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也是三個人只有我們這個海巡署是兩個人只有個人是支持這次的修法把這個我們兩個"},{"start":269.521,"end":286.62,"text":"我看人總全序部的這些報告他們也都支持我要了解的是說我們過去原本我們現在的兩個副署長就我剛剛所講這麼多的業務現在就兩個副署長他們有沒有督導上面的分工"},{"start":287.267,"end":315.761,"text":"我們督導的主要分工是根據他們的這個屬性像我們的許副署長他就負責企劃、督查、巡防、情報、後勤、通知跟特別行動中心的部分另外一個副署長是督查另外一個副署長是主要負責是巡防、通知、秘書、國會、人事跟這個特勤中心的部分那因為他們根據各的專長不同所以有負責任務但是他們在彼此之間又互相重疊"},{"start":317.262,"end":331.04,"text":"這個業務上不是按照不同的區域或不同的任務型態我們是按照任務的內容去區分任務內容去處理那未來如果在徵社會副署長我們大概會怎麼樣的分析"},{"start":333.902,"end":354.334,"text":"未來新的副署長的時候我們也是一樣會按照他的專長部分譬如我們針水進來他是具有高度的軍事背景的那我們就讓他去管平站轉換平站座位跟國防部對接的部分這個部分另外一部分我們的組織法的設計就是這個副署長的部分是軍警文並用也就是他的身份是可以進用的"},{"start":354.974,"end":376.96,"text":"我們海巡署最大的特色就是軍警穩並用是一個軍警穩並用的機關我等一下會跟你討論那我個人是希望就是說你們其實其實我們海巡署的業務這麼樣的繁雜我們其實除了我們剛剛講的說這個按照不同任務型態下去分工之外我個人也認為說應該針對不同各種不同的業務"},{"start":378.2,"end":401.758,"text":"你們也應該要讓副處長下去分工督導所以我想今天我看除了我們行政院版本以外其他有八個委員的提案這很難得的在一個法案上面所有包括我們院版包括所有八個委員提案全部都一模一樣一字不差"},{"start":402.638,"end":431.328,"text":"全部一模一樣一致不差所以我想這個表示說事實上本院大家所有委員對我們海巡署這個偵測一位副署長是有極高度的共識那最後一點點時間我就說這個我們重視這個副署長這個我們需求需要那我想本院委員大家也都支持我們全區的部委支持我們人總委支持但是我們的這個基層人力海巡署的基層人力"},{"start":432.248,"end":456.99,"text":"現在實在是大有問題大有問題我看我們的這個海巡署我們的這個預算員額我這邊有一個表預算員額逐年增加從108年一直到114年到去年7月來計算我們預算員額是每年都增加但是我們的缺額人數缺額人數也是每年增加"},{"start":458.137,"end":463.228,"text":"增加比例到現在缺額 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謝謝委員好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:25:40.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:25:42.379000+08:00","text":"主席，我們請張副主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:25:44.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:25:45.203000+08:00","text":"請張副主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:25:47.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:25:48.106000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:25:48.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:05.478000+08:00","text":"副主委，進入今天法案的討論之前，我先問一個問題，有關於昨天上午好像在金門海域又有中國的海警船集結的狀況，這件事情是不是請副主委說明一下？","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:05.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:18.946000+08:00","text":"這邊特別跟委員報告，中國海警常態性襲擾金門跟馬祖地區，它是常態性的，現在大概每一個月會有四次，在金門地區會進到我們的限制水域，但是……進入？","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:19.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:20.908000+08:00","text":"不只是靠近，而是進入我們的……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:21.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:32.059000+08:00","text":"進入，然後偵蒐到以後，我們會用我們的艦船艇去做預先的預置，然後把船驅離到我們的水域外面。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:32.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:37.985000+08:00","text":"它進入我們金門的限制水域，昨天的狀況好像不只海警船，還有中國海事局的船隻。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:39.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:40.738000+08:00","text":"有一艘是海事局，但是它的時間很短。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:40.738000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:42.378000+08:00","text":"時間很短。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:42.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:26:42.518000+08:00","text":"航經時間很短。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:26:43.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:27:18.727000+08:00","text":"這個部分，我想剛剛副主委也有講到，中國這些公務船隻，他們現在是常態性以執法的名義進入我們的限制水域，這個已經不是所謂的灰色地帶了，這個已經是對我們主權的侵犯，它對外釋放這樣不實的訊息，讓我們海域的管轄權力受到侵蝕，這部分我想海巡署要有一個全套的因應處置方式。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:27:21.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:27:40.467000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們本來就有一套、全套的SOP，另外一部分，針對他們襲擾的部分，我們會整個全程錄影蒐證，然後對國外媒體發聲，也就是告訴其他國家、我們的友盟，中國大陸如何使用灰色地帶的手段，侵擾我們的金門及馬祖地區。","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:27:40.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:28:04.999000+08:00","text":"好，接下來進入今天的法案、今天這個修正案，第十一條是有關施行日期，我們就是要討論這兩條，主要是有關於海委會組織法的第三條，第三條其實就是修改一個字而已，就是副署長從兩人，我們希望增設到三人。是。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:28:06.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:28:14.596000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，這些提案委員，包括我個人在內，我想我們都會支持這個法案。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:28:14.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:28:14.736000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:28:16.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:28:44.838000+08:00","text":"因為海巡署的業務實在是龐大而且多元，剛剛副署長在報告時也有講到你們主要的三大任務，國安、治安跟平安，就是海域國家安全的防護，海上治安以及……所謂平安就是包括我們的護漁……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:28:44.838000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:28:45.838000+08:00","text":"犯罪偵查。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:28:44.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:28:46.580000+08:00","text":"跟海上救難。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:28:48.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:28:56.772000+08:00","text":"除了這個以外，你們其實還有其他的業務啦，其他牽涉到海洋污染防治也是你們的業務啦。是。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:28:57.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:29:01.958000+08:00","text":"海洋生態保育也是你們的業務，海上廢棄物的管理也是你們的業務啦。是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:29:05.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:29:08.264000+08:00","text":"這些整個統整歸屬海上環保的也是你們的業務。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:29:08.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:29:15.950000+08:00","text":"另外，還有一個部分是海上產業，海洋產業，我國海洋產業的發展也是你們的業務，對不對？是。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:29:16.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:29:30.548000+08:00","text":"所以除了你剛剛講的治安、國安、平安之外，包括這些相關的海上環保業務，包括海洋產業，所以海巡署的業務量實在是非常大啦。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:29:33.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:29:46.925000+08:00","text":"過去我們所有的三級機關，我看行政院三級機關的副署長大概都是……警政署也是三個人，調查局也是三個人，水利署也是三個人，只有海巡署是……","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:29:47.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:29:48.647000+08:00","text":"還有全動署也是三位。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:29:49.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:30:04.506000+08:00","text":"對，也是三個人，只有海巡署是兩個人，所以我個人是支持這一次的修法，把兩位副署長增加為三位，我看其他單位，如人總及銓敘部的報告，他們也都支持啦。","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:30:07.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:30:16.600000+08:00","text":"不過我要了解的是，原本現在的兩個副署長，就我剛剛所講這麼多的業務，現在就只有兩個副署長，他們有沒有督導上面的分工？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:30:17.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:30:47.262000+08:00","text":"我們督導的主要分工是根據他們的屬性，像我們的許副署長，他就負責企劃、督察、巡防、情報、後勤、通資跟特別行動中心的部分，另外一個副署長主要是負責巡防、通資、秘書、國會、人事跟特勤中心的部分，因為他們是根據各個專長的不同，所以各有負責的業務，但是他們彼此之間又互相重疊，所以這個業務上……","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:30:48.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:30:53.610000+08:00","text":"你們不是按照譬如說不同的區域或者不同的任務型態？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:30:53.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:30:55.773000+08:00","text":"我們是按照任務的內容去區分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:30:55.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:30:57.135000+08:00","text":"任務內容去處理啦。是。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:30:57.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:31:00.800000+08:00","text":"未來如果再增設一個副署長，你們大概會怎麼樣分工？","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:31:03.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:31:24.314000+08:00","text":"未來增設這個新的副署長之後，我們也是一樣會按照他的專長，譬如我們徵選進來的如果是具有高度軍事背景的，我們就讓他去管平戰轉換，平戰作業跟國防部對接的部分；另外一個部分，我們組織法的設計，這一個副署長是軍警文併用，也就是他的身分是都可以進用的。","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:31:25.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:31:32.476000+08:00","text":"海巡署最大的特色就是軍警文併用，是一個軍警文併用的機關，我等一下會跟你討論。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:31:32.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:31:56.246000+08:00","text":"我個人是希望，其實海巡署的業務這麼樣的繁雜，除了我們剛剛講的，按照不同任務型態下去分工之外，我個人也認為應該針對各種不同的業務，你們也應該要讓這個副署長下去分工督導。是。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:31:57.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:32:26.203000+08:00","text":"今天我看除了行政院的版本以外，其他有八個委員的提案，這是很難得的，在一個法案上面有包括院版，包括所有八個委員的提案，全部都一模一樣，一字不差啦，所以我想這就表示，事實上本院所有委員，對於海巡署要增設一位副署長有極高度的共識。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:32:26.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:33:13.208000+08:00","text":"最後一點點時間，我們重視增設副署長的需要，我想本院委員大家也都支持，銓敘部也支持，人總也支持，但是你們的基層人力，海巡署的基層人力，現在實在是大有問題啦，我看海巡署的預算員額，我這邊有一個表，預算員額逐年增加，從108年一直到114年，到去年7月來計算，你們的預算員額每年都增加，但是你們的缺額人數也是每年增加，增加的比例到現在，你們預算員額的缺額已經到一成了，超過10%的缺額。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:33:18.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:33:39.669000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，委員的資料可能是到114年，其實我們在114年的時候有加了三項加給，所以不管是我們招募的達成率，以前我們招募的達成率大概都是六成到七成，我們今年已經提升到八成多，將近九成。","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:33:40.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:33:47.596000+08:00","text":"留營率的部分，我們這次增加了7%，所以我們現在人員的增長是正成長，而不是負成長，這個特別跟……","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:33:47.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:33:48.657000+08:00","text":"去年增加那個加給之後，現在是快速成長？","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:33:48.657000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:33:49.657000+08:00","text":"是有影響。","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:33:48.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:33:50.418000+08:00","text":"好，去年成長的數據是不是能夠提供給本席？是。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:33:57.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:34:31.382000+08:00","text":"另外一部分，可能大家都關心艦艇的人力，我們艦艇的人力，人事總處會根據我們艦艇交船的期程，撥給我們更多的預算員額，所以在人力上面，像警察大學是四年，我們就預估再四年後的人力，所以我們再四年，警專則是兩年，我們就會預估要匡多少，所以人力部分，我們在警專跟警大每一年都是增加，請他們一年多增加招募200個畢業生。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:34:31.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:34:42.855000+08:00","text":"這個部分，因為剛剛副主委自己也有講到，我們的海巡署是非常特殊的，它是軍職、警職、文職併用的機關，軍職最多，文職人員還不到10%。是。","quality":0.782},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2026-04-22T09:34:42.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:35:02.252000+08:00","text":"文職人員很少，所以這樣子，有關於人才部分，也就是缺額補足的部分，就是兩大面向，希望副主委在未來要注意，一個就是人才招募部分，你們必須要加強，另外就是留才，你不要讓人留不住啦，大概就這兩件事情，這部分後續我會再來跟副主委討論，謝謝。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-22T09:35:02.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T09:35:02.432000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:35:02.932000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:35:13.503429+08:00","text":"謝謝沈發惠委員的詢答，每一位委員，跨黨派的版本都一樣，代表海委會國會組也非常成功。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T09:35:13.803429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T09:35:23.803429+08:00","text":"接下來我們有請我們最專業的翁曉玲召委，也請沈發惠委員來暫代主席位，拜託一下。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}