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只要是地方政府認了我們都認所以我們再跟地方政府來做溝通專責單位能不能有一個窗口給我們原住民地區"},{"start":307.41,"end":333.82,"text":"跟委員報告大概我們在屏東區有新成立的一個區處那我們有在各鄉鎮裡面雖然不是每個鄉鎮都有一個服務所不過我們大概如果原住民區地區如果有這個需求的話我們盡量請我們的服務單位然後盡量跟當地的代表或民意代表或是村里長來做一些聯繫來協助他們OK好謝謝好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:28:14.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:28:14.309000+08:00","text":"主席，有請部長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:28:14.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:28:14.489000+08:00","text":"請龔部長。謝謝。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T12:28:14.489000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:28:24.066000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:28:24.066000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:28:33.643000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:28:33.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:28:35.204000+08:00","text":"今天就自來水的問題就教。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:28:36.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:28:50.432000+08:00","text":"剛剛看了延續性計畫，看到114年度可用的預算數是197億，可是到7月底累計實現數僅55億4,615萬元，實現率是28.14%，我想問是不是執行率太差？","quality":0.472},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:28:51.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:29:09.122000+08:00","text":"第二，全國的自來水普及率已經到95.55%，可是看到我們原住民地區，比如說，屏東縣還在72%，臺東縣83%、苗栗87%、南投81%，也就是都集中在我們原住民居住的地區，所以對我們原住民地區是相對的不公平。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:29:09.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:29:14.806000+08:00","text":"而且我們是每天看好山好水的人，可是我們的自來水普及率卻遠遠不如全國各地。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:29:15.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:29:32.094000+08:00","text":"然後現在還有看到前瞻計畫的預計改善戶數是7,000戶，可是實際的改善戶數是1,367戶，也就是說不到五分之一，不到20%，我想知道目前自來水公司或經濟部這邊有沒有什麼改善方案？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:29:32.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:29:39.778000+08:00","text":"或者是可以說服我們原住民民族在廣大的山原生活，什麼時候可以期盼到好的水？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T12:29:40.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:29:42.019000+08:00","text":"我請水公司說明一下。OK。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李董事長嘉榮","start":"2026-04-22T12:29:44.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:29:46.668000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的指導。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李董事長嘉榮","start":"2026-04-22T12:29:46.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:30:13.860000+08:00","text":"有關山地原住民或平地原住民地區的自來水，其實以我們自來水公司計算普及率，還有一部分是用簡易自來水，像山地原住民，依我們自己的統計，雖然我們自來水公司的普及率只有38%左右，不過再加計簡易自來水的話，這些山地原住民區普及率大概都有達到76%。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"李董事長嘉榮","start":"2026-04-22T12:30:13.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:30:22.362000+08:00","text":"那平地原住民的部分，依我們水公司的統計，普及率已經有88%，再加一些簡水的部分，至少有92%左右。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:30:23.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:30:30.743000+08:00","text":"看到這麼多金額還沒有執行的部分，我是希望能夠儘快讓它的普及率能夠更高，然後讓執行率能夠更高。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:30:30.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:30:43.269000+08:00","text":"第二就是自來水的檢測，像你剛剛說的簡易自來水，有些地方的檢測，有的是半年、一年，可是在汛期的時候，會發現他們的水確實是不堪使用，所以這個……","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T12:30:44.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:30:53.497000+08:00","text":"我們會加強簡易自來水的強化，讓水質比過去還要更好，這個是我們可以來強化的部分。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:30:53.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:31:39.015000+08:00","text":"那我們在地方有一些問題來提供給部長參考，明明我們是在水源地的地方，比如說，我是住在瑪家鄉，我們的水源是可以提供給都會區，比如說屏東市等鄰近的平地部落、平地的鄉鎮，甚至遠到鳳山，可是我們沒有服務據點，也就是說，在我們地區生活的民眾，如果他要申請自來水的話，他一定要到都會區，也就是說他要花很多的時間，然後我們瑪家、霧臺、三地這三個地方，除了沒有服務據點以外，比如說，當地民眾要繳費，比如說，不是一般的費用，而是工程費用，他並不能到7-11繳，也不能到一般的郵局繳，他一定要到公司去繳。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:31:39.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:31:43.898000+08:00","text":"我們明明是提供水源的人，可是我們享受不到這樣的服務。","quality":1},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:31:43.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:31:56.107000+08:00","text":"第三，我們希望有一個回饋機制，我們已經供應這麼多年的水給都會區，可是卻沒有一般的回饋給我們原住民部落，我覺得這個部分應該經濟部這邊也要思考。","quality":1},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:31:57.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:32:36.546000+08:00","text":"最後一個就是門牌取得困難，申請自來水要有門牌，可是門牌的取得常常要族人自己去弄，然後其實沒有一個專責的單位在負責做這件事情，比如說，國有地要變更，或者是因為居住地的範圍擴大，要延管的時候，其實很多基礎的事情都是要勞駕鄉公所，可是鄉公所沒有這樣的編制跟人力去做多餘的事情，我覺得自來水公司應該可能要再編制一個專責的單位，協助我們原鄉地區設置自來水的工作。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T12:32:39.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:32:58.626000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個分成幾個部分，剛剛提到的簡易自來水的部分，因為我們是補助給地方政府來做，但是我們也會要求，在水質的部分或剛剛您提到的加強檢驗的部分，我們既然補助給地方政府，我們就會要求地方政府這個部分要更積極地來落實，這是一個部分。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T12:32:59.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:33:13.842000+08:00","text":"剛剛提到的有關於需不需要門牌等等，事實上我們現在都從寬認定，只要是地方政府認的我們都認，所以我們再跟地方政府來溝通。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:33:16.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:33:16.283000+08:00","text":"專責單位呢？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:33:16.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:33:19.084000+08:00","text":"能不能有一個窗口給我們原住民地區？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李董事長嘉榮","start":"2026-04-22T12:33:21.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:33:47.520000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們在屏東區有新成立一個區處，我們雖然不是在每個鄉鎮都有服務所，不過如果原住民地區有這個需求的話，我們會儘量請我們的服務單位跟當地的民意代表、村里長做一些聯繫來協助他們。OK。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-04-22T12:33:47.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:33:47.800000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:33:48.300000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:33:50.300000+08:00","text":"謝謝盧縣一委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:33:50.600000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:33:51.742857+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:33:52.042857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:33:56.042857+08:00","text":"好，接下來，我們請洪孟楷委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}