，像台水113年就買了7架，台電截至114年8月已經買了214架，本席是絕對支持使用無人機來減輕第一線人員的負擔，讓他們的工作更安全、更便利，這個本席都非常支持，但既然這本來就是國營事業的經營成本，為什麼要由經濟部來買單？","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:26.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:26.864000+08:00","text":"報告委員，經濟部主要目的是推動產業，然後推動產業以後它有……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:35.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:35.714000+08:00","text":"所以你要推動的是什麼產業？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:35.714000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:36.714000+08:00","text":"無人機產業。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:35.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:36.094000+08:00","text":"你要推動無人機產業，所以你要買這些無人機給國營事業用？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:36.094000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:37.094000+08:00","text":"對，那當然就是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:36.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:36.194000+08:00","text":"這樣子來幫助無人機產業嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:36.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:36.754000+08:00","text":"因為無人機產業推動我們會設計它既定的規格，然後引進一些相關的……","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:36.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:37.075000+08:00","text":"是，你講到規格，我就想要知道，因為這個預算書真的編得很粗糙耶！","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:58.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:59.072000+08:00","text":"我翻遍預算書完全看不出來，第一，要買幾架？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:59.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:59.272000+08:00","text":"第二，要什麼規格？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:59.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:59.453000+08:00","text":"以後具體要做什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:59.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:00.453000+08:00","text":"然後整個說明竟然只有寫依據無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫辦理相關的採購，具體的採購明細隻字未提。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:00.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:29.668000+08:00","text":"部長，無人機的用途不一樣，規格跟價格的落差是很大的，便宜的一萬多塊就有了，然後貴的到幾十萬都有，編了一億多的預算，您打算怎麼買？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:29.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:32.169000+08:00","text":"所以我們事實上是有一個完整的計畫，只是說因為……","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:32.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:34.630000+08:00","text":"然後都沒有提供給我們。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:34.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:38.452000+08:00","text":"對，我們會後再完整地提供給委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:38.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:50.138000+08:00","text":"是，我是建議部長，其實我們是很看重經濟部的預算，我們也希望儘速地把它審查完成，但是不能因為我們願意儘速，你們就隨便……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:50.138000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:51.138000+08:00","text":"沒有隨便啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:51.138000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:52.138000+08:00","text":"因為那個資料實在是太多了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:50.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:53.963000+08:00","text":"然後就很粗糙地去處理，因為我舉例來說，一億多耶！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:54.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:55.965000+08:00","text":"如果買1臺1萬的，你可以買一萬多臺；買1臺50萬的，你只能買200臺，那到底是要買幾臺？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:56.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:56.666000+08:00","text":"要買什麼規格？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:50:06.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:50:08.979000+08:00","text":"幾架的部分事實上都已經規劃出來了，我有看到那個資料。是啊！","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:50:09.1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1:52:57.294000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:58.294000+08:00","text":"對，那漢翔……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:57.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:16.382000+08:00","text":"我只是希望我們經濟部要投資，可能也有一些是政策性的關係，也有輔導性的關係，不過就好像國發基金，它可能策略目標達成之後，它會重新盤點嘛！","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:17.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:33.586000+08:00","text":"我希望經濟部也要對內做這些投資的盤點，不能夠任它每年、每年不斷地虧損，該盤點的時候、該調整投資比例的時候……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:33.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:33.946000+08:00","text":"其實它還是賺錢啦！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:33.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:34.126000+08:00","text":"只是繳得比較少，比往年少。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:34.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:35.106000+08:00","text":"沒有每一家都賺錢，唐榮、台船、可威都已經連續虧損兩年了。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:35.106000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:36.106000+08:00","text":"對，台船是虧損沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:35.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:35.426000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:35.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:35.906000+08:00","text":"我有沒有認真？是。對啊！","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:35.906000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:55.657000+08:00","text":"因為台船它有一些船艦是賠錢。","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:55.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:07.782000+08:00","text":"所以我就跟部長講，我沒有針對任何一家公司，你沒問我也沒有要唸出來，就是希望針對你們部本部的歲入，這個投資效益你們可以做一個內部的盤點，然後對於我們納稅人繳的稅可以更審慎地對待，好不好？好。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:07.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:07.802000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:08.302000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:10.302000+08:00","text":"謝謝張嘉郡委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:10.602000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:13.744857+08:00","text":"接下來請賴士葆委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}