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句話有沒有怪怪的很怪好那其實你們的報告是有去解釋理由是說災害的屬性屬於導致氣候變遷危害的因素而非可進行調適操作的系統"},{"start":403.886,"end":423.139,"text":"那當然這樣看起來我們整個看起來就是說理由好像這個整個因果是很不明確的那變成說你們的認定是因為災害來導致氣候變遷而產生危害也就是先有了災害才會產生氣候變遷造成的危害而不是氣候變遷調適的不好會產生災害"},{"start":426.961,"end":451.197,"text":"我想這些都在說明在你們寫的這個報告的第36頁裡面你們可以再回頭去看那我想就是說一般的行動計畫是根據這個政策綱領來規劃的那你們這樣子的處理我不曉得是你們想要打臉國發會呢還是要搞混立法委員呢還是說你要搞亂這個國家呢"},{"start":453.754,"end":477.063,"text":"這個我們回去再檢討一下就是說這個到明年開始的新的一期我們會用新的觀念來做處理因為其實過去像我舉例例如說我們現在的TCCIP我們負責調試最重要的單位叫TCCIP就是負責很多的科學數據現在也在國家災害防救科技中心裡面那未來我們就希望說以環境部如果主管調試的話"},{"start":478.924,"end":506.806,"text":"應該在我們下面有一個調試的結合政策還有操作的一個協作的一個平台來服務大家目前我們沒有那個單位那我們本部我們的只有一個調試組下面也只有一個科專門來做這個事所以我們發現這個人力各方面都很混雜所以我們需要一個整合所以未來我們期待在新的一個明年開始的計畫或是說我們如果成立一個行政法人的話這個部分把它釐定的更清楚一點"},{"start":507.756,"end":511.719,"text":"這本行動計畫雖然合定的時候校對的時候部長還沒有上任看起來可能也"},{"start":527.489,"end":548.124,"text":"就說那個時候應該也不是你該負責的啦但是你現在當部長我覺得你要不要你們也可以回頭去看一下搞不好這個錯誤還不只這樣啊是是那所以那個之前你們那個你們署裡面同仁在在校對可能我不曉得發生什麼事那因為就是有這樣子邏輯的問題啊"},{"start":551.266,"end":573.1,"text":"就是說你講這個能力架構的這個成效因為平常其實很難檢驗一定是災害發生的時候才可以證明所以那你們如果再加上說因為有這個邏輯錯置的問題所以以這個馬灘煙色湖的這個一流的災害為例很多預算可能都提早給了地方政府了"},{"start":573.78,"end":596.37,"text":"那到災害真的發生的時候預算可能也流用了或者執行面就是說看不到成效而且屆時中央可能也沒有經費了到最後搞不好還得借助這個民間的力量來救災所以我想這個部分我們環境部也應該要藉由這個馬太安的這個災害的事故來檢討說我們這樣子的調整"},{"start":599.691,"end":616.969,"text":"是不是妥適可以好好想一想因為下一期的行動計畫明年116年會是新的開始那部長再麻煩你要就是說你們在審慎評估這個災害呢在這個氣候變遷的這個調適的定位到底是要"},{"start":617.93,"end":646.249,"text":"怎麼樣處理可以可以我們來處理這件事情好那我最後要跟布朗討論一個健康領域的問題我想我們台灣呢處於這個亞熱帶那面對這個氣候變遷的調適主要還是高溫所造成的這個熱危害那在這份報告裡面呢你們有擬定了一個目標第一項是確保氣候變遷下的環境品質你們對於這個熱的唯一品質指標是溫度"},{"start":649.051,"end":668.091,"text":"我們再看看你們的策略就是結合健康的資訊宣導民眾高溫的熱危害我想部長您剛好是氣象專家一定知道氣象局的監測站大部分都是在比較高的山上"},{"start":668.772,"end":692.854,"text":"那所以監測到的氣溫如果要對應到在平面民眾實際的生活領域可能會有低估的問題所以國外其實現在很多是用這個HIT 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