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有沒有這個技術這需要AI嗎"},{"start":827.247,"end":838.961,"text":"不需要嘛所以沒關係啦維持網路安全的環境我們一起由速發部做起所以部長您剛剛也同你承諾打炸通茶網何時可以完成改善"},{"start":839.813,"end":860.995,"text":"我們一直在改善那你如果說要定一個時間改善那是不是那個時間之後我就不改善了嗎不是吧我是持續在改善啊我一直要改善如果說定了一個期限反而變成說我那個期限之後我就要再持續改善您回憶一下您剛剛講的這句話您給全國的師生做了最壞的示範你叫我交作業"},{"start":862.416,"end":884.085,"text":"那我現在如果教我告訴你我什麼時候教了我以後就不用教作業了嗎我完全原話喔所以我們不要玩文字遊戲我們都當過學生也當過老師所以什麼時候可以提出嘛什麼時候可以我還尊重您耶什麼時候可以提出改善我每個月都要提出改善如果要的話那我剛剛提出的問題您也說不應該存在的問題什麼時候會改善"},{"start":890.714,"end":904.893,"text":"我想委員你也是AI的專家AI一定有False Positive跟False Negative的問題我剛剛講的不雅的文字不雅的不對的爛ID有問題的圖片色情的東西這個不用AI喔"},{"start":905.954,"end":932.498,"text":"對 但是我們這個量這麼大你知道我們委員我們每天接收到多少的量如果說每一件我們都是用人工去檢查的話那你這樣會累死我們的人而且會讓我們整個打詐的系統癱瘓掉所以我們為什麼要用AI就是為什麼要用自動化方式處理就是因為我們要避免我們的打詐的系統被人家癱瘓因為這個詐騙集團他們也知道這個事情事實上所有的犯罪都是會用這一招想辦法"},{"start":932.898,"end":947.561,"text":"部長 主席已經站起來了我們都是技術人Line ID可不可以用RECX來處理是對嘛 圖片有不雅的 有人臉的我可不可以打懵這需要什麼很高強的AI嗎"},{"start":949.468,"end":966.284,"text":"好 各位我們好不好所以我想部長我們互相尊重我們也尊重我們也尊重昭偉好不好您現在沒有辦法答應時間我再給您最後一句話的回覆有沒有辦法三個月內半年我們剛剛提了三個月內我們一定會有一些改善很好是好 謝謝我們謝謝部長永遠認識謝謝昭偉謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:04:30.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:04:38.666000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席今天安排電信管理法第三十六條的詢答，我們一起關心臺灣的國家通訊網路韌性問題。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:04:38.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:04:41.527000+08:00","text":"首先有請NCC陳代理主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:04:42.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:04:42.988000+08:00","text":"請陳代理主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-04-22T12:04:42.988000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:04:46.697500+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:04:46.697500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:04:50.407000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:04:50.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:05:27.575000+08:00","text":"本席先前曾在上個會期總質詢時關心行政院所屬各部會對於通訊韌性立場不一致的問題，直到目前為止，NCC主管的電信管理法第三十六條還是如您剛剛提到的，限制設置使用電信資源之公共電信網路者，其董事長要有中華民國國籍，設置使用電信資源業者的外國人直接持股總數不得超過49%，直接及間接持股總數不得超過60%，因此很多外國衛星公司無法直接向臺灣提供服務。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:05:27.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:05:41.947000+08:00","text":"我覺得文字要清楚，不要一下子說可以來、架個八層公司架構可能可以來，結果又要透過誰來等等繞兩圈、繞三圈，我覺得不該是這樣，因為各國都已經做給我們看了。","quality":0.746},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:05:42.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:05:45.849000+08:00","text":"我們是最需要網路的國家，我想大家都非常清楚啦！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:05:46.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:06:01.288000+08:00","text":"即便數發部一直提到強化國家數位韌性、通訊韌性為政策目標，但受限於這樣的法規，其實臺灣距離建構多元通訊網路真的還有很長的距離。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:06:01.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:06:08.273000+08:00","text":"我們今天從NCC審查報告看見一位英雄，本席感到非常欣慰，為什麼呢？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:06:08.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:06:20.620000+08:00","text":"因為感謝主委支持真正的通訊韌性強化與發展，在法律修正案草擬的過程當中，我們也不諱言多次跟NCC的業務單位溝通、得到很多建議。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:06:21.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:06:46.690000+08:00","text":"NCC在報告裡就提到，如果要放寬電信管理法第三十六條，對於設置使用電信資源之公眾電信網路者，其董事長國籍和外國人持股比例限制的放寬標準、放寬範圍應具體、明確，這一點本席完全同意，且本席的修法版本原本就是要賦予主管機關專案核准的權限，因為尊重專業。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:06:47.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:06:59.600000+08:00","text":"如果NCC要以子法明定董事長的國籍或外國人持股比例的放寬標準、放寬範圍或專案條件，本席表示支持。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:07:00.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:07:07.447000+08:00","text":"我要再次謝謝主委在任內勇於承擔，臺灣的國家通訊韌性真的要正面、積極！","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:07:08.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:07:14.454000+08:00","text":"主委請回，我是給您鼓勵，因為您展現了這樣的方向，我相信我們看得到出口。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:07:16.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:07:18.801000+08:00","text":"接下來請數發部林宜敬部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:07:27.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:07:27.706000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:07:27.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:07:28.226000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:07:28.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:07:40.573000+08:00","text":"本席聽了4月8日數發部業務報告的質詢，部長當時答復黃健豪召委質詢提到，對數發部、對政府來說，臺灣有愈多衛星通訊的選擇愈好。是。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:07:41.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:07:47.978000+08:00","text":"這點非常棒，對於部長的立場，本席相當認同，有愈多、愈大範圍的通訊愈好。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:07:48.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:18.024000+08:00","text":"即使用4G、5G，還是有山區搜救的問題、還是有偏鄉問題、還是有緊急狀況的問題，本席很認同您的整體概念，這其實也是本席和黃健豪召委個別提出電信管理法第三十六條修法的目的，臺灣真的地處很重要的戰略位置，若沒有網路，我們沒有辦法經營商業，沒有網路，無人機也很可能在緊急狀況下無法操控，我們沒有辦法理解前線戰事，維持國家的通訊韌性真的至關重要。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:18.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:27.309000+08:00","text":"那我就要問部長，正當現在、right at this moment，本席在質詢部長您的時候，部長知道在負責我們國家國際和國內通訊的25條海纜當中，有幾條是斷線或部分斷線的狀態嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:27.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:29.290000+08:00","text":"right at this moment？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:29.290000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:33.691000+08:00","text":"這可能要……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:33.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:35.732000+08:00","text":"網友都很關心，您應該要記在心中吧？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:36.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:39.233000+08:00","text":"我的腦子沒有連線internet啦！","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:39.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:39.893000+08:00","text":"所以可能要查app。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:40.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:42.674000+08:00","text":"我是不是可以請韌性司司長？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:42.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:48.896000+08:00","text":"好，那麼韌性司趕快回答，25條裡面，現在有幾條斷線或部分斷線？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"牛司長信仁","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:48.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:49.617000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:49.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:51.317000+08:00","text":"這應該是每天、每分鐘都要關心的嘛！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:51.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:53.278000+08:00","text":"編那麼多預算。是。多少？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"牛司長信仁","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:53.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:08:57.701000+08:00","text":"報告委員，基本上，國際海纜總共是15條，國內海纜是10條。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"牛司長信仁","start":"2026-04-22T12:08:59.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:08.567000+08:00","text":"依昨天我看到的資料，有7條海纜線故障，其中一個故障的地方很偏遠，在馬來西亞那一端，不在臺灣這一端，但我們還是統計出來。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:08.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:11.649000+08:00","text":"沒關係，斷網率多少趴？28%啦！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:12.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:14.971000+08:00","text":"其中斷線最久的是多少時間，你知道嗎？244天。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"牛司長信仁","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:16.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:19.354000+08:00","text":"報告委員，平均……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:19.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:19.954000+08:00","text":"沒關係啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:20.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:24.397000+08:00","text":"你不要再說我們的海纜怎麼樣，有28%海纜是有問題的！","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:25.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:28.779000+08:00","text":"你說有的很遠，我們沒辦法處理，沒關係，韌性很重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:30.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:42.706000+08:00","text":"國防部印製的小橘書就講了，大規模網路癱瘓、多數海纜遭破壞非常危險，而臺灣在非戰時期就已經有28%海纜網路斷網，那麼在緊急狀態下不是更可怕嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:42.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:45.827000+08:00","text":"我想數發部主責的通訊韌性不是要讓我們遇到這樣的狀況嘛！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:45.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:49.608000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，的確，我們非常關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:49.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:57.971000+08:00","text":"但是在28%故障中，所謂故障並不是全斷，因為每一條海纜裡面都有很多條芯……","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:09:58.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:09:59.831000+08:00","text":"不好意思，部長，我沒有提問啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:10:00.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:10:03.152000+08:00","text":"你不用在這裡替海纜全斷……那要怎麼處理？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:10:03.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:10:09.335000+08:00","text":"如果半斷、九十分斷、九十九分斷，我們都不要派船，那你們的預算要不要再重新討論一下？","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:10:09.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:10:11.116000+08:00","text":"不是文字遊戲，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:10:11.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:10:26.705000+08:00","text":"我們有共同意識，要把臺灣阻礙國際衛星業者提供服務的法規限制拿掉，讓臺灣的通訊更多元、更廣袤有其必要性，我是在找我們的共通性。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:10:26.705000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:10:27.885000+08:00","text":"文字上理解……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:10:27.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:10:29.026000+08:00","text":"非常同意，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:10:29.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:10:32.648000+08:00","text":"該給你時間，我們會給你時間，但本席時間很有限。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:10:33.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:10:49.179000+0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026-04-22T12:13:51.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:13:59.093000+08:00","text":"委員講得完全沒錯，就是因為AI模型判斷一定會有一些誤差，所以我們還是需要人工來判斷，這一點是我們都同意的。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:13:59.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:01.817000+08:00","text":"會做事的人找辦法，不會做事的人找理由。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:01.817000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:02.817000+08:00","text":"是，我就是在找辦法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:02.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:03.619000+08:00","text":"找理由的就會說AI有問題，我想不該是這樣。","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:03.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:06.161000+08:00","text":"完全同意，所以我們就是找辦法。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:06.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:06.582000+08:00","text":"部長，現在耐心處理。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:07.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:13.927000+08:00","text":"如果現在很多人都遇到這樣的問題且持續造成損失，我的朋友說不定都加入這些群組了啊！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:13.927000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:14.927000+08:00","text":"這是風險啊！","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:14.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:18.009000+08:00","text":"只要委員趕快回復這真的是詐騙，那就是馬上……","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:18.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:19.530000+08:00","text":"我已經報案了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:20.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:20.710000+08:00","text":"我已經報了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:20.710000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:21.710000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:20.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:21.471000+08:00","text":"什麼叫作「我回復」？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:22.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:24.092000+08:00","text":"您仔細說清楚，什麼叫作「我回復」？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:25.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:26.954000+08:00","text":"你們這個app還有額外的回復功能嗎？","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:29.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:33.500000+08:00","text":"有人報案以後，我們會跟當事人確認，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:33.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:38.021000+08:00","text":"如果是這樣的話，我們會後再把委員加入……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:38.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:42.902000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我先跟部長講，沒有什麼回不回復，所以這樣的AI要提升、這個服務要提升，好不好？","quality":0.649},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:44.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:44.962000+08:00","text":"完全同意，我也是這個意思。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:45.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:49.183000+08:00","text":"本席被創立假帳號的案件因為向數發部求助無效，只好自行向Meta檢舉。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:50.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:14:52.944000+08:00","text":"沒有無效，你現在向我求助，我馬上處理。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:14:53.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:00.787000+08:00","text":"我是國會議員，可以在這裡向你求助，但臺灣有千千百百萬個受害於這個問題的人怎麼辦？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:00.787000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:01.787000+08:00","text":"你還說你有回復？是啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:01.787000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:02.787000+08:00","text":"我完全同意，所以網詐通報查詢網要用AI的方式還有……","quality":0.043},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:01.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:02.008000+08:00","text":"可是在通報查詢網就被弄到屬於低風險！","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:02.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:04.390000+08:00","text":"不要再玩文字遊戲了，每一分、每一秒……三月份的詐騙金額是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:04.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:04.731000+08:00","text":"一個月詐騙金額是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:04.731000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:05.731000+08:00","text":"這要問內政部，因為……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:04.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:05.571000+08:00","text":"你有沒有刻在心裡嘛？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:19.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:22.179000+08:00","text":"有沒有刻在心裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:22.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:22.619000+08:00","text":"49億臺幣啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:24.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:29.161000+08:00","text":"相當於每一個月一點多隻獨角獸，所以不要在這裡玩文字遊戲。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:29.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:31.681000+08:00","text":"針對整個打詐，我們是有分工的，已經討論將近兩年了。對嘛！","quality":0.542},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:31.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:33.022000+08:00","text":"那有沒有改進？有啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:33.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:34.222000+08:00","text":"當然有改進啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:34.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:36.663000+08:00","text":"我在之前報告時就報告了。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:36.663000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:37.663000+08:00","text":"有改進，改出一個功能叫做AI判定低風險？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:36.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:55.452000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我再請教部長，您認為政府官網上是不是應該存在下列內容：色情文字與圖片、髒話、詐騙集團的LINE id、詐騙集團的廣告文字、民眾被盜的身分證字號、民眾的個資，這些應不應該出現？","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:55.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:15:56.373000+08:00","text":"不應該出現。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:15:57.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:10.594000+08:00","text":"但很遺憾，部長，我從第一天來到這裡就跟你講網詐通查網，要好好請部長通查一下，而這是網詐通查網的圖片，我不好意思念出來啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:11.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:13.375000+08:00","text":"你要不要念出來？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:13.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:15.356000+08:00","text":"網詐通查網是政府部門的官方網站喔！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:15.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:18.378000+08:00","text":"這是不是掛在moda的官網底下，是不是？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:19.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:20.225000+08:00","text":"部長回答是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:21.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:22.506000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告一下，的確之前……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:22.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:25.047000+08:00","text":"網詐通查網的網頁是不是掛在部會官網底下，是或不是？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:25.047000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:26.047000+08:00","text":"事實上，之前也有本委員會別的委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:25.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:25.428000+08:00","text":"是或不是？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:25.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:27.108000+08:00","text":"這是網詐通報查詢網的網頁內容沒有錯啊！對嘛！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:28.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:41.335000+08:00","text":"那你要不要……我們不要念字啦！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:41.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:42.155000+08:00","text":"這個字有點小。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:42.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:52.320000+08:00","text":"因為這個會期也有其他委員問我這個問題，就是為什麼我們不用這些訊息提醒民眾，讓民眾知道有這個風險，我們必須把這個風險……","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:52.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:16:58.604000+08:00","text":"不堪入目的文字我真的不好意思念出來，且字有點小，我就不念出來了，大家看網路直播啦！","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:16:59.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:04.365000+08:00","text":"詐騙集團的LINE id在官方網站上，對還是不對？","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:04.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:09.147000+08:00","text":"我們設置這個網頁的目的就是要告訴民眾這是不對的、這是詐騙。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:09.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:10.487000+08:00","text":"告訴民眾，那幹嘛秀出id？","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:12.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:14.809000+08:00","text":"我們就是要告訴人家這個id是有問題的啊！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:15.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:15.649000+08:00","text":"不然呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:18.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:19.190000+08:00","text":"我剛剛已經問您了嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:19.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:20.210000+08:00","text":"那好啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:21.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:25.792000+08:00","text":"把詐騙集團的廣告文字全部放上來，還有詐騙集團的資料。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:25.792000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:26.792000+08:00","text":"我們就是要提醒民眾說這是危險、這是不對的啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:26.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:27.713000+08:00","text":"好，那麼個資呢？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:28.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:30.396000+08:00","text":"假冒的民眾身分證與個資呢？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:32.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:42.008000+08:00","text":"所以真的不要再……我想，這些資料一模一樣，我還把個資都去除，但這些全部都在網詐通查網了。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:42.008000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:43.008000+08:00","text":"我想我們都有很強烈的意圖要改善這件事情。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:42.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:48.553000+08:00","text":"該打馬的圖片就打馬，該去除的文字內容就去除。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:48.553000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:50.334000+08:00","text":"該改善的事情，我們一定會改善。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:50.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:58.360000+08:00","text":"我已經講了，您剛剛也講了，我現在講的所有內容在一年前都提出過，模糊處理很難嗎？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:58.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:58.981000+08:00","text":"有沒有這個技術？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:17:58.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:17:59.221000+08:00","text":"這需要AI嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:02.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:02.708000+08:00","text":"不需要嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:03.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:03.949000+08:00","text":"沒關係啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:04.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:08.595000+08:00","text":"維持網路安全的環境，我們一起，由數發部做起。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:08.595000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:09.595000+08:00","text":"我當然同意、完全同意。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:09.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:13.941000+08:00","text":"部長，你承諾打詐通查網何時可以完成改善？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:14.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:21.200000+08:00","text":"我們一直在改善，如果說要定一個時間改善，是代表那個時間之後就不改善了嗎？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:21.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:21.340000+08:00","text":"不是嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:22.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:23.082000+08:00","text":"是持續改善啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:23.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:28.587000+08:00","text":"我們要一直改善，如果定了一個期限，反而變成在那個期限之後就不用再持續改善。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:28.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:35.414000+08:00","text":"部長，您回憶一下您剛剛講的這句話，您給全國師生做了最壞的示範。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:35.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:42.018000+08:00","text":"假設您叫我交作業，難道因為我交了或告訴你什麼時候交了，以後就不用交作業了嗎？","quality":0.657},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:42.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:43.018000+08:00","text":"我完全用原話喔！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:43.018000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:44.679000+08:00","text":"不是、沒有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:44.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:45.760000+08:00","text":"部長，我們不要玩文字遊戲。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:45.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:48.081000+08:00","text":"我們都當過學生、也當過老師，有這個禮拜的作業，有下個禮拜的作業……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:48.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:50.942000+08:00","text":"所以什麼時候可以提出？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:52.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:52.843000+08:00","text":"我還尊重您欸！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:53.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:54.823000+08:00","text":"問您什麼時候可以提出改善。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:55.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:57.384000+08:00","text":"我們每個月都在提出改善，如果要的話，那些問題就會改善。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:18:57.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:18:59.065000+08:00","text":"那麼對於我剛剛提的那些問題、您也說不應該存在的問題，什麼時候會改善？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:19:05.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:19:11.221000+08:00","text":"我想委員也是AI專家，AI一定有false positive跟false negative的問題，而我們一定會……","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:19:11.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:19:19.873000+08:00","text":"但我剛剛講的不雅文字、不對的LINE id、有問題的圖片、色情的東西，處理這些不用AI喔！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:19:20.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:19:26.059000+08:00","text":"對，但量這麼大，委員，你知道我們每天接收到多少量？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:19:26.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:19:33.425000+08:00","text":"如果每一件都要用人工檢查，這樣會累死我們的人，而且會讓整個打詐系統癱瘓掉。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:19:34.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:19:37.829000+08:00","text":"我們為什麼要用AI、為什麼要用自動化方式處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:19:38.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:19:44.355000+08:00","text":"就是要避免我們的打詐系統被人癱瘓，因為詐騙集團也知道這件事。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:19:44.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:19:47.478000+08:00","text":"事實上，所有犯罪都會用這一招，想辦法癱瘓我們的……","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:19:47.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:19:49.300000+08:00","text":"部長，主席已經站起來了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:19:49.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:19:55.630000+08:00","text":"我們都是技術人，LINE id可不可以用Regex處理？是。對嘛！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:19:56.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:19:59.957000+08:00","text":"圖片若是不雅、有人臉，可不可以打馬？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:00.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:02.561000+08:00","text":"這需要什麼很高強的AI嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:02.561000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:04.825500+08:00","text":"好，葛委員……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:04.825500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:07.090000+08:00","text":"AI愈高強當然愈準啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:07.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:11.234000+08:00","text":"部長，我們互相尊重，也尊重召委，好不好？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:11.234000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:12.234000+08:00","text":"我們都是技術人嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:11.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:14.858000+08:00","text":"您現在沒辦法答應時間，那我再給您回復最後一句話，有沒有辦法？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:15.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:16.319000+08:00","text":"3個月內？半年？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:18.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:19.702000+08:00","text":"沒有問題，我們一定會有一些改善。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:19.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:21.244000+08:00","text":"3個月內，好，很好，謝謝部長勇於任事。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:21.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:21.264000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:21.764000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:25.478286+08:00","text":"謝謝葛委員的發言，也謝謝部長。","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:20:25.778286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:20:28.921143+08:00","text":"接下來請楊瓊瓔委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}