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謝謝就是方便我來做追蹤那第二個部分因為原鄉一定都很關心水那這個地方我們也看到政府有所謂的供水韌性要來解決"},{"start":259.485,"end":271.835,"text":"但是我看到的是預計要投入數十億要去處理這個降低漏水的問題高預算高韌性希望供水穩定可是在我們原鄉我們還是會受困於很多地方他不太願意申請自來水"},{"start":277.819,"end":299.753,"text":"那或者是他受困於目前的簡易自來水系統很老舊而且我們的問題很麻煩因為我們的水源取水口往往都是非常遠的一個距離所以感覺這一些杯水車薪就是預算很匱乏然後遇到颱風遇到山豬等等他就會斷水非常的辛苦"},{"start":300.714,"end":328.501,"text":"那我在這邊就是想要知道說我們有沒有辦法多撥一點經費到這個地方請教一下報告委員這個檢疫自來水部分在我們最新的第五級計畫裡面就檢疫自來水如何加強它的韌性跟它的水質我們多增補很多經費尤其它的一個配水池的天數以前一到兩天現在都希望做到三到五天"},{"start":329.201,"end":338.129,"text":"第二個所有的管線我們希望用好一點的管材還有你剛剛談到的容易因為驅衰點受到一些野生動物或是天災的影響我們都加強更多的經費來做相關的保護工作我就是因為我們很多街道的陳情他們都會提到要換管換管但是有八年的"},{"start":350.74,"end":371.812,"text":"可以突破嗎這個我們都可以突破而且我們特別跟委員報告我們就這個檢疫自來水的水質的部分從去年開始我們已經投入很多經費來做整體改善包含用紫外線或者是用砂濾池或者是加一些濾氣消毒等等還有RO逆滲透我們都大幅來改進"},{"start":372.512,"end":388.157,"text":"我想了解因為我光是自己的部落我每天看那個群組我都快要昏倒了他們說有那麼困難嗎我自己也覺得不好意思所以我希望如果會後有機會再跟各位討論但是我更重視的應該部長很了解因為我總質詢多次都關心我們部落很缺排水系統"},{"start":395.7,"end":422.548,"text":"它會造成什麼嚴重後果一大雨一颱風因為它沒有排水系統它就地下浸流所以很多地方就會掏空所以這個部分非常的嚴重所以我希望是說我們看到115年度水資源防洪公務預算是508億這樣的一個供水跟排水的一個水利的大餅我也希望有沒有辦法去保障一下原鄉的分配權"},{"start":425.207,"end":436.18,"text":"報告委員你所談的部份應該都是在山區那山區一般都是農業部的一個權責那我們現在在行政院的所以流域他水的流域上游是農業部"},{"start":441.446,"end":461.484,"text":"對我講的是部落排水我們很多部落都沒有排水系統我們是想說我們在現在所以留意的一個大的平台裡面在行政院的平台裡面我們可以提案來就這個部分來努力我希望也可以到辦公室我可以講得更清楚因為還有時間那最後再給我半分鐘就是我有接到一個陳情花蓮"},{"start":462.645,"end":467.207,"text":"安通溫泉泡腳池封閉的一個陳情那因為地方的公民運動他們想要恢復但是我個人我也認為因為他是野蜥因為行水區的問題我覺得封閉我覺得也是對的因為對縣政府或者是鄉公所來講其實壓力啊圍管啊安全啊因為不合法也都很沉重但是我想請教一個簡單的問題因為這個安通溫泉的泡腳池他其實已經"},{"start":493.562,"end":505.391,"text":"營運30多年所以我認為這個行水區應該是可以檢討的因為他營運30多年都沒有問題那我不曉得說這個我們經濟部或水利署意見如何"},{"start":507.74,"end":519.595,"text":"委員 這個是我第一次看到了那是不是會後我再來瞭解這個我們有沒有辦法來怎麼樣是 因為這是地方公民運動是 是 我們來瞭解一下好不好請隨意署 好不好 就瞭解一下謝謝主席 謝謝部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:44:40.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:44:42.543000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:44:43.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:44:46.007000+08:00","text":"我關切的議題有水利署、地礦中心。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:44:47.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:44:48.830000+08:00","text":"有請龔部長、水利署，還有地礦中心。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T12:44:48.830000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:44:50.743000+08:00","text":"伍委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:44:50.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:44:51.083000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:47:34.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:47:40.982000+08:00","text":"我在這邊就是希望，要針對沒有依法辦理、遵照原基法第二十一條諮商同意的這些礦產，你們要啟動具體的裁處跟停止開發的機制，拒絕這種假同意。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:47:41.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:47:41.343000+08:00","text":"這個部分你們可以做到嗎？可以。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"徐主任銘宏","start":"2026-04-22T12:47:53.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:48:04.178000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們每個月都會函詢當地的鄉鎮市公所，對於辦理中的有沒有延宕，我們都有查詢。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"徐主任銘宏","start":"2026-04-22T12:48:04.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:48:05.259000+08:00","text":"目前沒有這種情形。好。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:48:06.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:48:23.944000+08:00","text":"我希望經濟部跟原民會合作，針對這些礦業業者，就原住民諮商同意所做出的這些承諾，我再一次強調，其實承諾有很多，不是發放現金就了事，希望能夠有一個管考追蹤。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:48:24.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:48:33.387000+08:00","text":"我也希望能夠給我一些那個時候他們針對每一個地方有關部落所做出的承諾紀錄，我可以拿到這個資料嗎？可以。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:48:36.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:48:37.108000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:48:37.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:48:39.251000+08:00","text":"就是方便我來做追蹤。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:48:39.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:48:49.604000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，因為原鄉一定都很關心水，我們也看到政府有所謂的供水韌性要來解決。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:48:51.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:49:00.172000+08:00","text":"我看到的是預計要投入數十億元，要去處理降低漏水的問題，高預算、高韌性，希望供水穩定。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:49:00.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:49:14.083000+08:00","text":"可是在我們原鄉還是會受困於很多地方不太願意申請自來水，或者是受困於目前的簡易自來水系統很老舊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:49:14.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:49:30.733000+08:00","text":"而且我們的問題很麻煩，因為我們的水源取水口往往都是非常遠的距離，所以感覺杯水車薪，就是預算很匱乏，然後遇到颱風、遇到山豬等等就會斷水，非常地辛苦。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:49:32.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:49:38.756000+08:00","text":"我在這邊就是想要知道，我們有沒有辦法多撥一點經費到這個地方？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:49:39.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:49:39.696000+08:00","text":"請教一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:49:40.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:49:53.559000+08:00","text":"報告委員，在我們最新的第5期計畫裡面，就簡易自來水如何加強它的韌性跟它的水質，我們多增補很多經費。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:49:53.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:49:59.481000+08:00","text":"尤其是配水池的天數，以前是1到2天，現在都希望做到3到5天。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:00.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:03.004000+08:00","text":"第二個，所有的管線我們希望用好一點的管材。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:03.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:07.348000+08:00","text":"還有你剛剛談到的，容易因為取水點受到一些野生動物或是天災的影響，我們都加強更多的經費來做相關的保護工作。好。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:07.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:08.228000+08:00","text":"因為我們接到很多的陳情，他們都會提到要換管……有。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:08.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:22.581000+08:00","text":"但是有8年的限制，可以突破嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:22.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:23.361000+08:00","text":"這個我們都可以突破。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:23.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:41.411000+08:00","text":"而且特別跟委員報告，我們就簡易自來水的水質部分，從去年開始，我們已經投入很多經費來做整體改善，包含用紫外線或者是用砂濾池，或者是加一些氯氣消毒等等，還有RO逆滲透。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:42.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:42.812000+08:00","text":"我們都大幅來改進，謝謝。好。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:43.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:49.194000+08:00","text":"我想了解，因為光是我自己的部落，我每天看那個群組，我都快要昏倒了！","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:51.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:52.895000+08:00","text":"他們說：有那麼困難嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:52.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:54.216000+08:00","text":"我自己也覺得不好意思。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:54.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:57.397000+08:00","text":"所以我希望如果會後有機會，再跟各位討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:57.397000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:50:58.397000+08:00","text":"沒問題，我們來努力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:50:57.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:51:08.280000+08:00","text":"但是我更重視的應該部長很了解，因為我總質詢多次都關心，我們部落很缺排水系統，它會造成什麼嚴重後果？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:51:08.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:51:18.463000+08:00","text":"一大雨、一颱風，因為它沒有排水系統，它就地下逕流，所以很多地方就會淘空，這個部分非常地嚴重。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:51:20.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:51:33.548000+08:00","text":"我們看到115年度水資源與防洪公務預算是508億元，這樣的一個供水跟排水的水力大餅，我也希望有沒有辦法去保障一下原鄉的分配權？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:51:36.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:51:40.472000+08:00","text":"報告委員，你所談的部分應該都是在山區的部分……是！","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:51:40.472000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:51:41.472000+08:00","text":"它就會淘空！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:51:41.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:51:46.439000+08:00","text":"山區的部分是農業部的權責，那我們現在在行政院的水流域……","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:51:46.439000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:51:47.439000+08:00","text":"我們部落裡面不是農業部吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-22T12:51:46.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:51:47.160000+08:00","text":"水的流域在上游是農業部，我們是中游。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:51:52.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:51:56.129000+08:00","text":"我講的是部落排水，我們很多部落都沒有排水系統。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:51:56.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:52:04.197000+08:00","text":"我們是想說，我們現在在行政院水及流域這個大的平臺裡面，我們可以提案來就這個部分來努力。好。","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:52:04.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:52:07.760000+08:00","text":"礙於時間，我希望也可以到辦公室，我可以講得更清楚。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:52:07.760000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:52:09.201000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:52:09.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:52:10.682000+08:00","text":"最後再給我半分鐘。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:52:11.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:52:15.006000+08:00","text":"我有接到一個花蓮安通溫泉泡腳池封閉的陳情，地方的公民運動他們想要恢復。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:52:15.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:52:16.306000+08:00","text":"但是我個人也認為，它是野溪，因為行水區的問題，我覺得封閉也是對的。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:52:16.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:52:17.547000+08:00","text":"對縣政府或者是鄉公所來講，因為不合法，其實維管、安全的壓力也都很沉重。","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:52:17.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:52:17.827000+08:00","text":"但是我想請教一個簡單的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:52:17.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:52:49.526000+08:00","text":"因為安通溫泉的泡腳池其實已經營運三十多年了，所以我認為這個行水區應該是可以檢討的。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:52:50.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:52:56.371000+08:00","text":"它營運三十多年都沒有問題，那我不曉得經濟部或水利署的意見如何？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:52:58.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:53:00.162000+08:00","text":"委員，這個是我第一次看到。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:53:01.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:53:05.148000+08:00","text":"是不是會後我再來了解這個我們有沒有辦法來怎麼樣提供協助？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:53:05.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:53:06.850000+08:00","text":"因為這是地方公民運動。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-04-22T12:53:06.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:53:08.873000+08:00","text":"是，我們來了解一下，好不好？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:53:09.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:53:10.475000+08:00","text":"請水利署去了解一下。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-22T12:53:10.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-22T12:53:10.595000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主席，謝謝部長。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:53:11.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:53:13.095000+08:00","text":"謝謝伍麗華委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-22T12:53:13.395000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-22T12:53:17.109286+08:00","text":"接下來我們請陳冠廷委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}