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那所以這個運動場館應該都要全面的來做有相關的指引才對因為這個不然就只有在通道上面做降溫可是事實上大家會實際停留的特別是額上會實際停留的這個長時間的場館都沒有相關的遮影"},{"start":292.393,"end":313.54,"text":"所以這個部分預計也是會做一些調整嘛對不對針對遮蔭的部分那這個部分的話進度呢因為之前是回覆說會在下一期的國家調適行動方案那這個也是同一個時間表嗎對現在就是六月底我們希望有一個初稿出來所以這同一個時間表就對了對會提出來跟大家來做這個座談"},{"start":314.704,"end":338.144,"text":"好那我希望就是說因為我們在遮蔭的上面要包含到它的遮蔭率材料規範地表溫度上限等等讓地方可以更清楚的有一個依據可以依循可以嗎可以這個就公園綠地法這個我們目前的確有朝這方向來規劃OK好那我們就六月份再來做一下進度謝謝謝謝張雅琳委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:23.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:51:24.511000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:24.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:51:24.731000+08:00","text":"有請彭部長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:25.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:51:25.313000+08:00","text":"張委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:30.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:51:30.621000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:31.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:51:38.444000+08:00","text":"今天最主要是向部長追一下我們的進度，但我的簡報似乎還沒有出來。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:38.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:51:50.928000+08:00","text":"早上與我們的民間團體及兒少團體一起召開記者會，關注我們的高溫治理政策到底有沒有確實將兒少放進去？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:52.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:06.115000+08:00","text":"去年我就針對兒少的熱傷害提出過質詢，每一年的人數其實都在增加，今天國健署也有出席，我想這都是非常明確的狀態。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:07.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:26.369000+08:00","text":"我們希望能有更明確的年齡別風險分級及行動建議，針對遮蔭、地表有一個一致的標準，保護我們的兒少在戶外活動時免於熱傷害的風險。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:29.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:54.849000+08:00","text":"當時環境部表示會參照全球調適的指標架構，跨部會研議本土化的調適指標，評估納入下一期的國家氣候變遷調適行動計畫，也承諾115年上半年跨部會研議兒少高溫調適因應作為指引，並成立抗高溫調適對策聯盟，這是目前我們所知道的進度。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:55.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:00.560000+08:00","text":"因此，我想知道目前的進度狀態到底是怎麼樣？","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:00.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:01.883000+08:00","text":"是還在研議中嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:01.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:02.344000+08:00","text":"大概什麼時候會出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:02.344000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:05.331000+08:00","text":"請署長來說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡署長玲儀","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:05.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:30.466000+08:00","text":"報告委員，現在確實還在研議當中，我們在3月曾與各部會討論，下一期調適計畫必須要對標全球調適指標及高溫議題，現在各部會也正在研議，下個禮拜我們會再與各部會針對目前的進度做一些彙整與更新。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:31.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:39.109000+08:00","text":"關於這個因應的指引及目標，原本是說上半年要提出，現在也已經快到5月了，上半年其實只剩下1個月，目前的進度到底什麼時候會提出來？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"蔡署長玲儀","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:39.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:06.016000+08:00","text":"我們目前的規劃是在6月底，每一個調適領域都要有一個初稿出來，因為大家現在都在編纂這個調適領域的行動方案，我們希望把高溫的部分，尤其是各階層關心與兒少相關的議題都能夠放進去，但是一定要有一個檢核表與一個目標的設定，所以現在正在討論的是這個部分。","quality":0.858},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:06.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:15.878000+08:00","text":"我想問一下，現在美國、澳洲及日本都有針對不同的年紀做了分級、所以你們的目標是朝這個方向前進嗎？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:17.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:30.587000+08:00","text":"報告委員，第一個，像是你關心的公園及學校有許多小朋友使用的器具都很燙，未來我們期待要有一個指引規定必須要有什麼樣的遮蔭方案。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:31.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:48.158000+08:00","text":"在近期總統府對策委員會要求我們植樹、種樹的規劃中，也要求校園的林木及小朋友從學校出來到住家附近的樹蔭都要顯著的增加，其實就是呼應委員這樣的一個做法。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:48.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:54.541000+08:00","text":"但是，我覺得除了這些地方之外，還有遊戲場及運動場。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:56.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:55:00.323000+08:00","text":"我先問一下，部長，大安森林公園有很多樹，對不對？是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:55:02.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:55:10.068000+08:00","text":"這邊相對於都市而言，它能做到調節的作用，就會比較涼爽，但是你知道大安森林公園裡最熱的地方在哪裡嗎？","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-22T11:55:10.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:55:11.569000+08:00","text":"沙灘，中間小朋友遊戲區的那個地方。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:55:11.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:55:15.731000+08:00","text":"遊戲區是整個公園最高溫的地方。對。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-04-22T11:55:15.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:55:19.374000+08:00","text":"而且這個溫度並沒有低於市區的平均溫度。是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