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吉昌通則所以本期今天才會拋出來這個議題"},{"start":423.397,"end":444.18,"text":"過去丹江大橋還沒有要通車前本行沒有冒然拋出是因為我也認為是說交通的一個部分要考量但現在既然已經有但海新市政這邊也會預留醫療專區那剛剛院長也講了一個白話就說只要主管支持 主委支持 長官支持他們可不可以來做評估主委 能不能"},{"start":444.921,"end":457.92,"text":"也針對這個部分我會請衛福部請地方政府提出需求但是如果說有希望能夠退府會籠總體系一起來討論的時候能不能也一起以一個開放的心胸共同來討論"},{"start":464.447,"end":477.415,"text":"有足夠的人力,我們都願意幫助我們新北市的民眾,都非常的樂意我們還是往一個開放的方向,用做可行性評估的方向我們來做推動,這樣可以嗎?"},{"start":478.436,"end":507.098,"text":"好 我會請新北市政府因為這還是地方政府這邊也要開出他們的一個需求那未來也會找不管是我們退府會 不管是衛福部我們共同來討論但是希望是我們是一個比較open的方式來去做討論那如果可以真的落腳在淡海新市政這真的也是造福不管是一般的民眾或造福我們的退役官兵等等這樣可以嗎謝謝主委 謝謝委員好 感謝 謝謝委員"},{"start":509.718,"end":510.469,"text":"謝謝訪問"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:53.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:48:55.650000+08:00","text":"好，主席謝謝，麻煩請嚴主委。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:48:56.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:02.433000+08:00","text":"麻煩請主委，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:02.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:02.673000+08:00","text":"洪委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:03.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:03.334000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:03.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:04.234000+08:00","text":"把握時間。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:04.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:19.281000+08:00","text":"我想本席跟召委或是我們相關委員也都很關心，就是退輔會照顧榮民人數現在有到三十萬左右，其中第二類的退除役官兵是五萬五千多名。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:19.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:19.661000+08:00","text":"第二類。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:21.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:41.503000+08:00","text":"這第二類就是輔導期限內的退除役官兵，其實最重要的是，像美國，很多的企業他們都希望用軍校出生的人才，因為他們認為軍校出生的人才是有紀律、執行力，而且刻苦耐勞。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:42.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:49:51.934000+08:00","text":"一樣的，現在臺灣缺工的狀況，我們也希望年輕的退除役官兵可以投入職場，能夠有更好的運用。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:49:52.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:50:02.905000+08:00","text":"我看到開宗明義也講到，重點是精進AI、培育人才等等，這個方向我都支持，我沒有意見，因為現在產業也需要人才。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:50:03.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:50:17.321000+08:00","text":"但重點在於我們現在有沒有掌握第二類退除役官兵的媒合人次，與他退伍之後的穩定就業率以及他分布的產業狀況，到底我們有沒有這樣的一個……","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:50:17.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:50:17.442000+08:00","text":"是，報告委員，我們請就業處處長來說明。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:50:17.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:50:17.842000+08:00","text":"來，簡單說明一下好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭：委員好。我是就學就業處處長，跟您簡要的回應","start":"2026-04-22T11:50:24.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:50:45.691000+08:00","text":"第一個，第二類官兵因為他的平均退伍年齡是27歲左右，所以他最需要的就是我們就學職訓、就業的輔導，因為我們要讓他重新回到社會職場，因此在我們的調查裡面，本會每一年要輔導一萬人左右，會重新回到民間職場。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭：委員好。我是就學就業處處長，跟您簡要的回應","start":"2026-04-22T11:50:45.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:50:51.133000+08:00","text":"在第二類官兵裡面，原則上就有將近六成都是第二類官兵。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭：委員好。我是就學就業處處長，跟您簡要的回應","start":"2026-04-22T11:50:51.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:50:53.033000+08:00","text":"因此我們的培訓上面就聚焦到結合現在年輕人這一群人最適應的產業，配合國家的產業政策跟他們的需求。","quality":1},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭：委員好。我是就學就業處處長，跟您簡要的回應","start":"2026-04-22T11:50:53.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:50:53.994000+08:00","text":"還有我們看到產業上面有很多缺工的地方，我們就這個方面來導入AI科技業。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭：委員好。我是就學就業處處長，跟您簡要的回應","start":"2026-04-22T11:50:54.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:51:23.167000+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況之下，第二類官兵確實每一年在運用，甚至於在領我們的促進穩定就業津貼也是非常多數的，以上。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:24.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:51:28.330000+08:00","text":"處長，你講那麼多，沒有聽清楚本席的問題然後回答啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:30.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:51:51.303000+08:00","text":"處長，今天我們在共同討論，就是我開宗明義講了，你的方向沒有問題，但我現在要問的是，就像很多的大專院校，我相信應該都會有這個社會現象，就像大專院校也會去詢問畢業生未來在3年內、5年內投入什麼樣的職場，他的職場分布如何以及他的平均薪資是什麼？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:52.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:51:52.644000+08:00","text":"這才是重點嘛！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:51:53.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:14.380000+08:00","text":"如果你能夠落實知道我們退除役官兵，年輕的這些朋友後續的就業是不是有跟我們現在推動的方向一致，我們不能一直講AI、AI、AI，結果到最後……因為本席也確實跟民間有很多的接觸，我們很多退除役官兵可能去擔任保全業，可能去擔任這一些相關的物業等等。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:14.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:18.282000+08:00","text":"我覺得這也很好，職業沒有高低，但我們現在的方向呢？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:18.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:27.868000+08:00","text":"所以本席現在才想請教，就是我們有沒有針對第二類的退除役官兵的平均薪資或者是產業分布，我們去做一個掌握？有。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:29.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:38.513000+08:00","text":"因為今天是談年度預算，因此本席要的是你有這樣的資料，往這樣的方向，代表我們現在走的路是正確的，加強處理、加強運用，請簡單回答。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:38.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:55.247000+08:00","text":"好，跟委員報告，我們現在輔導退除役官兵再就業，回到職場的平均薪資，據我們的資料調查都是在三萬五以上，至少有三萬五以上。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:55.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:55.747000+08:00","text":"平均都有？有。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:57.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:52:58.168000+08:00","text":"那產業最主要大家……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭","start":"2026-04-22T11:52:58.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:04.310000+08:00","text":"產業大部分還是以製造業、批發零售業、資源服務業為主。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:10.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:12.457000+08:00","text":"好，分布的比例這個再請給本席一個資料。是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:12.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:20.299000+08:00","text":"既然已經有，就請在今天下班前或是3天內給本席相關的資料，我們再來做一個追蹤。是，好。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:20.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:31.583000+08:00","text":"因為數據才會說話，數據才能看出我們這樣子的政策是不是延續，如果數據是往好的方向走，當然合理的預算能支持我們一定大力支持，好不好？是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:31.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:37.005000+08:00","text":"主委，再另外一個部分，所以請3天內給本席相關資料好不好？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"池處長玉蘭","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:37.005000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:38.005000+08:00","text":"是，沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:37.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:53:58.598000+08:00","text":"主委，兩分鐘時間，我也再另外為我們北海岸的鄉親請命，因為我知道我們臺北榮總、榮總體系其實醫院辦理得非常好，確實也讓很多的北部地區，其實不只北部地區，因為現在臺北榮總的分院很多，剛算了一下應該有7、8個分院，對不對？7個。","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:53:58.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:02.481000+08:00","text":"那也遍布到花東地區，宜蘭、花蓮等部分。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:03.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:17.740000+08:00","text":"現在我們也提到，就是說我們的北海岸淡海新市鎮，這個我也跟衛福部提過，因為現在北海岸淡海新市鎮有新市鎮的開發，很多退役官兵也選擇在我們淡水落腳居住。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:18.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:36.926000+08:00","text":"還有就是那邊的醫療需求也有需要，很多人就在講，其實住在淡水地區的人也都會到石牌榮總就醫，因為我們現在要爭取在那邊有醫療專區，那有沒有機會我們這邊也能夠來評估看看，是不是有設分院的可能性？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"陳院長威明","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:37.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:54:49.293000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝黃委員，現在北海岸一帶就是臺大金山醫院跟淡水馬偕在主要支撐，但是很多人信任北榮，都到北榮來就醫，因為捷運就直接到石牌站。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"陳院長威明","start":"2026-04-22T11:54:50.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:55:02.097000+08:00","text":"如果是有量能，長官希望我們做，那我們會評估自己有沒有這個能力，因為現在醫療的人力非常的缺乏。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:55:02.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:55:11.766000+08:00","text":"確實，其實我們民意代表非常清楚，站在第一線的醫護人員等等，我們能夠給予支持的一定大力支持。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:55:12.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:55:20.574000+08:00","text":"現在有很多其實是有病房但沒人力，沒有辦法接收急診轉病房等等，我們也都理解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:55:21.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:55:48.793000+08:00","text":"但本席現在講的是，如果一個醫院沒有譬如24小時急診的需求，但是能夠有分院、門診中心等等，對於一般來講的醫療，其實他也是分流的一個狀況，就如同您剛剛有提到，淡海新市鎮其實不只是淡水，包括三芝、石門、北海岸，因為臺大的金山分院其實比較服務的是右半邊，包括貢寮、瑞芳、雙溪、平溪等等。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:55:49.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:55:54.656000+08:00","text":"但包括淡水、八里，尤其淡江大橋即將通車，所以本席今天才會拋出這個議題。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:55:56.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:56:15.679000+08:00","text":"過去淡江大橋還沒有通車前，本席沒有貿然拋出，是因為我也認為交通的部分要考量，但現在既然已經有，淡海新市鎮這邊也會預留醫療專區，剛剛院長也講了一個白話，就是說只要主管支持、主委支持、長官支持，他們可以來做評估。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:56:16.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:56:30.920000+08:00","text":"主委能不能也針對這個部分，我會請衛福部，請地方政府提出需求，但是如果有希望能夠退輔會、榮總體系一起來討論的時候，能不能也一起以一個開放的心胸共同來討論？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:56:30.920000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:56:34.183500+08:00","text":"北榮若能配合，我一定支持。什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:56:34.183500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:56:37.447000+08:00","text":"我支持北榮，北榮若能配合，我絕對支持。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳院長威明","start":"2026-04-22T11:56:37.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:56:44.011000+08:00","text":"有足夠的人力，我們都願意幫助新北市的民眾，我們都非常的樂意。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:56:44.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:56:50.415000+08:00","text":"這樣我們還是往一個開放的方向，用做可行性評估的方向，我們來推動，這樣可以嗎？是。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:56:51.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:57:02.004000+08:00","text":"好，我會請新北市政府，因為這還是地方政府這邊也要開出他們的需求，未來也會找不管是退輔會，不管是衛福部，我們共同來討論。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:57:02.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:57:17.416000+08:00","text":"但希望我們是以一個比較open的方式來討論，如果可以真的落腳在淡海新市鎮，這真的也是造福，一般的民眾、造福我們的退役官兵等等，這樣可以嗎？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"陳院長威明","start":"2026-04-22T11:57:17.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:57:17.536000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"嚴主任委員德發","start":"2026-04-22T11:57:18.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:57:19.157000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-22T11:57:19.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:57:20.078000+08:00","text":"好，感謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:57:20.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T11:57:20.098000+08:00","text":"謝謝洪孟楷委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:57:20.598000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:57:27.740857+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請鍾佳濱委員，鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T11:57:28.040857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T11:57:29.755143+08:00","text":"請葉元之委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}